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Chespirito
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I wonder if you people could pass a blind taste testing
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Andre Nickatina
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Study didn't test micro nutrients, says nothing about pesticide residue and is probably funded by the factory farms. Ontop of that this study means absolutey nothing to people who buy soley from the farmers market, nothing compares to fresh food that you know has been grown chemical free.
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I never bought organic food for its proposed nutrient superiority. I buy them because of flavor, and yes I can tell the difference between a conventional peach and an organic one by taste. And you know, most things grown by local farmers out here in VA are organic but most of them cannot afford the ridiculous fees associated with getting their land and products certified by the OAI. It's also nice to know that what your buying has been genetically modified or grown with pesticides. Most of the produce in this country is geared towards long distance travel stability, and mass quantity output per acre.
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Chespirito said: I wonder if you people could pass a blind taste testing
It's been done. People consistently prefer the taste of organic over non-organic food.
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Chespirito
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Alright, Ill give it a go at some point. My roommate used to buy all organic and frankly I never noticed a difference. Im going to put this one under the power of suggestion, however ill wait for final judgment until I get the ball rolling on this test.
As for micronutrients, dont make me fucking laugh
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Chespirito said: Alright, Ill give it a go at some point. My roommate used to buy all organic and frankly I never noticed a difference. Im going to put this one under the power of suggestion, however ill wait for final judgment until I get the ball rolling on this test.
It's more noticeable in some foods than others, but I dare you to try organic milk alongside regular milk and tell me you don't notice a difference. Same goes for eggs.
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A problem I have with alot of organic proponents is the obvious blind faith aspect of it. Its seems to stem from a sort of nature worship. They believe that every food is better if it conforms to their arbitrary criteria of 'organic'. Such blanket statements are rarely true. Im sure sometimes organic is more healthy, sustainable and tasty and sometimes its not. Its not reasonable to just make a blanket statement based off of a few examples. Each farming technique should be investigated on its own and judged according, regardless of if it's organic or not.
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Blind faith is a problem with a lot of movements, including movements I support. One problem with what the organic movement has become is that the USDA continues to lower the standards of what counts as organic. Another is that many so-called organic farmers have lost touch with the permaculture roots of the movement. Part of the original idea of organic agriculture was that the farm would produce everything it needed to sustain itself -- essentially the idea behind permaculture. Instead, many "organic" farmers are more than happy to import products for their farm, so long as they're all "natural."
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Part of the original idea of organic agriculture was that the farm would produce everything it needed to sustain itself -- essentially the idea behind permaculture.
See to me that just seems like anti-trade, isolationist politics disguised as environmentalism and health. The organic movement is so confounded with other unrelated political ideology it losses me.
If in the case studies show a particular non-organic technique is bad Ill accept that. If in the case some study shows an organic technique is better Ill accept that. If the opposite is shown, Ill go with that info. I see no reason to extrapolate beyond individual studies.
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Andre Nickatina
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As for micronutrients, dont make me fucking laugh
Laugh about what??
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Silversoul said: Blind faith is a problem with a lot of movements
This is why you shouldn't buy just organic but you should buy local from the farmers market and ask the farmer how they run there farm. At the santa monica farmers market they actually have a notebook that explains how each stands farm works (what fertilizer they use, how they controll pest etc. ). The stuff from the store you have no idea how old it is, where it came from, how it was grown etc. its also usually about double the price at the store and the produce doesn't even compare in taste. Buy local! 
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If in the case studies show a particular non-organic technique is bad Ill accept that. If in the case some study shows an organic technique is better Ill accept that. If the opposite is shown, Ill go with that info. I see no reason to extrapolate beyond individual studies.
Chemical fertilizers and pesticides will never ever compare to green compost, beneficial bacteria ad smart planting. The only reason they use that bullshit is because people are lazy fucks
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Existence said: I don't like the antibiotics and hormones in my chicken and cow products.
I'd like to find the chicken that doesn't have some hormones in it 
Fact: all meat - organic or otherwise - contains hormones because the animals the meat came from naturally had some hormones in their blood.
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Existence said: I don't like the antibiotics and hormones in my chicken and cow products.
This is why 12 year old girls have huge boobs
In europe and here in canada, where rBGH was banned, we are still showing girls that start puberty sooner.
Nobody talks about the weight of these children! A girls body will not begin puberty until she has enough fat. This is the reason so many young girls who are gymnasts don't start puberty until they quit training all the time.
This was all on Penn and Teller last night...
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Re: Organic Food [Re: PDU]
#10773472 - 07/31/09 09:25 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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PDU said: Organic tastes better alot of the time
I would have thought so, too...but last night on Penn and Teller they had taste tests of random people on the street. Something like 80% of them chose the regular fruits over the organic. When asked (before being told) why they liked it...they mostly said it was because it was organic.
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Re: Organic Food [Re: trendal]
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trendal said:
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PDU said: Organic tastes better alot of the time
I would have thought so, too...but last night on Penn and Teller they had taste tests of random people on the street. Something like 80% of them chose the regular fruits over the organic. When asked (before being told) why they liked it...they mostly said it was because it was organic.
Not organic food in most cases has things people put in there, in factories etc. that makes the taste of fruit or whatever much stronger, sweeter and so on...
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Re: Organic Food [Re: dstark]
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that makes the taste of fruit or whatever much stronger, sweeter and so on...
So organic food doesn't taste better than regular food?
Also, I'd like to know what factory is injecting my fruit with shit 
(I'm joking...I doubt any factory can be found that has "things people put in there", with respect to fruit)
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DieCommie

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Andre Nickatina said: Chemical fertilizers and pesticides will never ever compare to green compost, beneficial bacteria ad smart planting.
This is the blind faith that turns me off. You dont know that, no study has ever shown that. Blanket extreme statements like that are rarely true. When people make such statements they loose credibility.
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Chespirito
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Re: Organic Food [Re: dstark]
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dstark said:
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trendal said:
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PDU said: Organic tastes better alot of the time
I would have thought so, too...but last night on Penn and Teller they had taste tests of random people on the street. Something like 80% of them chose the regular fruits over the organic. When asked (before being told) why they liked it...they mostly said it was because it was organic.
Not organic food in most cases has things people put in there, in factories etc. that makes the taste of fruit or whatever much stronger, sweeter and so on...
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Andre Nickatina
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Andre Nickatina said: Chemical fertilizers and pesticides will never ever compare to green compost, beneficial bacteria ad smart planting.
This is the blind faith that turns me off. You dont know that, no study has ever shown that. Blanket extreme statements like that are rarely true. When people make such statements they loose credibility.
Your a moron, its not blind faith. I've seen it done both ways, shit i've done it both ways. Chemical fertilizers do not compare to billions and billions of beneficial bacteria its a fact, if you don't believe me grow 2 plants one with miracle grow and one with compost and Microbial teas. I've done it and the organic plants are not only better but they resist pest and disease way better. Why do you think they have to use so many pesticides on conventional produce? Because the plants are too weak and malnourished to defend themselves. Ontop of this most commercial fertilizers do not contain micronutrients so most conventional produce is seriously lacking in that department.
Maybe you should stop blindly bashing people for no reason, you clearly have never farmed or probably grow anything for that matter in your whole life. Until you do your opinion means very little
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DieCommie

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Chemical fertilizers do not compare to billions and billions of beneficial bacteria its a fact, if you don't believe me grow 2 plants one with miracle grow and one with compost and Microbial teas.
I dont base my beliefs off of samples sizes that small.
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If what you say is so obviously true, then I'm sure you can provide research to back it up outside of your anecdotal experiences?
Also, is it really necessary to start with the childish name calling?
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