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Re: Organic Food [Re: Chespirito]
    #10770765 - 07/30/09 08:13 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Study didn't test micro nutrients, says nothing about pesticide residue and is probably funded by the factory farms. Ontop of that this study means absolutey nothing to people who buy soley from the farmers market, nothing compares to fresh food that you know has been grown chemical free.


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Re: Organic Food [Re: DieCommie]
    #10773172 - 07/31/09 08:14 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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As for micronutrients, dont make me fucking laugh




Laugh about what??

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Blind faith is a problem with a lot of movements




This is why you shouldn't buy just organic but you should buy local from the farmers market and ask the farmer how they run there farm. At the santa monica farmers market they actually have a notebook that explains how each stands farm works (what fertilizer they use, how they controll pest etc. ). The stuff from the store you have no idea how old it is, where it came from, how it was grown etc. its also usually about double the price at the store and the produce doesn't even compare in taste. Buy local! :smile:



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If in the case studies show a particular non-organic technique is bad Ill accept that.  If in the case some study shows an organic technique is better Ill accept that.  If the opposite is shown, Ill go with that info.  I see no reason to extrapolate beyond individual studies.




Chemical fertilizers and pesticides will never ever compare to green compost, beneficial bacteria ad smart planting. The only reason they use that bullshit is because people are lazy fucks


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Re: Organic Food [Re: DieCommie]
    #10778765 - 08/01/09 06:06 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Chemical fertilizers and pesticides will never ever compare to green compost, beneficial bacteria ad smart planting.




This is the blind faith that turns me off.  You dont know that, no study has ever shown that.  Blanket extreme statements like that are rarely true.  When people make such statements they loose credibility.




Your a moron, its not blind faith. I've seen it done both ways, shit i've done it both ways. Chemical fertilizers do not compare to billions and billions of beneficial bacteria its a fact, if you don't believe me grow 2 plants one with miracle grow and one with compost and Microbial teas. I've done it and the organic plants are not only better but they resist pest and disease way better. Why do you think they have to use so many pesticides on conventional produce? Because the plants are too weak and malnourished to defend themselves. Ontop of this most commercial fertilizers do not contain micronutrients so most conventional produce is seriously lacking in that department.


Maybe you should stop blindly bashing people for no reason, you clearly have never farmed or probably grow anything for that matter in your whole life. Until you do your opinion means very little


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Re: Organic Food [Re: Hypercube]
    #10784367 - 08/02/09 07:58 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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  Are these methods of production really feasible at a large scale?




What do you think people did before chemical fertilizers and pesticides existed?(both of which are relatively new). How could i make money on somthing thats already free? Organic produce might take slightly longer to produce, which it really doesn't once you have your system down, but it doesn't leave the land a barren wasteland or wash highly toxic neurotoxins into our water supply. Conventional produce is good for one thing, mass mono cropping which is stupid. Permaculture and sustainability are gonna be the future, we can only keep up these unsustainable habits for so long


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Re: Organic Food [Re: Andre Nickatina]
    #10784595 - 08/02/09 09:17 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Organic Food [Re: DieCommie]
    #10785444 - 08/02/09 12:17 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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They lived short brutal lives where starvation was always one season away if crops failed.




Not if they lived in tropical climates like our species is meant too.

Conventional farming methods are unsustainable, they erode the land, pollute it with dangerous chemicals and cause new strains of viruses to manifest. There are only three methods of farming organic, conventional and a mixture of the two. Organic practices that focus on composting, crop rotations and soil health are without a doubt as sustainable as it gets. If you read the articles i posted you would also find out they are more productive and cost effective then conventional farming

Let me just take a wild guess, You've never grown anything in your life?


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Re: Organic Food [Re: DieCommie]
    #10785810 - 08/02/09 01:28 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Not if they lived in tropical climates like our species is meant too.




Our species isnt meant to do anything, this is just more of your faith.  (which I can tolerate in others but I utterly reject faith in my own belief system)





Its not faith, its science. Humans are tropical primates, look it up


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Re: Organic Food [Re: Redstorm]
    #10786092 - 08/02/09 02:18 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Humans are adaptive creatures. They aren't "meant" to be anywhere. Regardless of your absurd assertions, the Cradle of Civilization is hardly tropical.




Humans evolved from apes in the eastern african region, this region used to be tropical/sub-tropical. Am i missing something? No doubt humans are adaptive creatures, still does not change the fact we are naked tropical primates


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Re: Organic Food [Re: PDU]
    #10794129 - 08/03/09 06:53 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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How does one investigate the "organic-ness" and farming methods used to grow their food?

Lets use hempoilcanada.com and my local farmers market as examples, what sorts of questions would i ask, to find out if they use "sustainable" farming practices.




The first question you should ask if there No Spray, this means they don't use any sort of pesticide or herbicide. Other good questions include types of fertilizer they use, where there water comes from and how big the farm is


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Re: Organic Food [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #10833211 - 08/10/09 01:53 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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because it is like saying that humans don't need them.






Humans don't need antibiotics, neither do wild animals.


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Re: Organic Food [Re: Hypercube]
    #10844227 - 08/12/09 06:41 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Humans don't need antibiotics, neither do wild animals.




Nobody NEEDS organic food either.  So what's your point?






Yes they do, organic produce is an absolute necessity. I'm sorry but maybe you like chemical laden nutrient deficient food but I'll stick to what mother earth intended for me to eat. The government doesn't know what all these pesticides are gonna do to people long term, maybe you don't care but my life is precious and I treat my body with utmost respect.

By the way no one needs antibiotics(or any pill for that matter), even people who are sick. The only thing people truly need is a good diet


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