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InvisibleDieCommie

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Re: Organic Food [Re: Chespirito]
    #10763796 - 07/29/09 06:54 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

'Organic' for the loss.  Its a silly bandwagon people jump on; they want organic to be healthier so they believe organic is healthier.


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InvisibleDieCommie

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Re: Organic Food [Re: Hypercube]
    #10767708 - 07/30/09 11:06 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Hypercube said:
Organic farming methods don't create nearly as much food as farming done with fertilizers and pest and weed control measures.  Personally, I like cheap and available food, and so do many poor people.




:thumbup:  The more food we can get per acre the cheaper food is and the less old growth habitat needs to be cleared away for farmland.


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InvisibleDieCommie

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Re: Organic Food [Re: Silversoul]
    #10772208 - 07/31/09 01:28 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

A problem I have with alot of organic proponents is the obvious blind faith aspect of it.  Its seems to stem from a sort of nature worship.  They believe that every food is better if it conforms to their arbitrary criteria of 'organic'.  Such blanket statements are rarely true.  Im sure sometimes organic is more healthy, sustainable and tasty and sometimes its not.  Its not reasonable to just make a blanket statement based off of a few examples.  Each farming technique should be investigated on its own and judged according, regardless of if it's organic or not.


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InvisibleDieCommie

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Re: Organic Food [Re: Silversoul]
    #10772313 - 07/31/09 01:58 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Part of the original idea of organic agriculture was that the farm would produce everything it needed to sustain itself -- essentially the idea behind permaculture.




See to me that just seems like anti-trade, isolationist politics disguised as environmentalism and health.  The organic movement is so confounded with other unrelated political ideology it losses me.

If in the case studies show a particular non-organic technique is bad Ill accept that.  If in the case some study shows an organic technique is better Ill accept that.  If the opposite is shown, Ill go with that info.  I see no reason to extrapolate beyond individual studies.


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InvisibleDieCommie

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Re: Organic Food [Re: Andre Nickatina]
    #10774602 - 07/31/09 12:52 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Andre Nickatina said:
Chemical fertilizers and pesticides will never ever compare to green compost, beneficial bacteria ad smart planting.




This is the blind faith that turns me off.  You dont know that, no study has ever shown that.  Blanket extreme statements like that are rarely true.  When people make such statements they loose credibility.


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InvisibleDieCommie

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Re: Organic Food [Re: Andre Nickatina]
    #10779594 - 08/01/09 11:35 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Chemical fertilizers do not compare to billions and billions of beneficial bacteria its a fact, if you don't believe me grow 2 plants one with miracle grow and one with compost and Microbial teas.




I dont base my beliefs off of samples sizes that small.  :shrug:


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InvisibleDieCommie

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Re: Organic Food [Re: Andre Nickatina]
    #10785370 - 08/02/09 12:04 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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What do you think people did before chemical fertilizers and pesticides existed?




They lived short brutal lives where starvation was always one season away if crops failed.

Another thing I notice here is the assumption that organic = sustainability (and the inference that nonorganic = unsustainable).  More baseless blanket statements...  If a farming method is unsustainable lets debate that in its own right - organic has nothing to do with it.


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InvisibleDieCommie

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Re: Organic Food [Re: Andre Nickatina]
    #10785539 - 08/02/09 12:31 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Not if they lived in tropical climates like our species is meant too.




Our species isnt meant to do anything, this is just more of your faith.  (which I can tolerate in others but I utterly reject faith in my own belief system)





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Let me just take a wild guess, You've never grown anything in your life?




You couldnt be more wrong.  One side of my family are farmers and avid gardeners and I very much enjoy all aspects of it.  (not that its relevant or necessary to have an opinion on this topic)


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InvisibleDieCommie

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Re: Organic Food [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #10822720 - 08/08/09 01:11 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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legallyhomeless said:
I like the people here that think eating chemicals is ok for their bodies.




I like how people on a drug message board speak ill of chemicals.  I dont think you even know what a chemical is...


Making gross generalizations about 'chemicals' betrays your ignorance.  If there is a specific chemical you have an issue with then lets discuss its merits and pitfalls.  Assuming all man made chemicals are bad and all 'nature' made chemicals are good is blind faith and part of the problem.


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