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Offlineupupup
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Soul goes on or are we just worm food?
    #1078087 - 11/22/02 11:26 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I am just wondering how many of you shroomites think that the your souls continue on in some way or if you just think we die and that's it.

Me personally? Worm food. I hate the idea really but it's about all I am able to....be real w/myself about. I really would rather go on as I kinda like myself at times and would like to explore the universe more but....

I see people die all the time because of the nature of my "job". It is a very real thing for me. It trips me out to watch people realize that they have days to live. I can promise you this, none of them have ever said "Damn, I wish I had made more money"


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OfflineMurex
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: upupup]
    #1078104 - 11/22/02 11:32 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Continue on, into the 4th dimension.

Our bodies will of course, become worm food.  :wink:


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?



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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: upupup]
    #1078119 - 11/22/02 11:36 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Any answer anyone gives you can never be proven right or wrong.  Therefore, most people simply come up with the answer that puts their mind at ease the most and present that as fact.  I think you're being realistic.  Why would we continue on after death?  Just because we hope we do?  That alone probably isn't enough to get us there.  :frown: 


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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1078128 - 11/22/02 11:40 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Opinions, yes opinions, That is what I am after here...


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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: upupup]
    #1078131 - 11/22/02 11:41 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I don't believe in souls.


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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: xnevermore]
    #1078136 - 11/22/02 11:43 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know about souls either but I saw this woman die one time and things got pretty crazy. I felt this swirling about the room best described as a "cosmic tornado". THis went on for 15 seconds or so then came together and shot straight up and was gone. I am not into airy fairy and do not believe in ghosts and such but I did feel this. One remarkable thing about it is that it is a very similar feeling to when a baby is born...


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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: upupup]
    #1078137 - 11/22/02 11:45 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

There is only one soul, and that is love... and that goes on eternally.  :smile:

Thats my opinion. 


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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: upupup]
    #1078141 - 11/22/02 11:48 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

It's the opposite for me...
I can't imagine how we don't become pure energy... light and sound..
That seems normal to me.. and the thought of our 'souls' dying along with our bodies seems crazy and far-fetched


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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: upupup]
    #1078177 - 11/23/02 12:04 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

You see people die all the time (sorry to hear that), but how often do you observe this "swirling"?  And what do you mean when you say it is a very similar feeling to when a baby is born?  I've never known people to notice this type of thing at birth.

Think about this for a moment: you wanted fellow shroomers to give you an honest opinion on the soul.  When the 1st two out of three happened to say "no soul", then you took it upon yourself to make a suggestive argument that there was.  Did you really want people's opinions, or were you hoping for reassurance that we're not worm food?  :wink: 


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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Grav]
    #1078180 - 11/23/02 12:07 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

"the thought of our 'souls' dying along with our bodies seems crazy and far-fetched"

I think most of us argued that there is no soul to begin with!


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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Grav]
    #1078187 - 11/23/02 12:10 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Yea i gotta stick with Grav on this one!!  Since ive been studying KungFu I've been doing Tai Chi and have learned an alot about CHI or Qi, the ENERGY which we produce.  I've seen increadable feats, which could only be explainable through the cultivation and harnessing of this energy.. I have NEVER believed in souls or spirits UNTIL i began my martial arts. 
      NOW It only makes sense for us to have this energy if it came initally from a larger source...It has to go somewhere when we die right? (energy neither created nor destroyed) I couldn't tell you how or what this all means but im POSSITIVE we are mearly human-mobiles to be used and discarded, as our pure energy continues on...remains to  be seen i guess  :confused: 


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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1078191 - 11/23/02 12:13 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I was making no suggestive arguments. The story I related was only that. I still don't know what to make of it. I am inclined to think that it was just my head seeing someone die for the first time.

Fat- I too understand the chi thing as I have studied oriental medicine. I also agree that energy just changes form. What I am asking though is if the us we are continues on w/conciousness or is that energy just dispersed back into the universe?

About birth. It was not that swirling thing so much as an energetic thing. THe energy present in the room is very similar. I have been at the birth of 7 live human births now and sort of have an idea of how it is. 4 were my own children and 2 of them I delivered.

I truly want only opinions. In fact, I feel better knowing that I am not the only one who is viewing things from the "worm food" stand point. It is a sucky position and I do wish I believed something else as I am so attatched to my ego....


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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: FatNug]
    #1078196 - 11/23/02 12:15 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I guess you could call this energy the soul, but science often calls it adrenaline.


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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: upupup]
    #1078201 - 11/23/02 12:18 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Fair enough.  I was just throwing something out for you to think about.  :smirk: 


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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1078206 - 11/23/02 12:21 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

HuH? Adrenaline?

The only difference between a dead person and a live person scientifically is the lack of measurable energy such as what would manifest on an ECG or EKG. Once the juice quits flowing the little needles quite moving. I work in a very intense and emergency health care setting and when I trip I can't help but deal w/all the human pain I witness. People quit with the small talk when they know they have days left.


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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: upupup]
    #1078212 - 11/23/02 12:25 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

"HuH? Adrenaline?"

The adrenaline comment was in reply to fatnug's post.  :cool: 


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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1078226 - 11/23/02 12:38 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

yes, but from what i've learned adrenaline only seems to hinder the chi.  nervousness, doubt, lack of concentration, all seem to have negative effects.  Adrenaline is a chemical substance...I've seen healings take place through touch, i've seen and experienced personally the focusing of chi to the point sharp objects WILL NOT pierce the skin.  where a man has lain himself shirtlesson top of a sharp spear, his full body weight with no pain or penetration.  I've broken multipule blocks of stone using an iron palm technique, when i could not break half as many when nervous, or overly amped up.  no adrenaline is mearly a drug such as serotonin. there is much more going on in there than we can imagine my frined  :tongue: 


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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: FatNug]
    #1078286 - 11/23/02 01:08 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Here's an intersting article on the subject:

http://skepdic.com/chikung.html

I'm sure you could find an article that says the opposite, but the main point of the article is that Chi has not yet been proven by a controlled scientific test.


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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: FatNug]
    #1078323 - 11/23/02 01:19 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I've seen increadable feats, which could only be explainable through the cultivation and harnessing of this energy.

Only explainable by YOU as chi. There is a big difference.

Years of intense PHYSICAL training is necessary to accomplish these feats and are no more nor less amazing than an Olympic gymnast doing a triple somersault fly-away. On the racquetball court, I can hit the ball 120 mph to a target within a 0.5 inch from 35 foot away. Magic or training? To the novice this seems totally impossible.

Notice that no one accesses chi strictly through mental training.


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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Swami]
    #1078536 - 11/23/02 03:20 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

again comparing apples to oranges...swami what does A have to do with B man for god's sake man,you are truly dense!! im not talking about atheletic abitity here, TENNIS IS NOT QI GONG there is clearly something happening when sharp objects do not pierce flesh. my sifu has healed myself as well as a few other students on various occasions. After a car accident, i had BAD swelling in my elbow, a few days later the swelling was getting worse. My sifu did about a 20-30 minute session with me and the swelling was gone in 2-3 days (as opposed to weeks) the pain nearly left immediatly...i've seen this in various forms on various occasions. Just because the all omipotent Swami has trouble grasping a certain subject, makes it no less real.
I have no idea what life exists on the ocean floor, but none the less...there is still life there..


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