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Possible chanterelle and a Polyporus radicatus?
#10739118 - 07/25/09 05:58 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Found on the ground on hillside along the creek in a hardwood forest. There may have been wood underneath but they all appeared to be growing scattered on the ground. Cap size of this one is 12cm, most others smaller down to about a quarter coin size. Taste is bitter.
Found beside a hardwood tree in the forest, with 2 others right beside. Stem is very squashy but tough, and black on the end. Cap is brown and scaley, pores round and very small. Flesh is tender white and mild/pleasant in taste ( tastes a little like soup stock ).
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Re: Possible chanterelle and a Polyporus radicatus? [Re: psylobe1001]
#10739129 - 07/25/09 06:00 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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False cantherelle and something else...don't know what, though.
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Re: Possible chanterelle and a Polyporus radicatus? [Re: psylobe1001]
#10739167 - 07/25/09 06:08 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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The first is either Omphalotus illudens ("Jack O'Lantern Mushroom"), or Hygrophoropsis aurantiaca ("False Chanterelle"), but definitely not any Cantharellus species. The bitter flavour is a dead give away- Chanterelles are never bitter.
The second could definitely be P. radicatus!
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Re: Possible chanterelle and a Polyporus radicatus? [Re: psylobe1001]
#10739273 - 07/25/09 06:35 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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The first is either Omphalotus illudens ("Jack O'Lantern Mushroom"), or Hygrophoropsis aurantiaca ("False Chanterelle"), but definitely not any Cantharellus species. The bitter flavour is a dead give away- Chanterelles are never bitter.
The second could definitely be P. radicatus!
I agree, the first looks like a False Chanterelle (Hygrophoropsis aurantiaca) and the second a Rooting Polypore (Polyporus radicatus).

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Re: Possible chanterelle and a Polyporus radicatus? [Re: CureCat]
#10739300 - 07/25/09 06:42 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for the help guys. Do you think this polypore is edible?? Going by the tenderness of the cap and taste it seems like it should be.
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Re: Possible chanterelle and a Polyporus radicatus? [Re: psylobe1001]
#10739354 - 07/25/09 06:56 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you think this polypore is edible?? Going by the tenderness of the cap and taste it seems like it should be.
Yes the Rooting Polypore (Polyporus radicatus) is edible.
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Re: Possible chanterelle and a Polyporus radicatus? [Re: psylobe1001]
#10739424 - 07/25/09 07:11 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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The "Chanterelle look-a-like" is curious to me, as you describe it as bitter... Yet, neither O. illudens nor H. aurantiaca are described as having a distinctly bitter flavour.
With the smooth, some what hygrophanous cap, rather than a velvety or scaly cap, the overall appearance reminds me more of O. illudens then it does H. aurantiaca.
The spores are white to pale for both species, so that characteristic won't help.
You should try taking it into a dark room without windows and covering up any LEDs or other lights, and stuffing a towel under the door to block out all the light, and then sit there for 5 minutes or so and wait for your eyes to adjust to the dark. Then see if you notice any green luminescence. Move the mushroom very close to your face and any glowing will become more obvious.
If so, then you can definitely call it an Omphalotus! If not, then it could still be either, since not all collections glow all the time...
As for the Polyporus, I'm not really sure... Uh, P. radicatus is supposed to be tough like wood, I believe. At least that is what sources describe, though I have never found it myself, so it is hard for me to say with certainty. If it is more fleshy and less woody, then perhaps it is in fact something else altogether. P. radicatus is listed as "inedible", but that is very likely due to the fact that it is too tough to be considered of any culinary value.
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Re: Possible chanterelle and a Polyporus radicatus? [Re: CureCat]
#10739909 - 07/25/09 08:41 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks Tikaani and Curecat. I'm not sure what to think about this taste I'm calling bitterness now. Maybe it's actually what some call peppery in chanterelles?? I will go back to that place tomorrow with my camera to capture more accurate colors and see exactly where it grows.
btw I tried the glow in dark test with no results.
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Re: Possible chanterelle and a Polyporus radicatus? [Re: psylobe1001]
#10739923 - 07/25/09 08:43 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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psylobe1001 said: btw I tried the glow in dark test with no results.
i've read on a couple mushroom sites that the glow-in-the-dark thing is just a urban legend?
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Re: Possible chanterelle and a Polyporus radicatus? [Re: amilibertine]
#10740111 - 07/25/09 09:36 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not sure what to think about this taste I'm calling bitterness now. Maybe it's actually what some call peppery in chanterelles?
Chanterelles are not bitter or peppery, maybe a very light spice (raw). If you search images of the False Chanterelle (Hygrophoropsis aurantiaca) you may find that you are able to make a decision as to the specie. This specimen seems too orange for a Chanterelle.
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i've read on a couple mushroom sites that the glow-in-the-dark thing is just a urban legend? D4D0C8
This is completely true, the Jack O' Lantern (Omphalotus olivascens) and the Luminescent Panellus (Panellus stipticus) are two examples that have bioluminescent gills. They contain a toxin called illudin, which is also responsible for its bioluminescence.
Edited by Tikaani (07/25/09 09:39 PM)
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Re: Possible chanterelle and a Polyporus radicatus? [Re: amilibertine]
#10740225 - 07/25/09 09:57 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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amilibertine said: i've read on a couple mushroom sites that the glow-in-the-dark thing is just a urban legend?
You have to read the whole page.
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The Jack O'Lantern is the focus of the largest and most insidious conspiracy in the mycological world. According to every field guide, and every other source of literature available for the species, its gills glow in the dark. I'm not making this up; pick up any mushroom book that describes the Jack O'Lantern, and you'll find the author coolly mentioning the "luminescence" of the gills, or telling stories about 19th-Century pioneers finding their way back to their cabins, in the dark, following the Jack O'Lantern's glowing gills.
All of these authors are lying, and they are in cahoots. See, what they enjoy is knowing that hundreds of amateur mushroomers, every fall, shut themselves into closets, bathrooms, and garages, eagerly peering through the darkness for hours, waiting for the Jack O'Lantern's gills to luminesce.
I have wasted at least three hours of my life in this endeavor, over the years. Three hours! Every time I collect Omphalotus illudens, I think to myself: "These are fresh specimens; surely this time I'll see it." Then I seclude myself in darkness and hover, waiting . . . and waiting, and waiting. This last time, after nearly half an hour, I finally began to see the gills glow in the dark, an eerie green color--until I held my hand over my eyes and noticed that the glowing gills were still there.
I am here to tell you: The emperor is naked! Don't make a fool of yourself, as I regularly do. After years of trying to see the luminescent gills I have reached the obvious conclusion: mushroom authors are out to make me feel like an idiot. And don't bother sending an e-mail to tell me you have seen the Jack O'Lantern's glowing gills, or to send a photo of the phenomenon, because I will know you are part of the conspiracy, and that the photo was produced by the same people who made the photos of the Loch Ness Monster.
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Addendum, 2003
Five months after writing this page, I looked again at the scan I made to illustrate the Jack O'Lantern mushroom (above). This time, however, I looked more closely--why, I don't know. But when I looked at the scan and focused on the young gills, I noticed something peculiar, which you can see if you enlarge this image:

