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Re: Organic Food [Re: dstark]
    #10766753 - 07/30/09 06:39 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Organic farming methods don't create nearly as much food as farming done with fertilizers and pest and weed control measures.  Personally, I like cheap and available food, and so do many poor people.


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Re: Organic Food [Re: Andre Nickatina]
    #10784340 - 08/02/09 07:47 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Organic tastes better alot of the time




I would have thought so, too...but last night on Penn and Teller they had taste tests of random people on the street. Something like 80% of them chose the regular fruits over the organic. When asked (before being told) why they liked it...they mostly said it was because it was organic.




The banana bit was golden.  Love that show.

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Chemical fertilizers and pesticides will never ever compare to green compost, beneficial bacteria ad smart planting.




This is the blind faith that turns me off.  You dont know that, no study has ever shown that.  Blanket extreme statements like that are rarely true.  When people make such statements they loose credibility.




Your a moron, its not blind faith. I've seen it done both ways, shit i've done it both ways. Chemical fertilizers do not compare to billions and billions of beneficial bacteria its a fact, if you don't believe me grow 2 plants one with miracle grow and one with compost and Microbial teas. I've done it and the organic plants are not only better but they resist pest and disease way better. Why do you think they have to use so many pesticides on conventional produce? Because the plants are too weak and malnourished to defend themselves. Ontop of this most commercial fertilizers do not contain micronutrients so most conventional produce is seriously lacking in that department.


Maybe you should stop blindly bashing people for no reason, you clearly have never farmed or probably grow anything for that matter in your whole life. Until you do your opinion means very little




If you found a way to increase conventional crop production using microbes instead of fertilizers without it costing the farmer absurd amounts of money, you would already be stinking rich.  Are these methods of production really feasible at a large scale?


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Re: Organic Food [Re: PoC]
    #10831816 - 08/10/09 06:38 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Re: GMOs
I would like to see some refereed literature that proves that GMOs are in the least bit dangerous or unhealthy.  The fact remains that modern methods of genetic engineering are safer and more predictable than any other form of plant breeding in the past.

Re: Cow conditions
I don't doubt that some livestock is kept in squalid conditions.  But I would argue that that is the fault of the idiot farmer that doesn't realize that keeping better conditions for his cows will save him money.  Any farmer who knows his shit is gonna keep a decently clean operation.  I have also yet to see any cow on a farm that doesn't eat grass. :smirk:


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Re: Organic Food [Re: Andre Nickatina]
    #10833751 - 08/10/09 03:30 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Humans don't need antibiotics, neither do wild animals.




Nobody NEEDS organic food either.  So what's your point?

Just because SOME individuals would be fine without antibiotics their entire lives, does not give just cause for not using those compounds to save the lives of others, or to improve livestock survival rates.

Organic ideology hinges on the precept that whatever technology we come up with is inherently bad.  However, the value of a technology largely lies in how it is used.  If I were to spray pesticides at a rate 10000 times the recommended level on a field, there may be deleterious consequences, but that is not a good argument against the use of such a chemical.

When it comes down to it, in an idealized chemical-free and organic playground where there are 2 cows per ha of pasture and science is barred from improving upon agriculture, there are few people who could afford to live.  If you really want to see such a world come about, I challenge you to accept the consequences.


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