Though I had stared at these mushrooms in the dark for at least 20 minutes, seeing nothing, my scanner saw something. The scan probably took about 40 seconds to make; in that time the young gills luminesced enough to distort the image, clearly visible in the enlargement!
Obviously, my scanner is in on the conspiracy, too.
Addendum, 2005
The conspiracy deepens. Also involved with perpetuating the glow-in-the-dark myth are several prominent mycologists, the entire Missouri Mycological Society, some mushroom loving students from Indiana, and--well, my own eyes. This summer I walked ("stumbled" is a better descriptor) 100 yards through pitch-black woods between my cabin and a camp fire, holding aloft a brilliantly glowing clump of Omphalotus illudens. The trick, it seems, is to wrap the mushrooms in damp paper towels when you collect them. Then study some other fungi (particularly the Ascomycetes that are used to ferment beverages) as thoroughly as you can. If you follow this process, anyway, the luminescence is undeniable.
http://mushroomexpert.com/omphalotus_illudens.html
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Re: Possible chanterelle and a Polyporus radicatus? [Re: CureCat]
#10740273 - 07/25/09 10:10 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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You have to read the whole page.Quote:
I am here to tell you: The emperor is naked! Don't make a fool of yourself, as I regularly do.
That is absolutely fabulous! I do profess, the specimens of Jack O' Lantern (Omphalotus olivascens)
 I collected a week or so ago definitely did show their bioluminescent gills. I have been training my eyes for a few years now, practicing seeing in extremely low-light conditions, and was able to detect the faint glowing within a few minutes of the darkness. Truth be told, it is amazing!
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Re: Possible chanterelle and a Polyporus radicatus? [Re: psylobe1001]
#10740410 - 07/25/09 10:40 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am not sure, but it does look like a chanterelle to me.
It should not be bitter.
Can you take some more macro shots of the gills?
Maybe put the camera on manual focus, set it to the closest that it can go, then move the camera near the gills until its in focus.
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Re: Possible chanterelle and a Polyporus radicatus? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#10743147 - 07/26/09 12:58 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok, so I went back to the woods to take some pics this morning. I tried to use the flash as little as possible as it exaggerates oranges. Here are the results:
area 1
area 2
area 3
area 4
area 5 (these had me thinking false chanterelle due to the more abrupt ending of the gills?? )
area 6

I believe now they truly are chanterelles because, in addition to the mildly bitter taste that creeps after about 5 seconds , there is distinctly buttery flavor. I fried some up in oil and they are quite nice, and the bitterness is gone.
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Re: Possible chanterelle and a Polyporus radicatus? [Re: psylobe1001]
#10743183 - 07/26/09 01:07 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those are true chanterelles for sure, Cantharellus formosus most likely.
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Re: Possible chanterelle and a Polyporus radicatus? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#10743202 - 07/26/09 01:11 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Note the fruity smell of the cantherelles. The lookalikes lack this
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Re: Possible chanterelle and a Polyporus radicatus? [Re: psylobe1001]
#10743267 - 07/26/09 01:25 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I see your flash plays some tricks on the eye; the photographs without the flash makes the specie much more apparent, nice work! I would guess (Cantharellus cibarius) because you are located in SW Ontario. Nice finds!
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Re: Possible chanterelle and a Polyporus radicatus? [Re: Tikaani]
#10743516 - 07/26/09 02:22 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the help guys! Yeah I think Alan missed my location and they are probably cibarius. Good to know it's a positive chant ID finally after some camera foibles and my weird sense of taste.
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Re: Possible chanterelle and a Polyporus radicatus? [Re: psylobe1001]
#10743521 - 07/26/09 02:23 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yea I meant C. cibarius.
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