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lkjh
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astral projection
#10728590 - 07/23/09 06:31 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I asked about what can I use to jumpstart astral projection, and was recommended Salvia Dela Luz. If anyone had experience with it, I'd like to know so that I'm not wasting money. Also post if you have other suggestions instead of Salvia.
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Re: astral projection [Re: lkjh]
#10728636 - 07/23/09 06:38 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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ive got a ton of books on ap, if your interested let me know and ill email them to you.
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lkjh
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Yes, I'm interested. Have you experienced it?
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Re: astral projection [Re: lkjh]
#10728915 - 07/23/09 07:25 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I use mugwort.
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I'm not sure that salvia (at least smoking it) is very good for coherent astral projection. It sets in very quick, is amazingly intense, and very hard to focus on anything happening to you.
And then 2 minutes later you're back to normal, and the common statement afterwards is 'what the f*** was that?!'.
It definitely is worth the amount of money it costs. And it's kind of fun to have the crap scared out of you every once in a while. But I think that it would be more useful to try it the way the shamans do it... drink a suspension and chew the leaves.
The best way to achieve fully lucid astral projection is through meditation.. and if you use anything to speed it up, make sure it's something you can concentrate with.
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Re: astral projection [Re: oddmanin]
#10731238 - 07/24/09 03:43 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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my preferred method is to induce sleep paralysis and go from there...
DXM is handy as well... except it blasts me so far into hyperspace sometimes I forget I ever even had a meat suit to begin with
now DXM + 20x salvia.... I dont even think you can call that astral projection, more like being stuffed into the fourth dimension then popped out the other end right back to where you came from(?)
it was like the last 15 or so minutes of the movie 'hypercube' except from the viewpoint of the actual character
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Re: astral projection [Re: LuSiD9]
#10731250 - 07/24/09 03:46 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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check out this link... http://www.youtube.com/user/LucidDreamTricks
LOADS of good info for a drug free approach
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Re: astral projection [Re: LuSiD9]
#10732128 - 07/24/09 10:27 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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ap under a substance usually is not a good idea. theres many audio recordings that can help induce obes, and many books on techniques.
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AP Under a substance is a great idea if you know what you're doing.
If DXM agrees with you ok, it's extremely valuable as a tool to aide in astral projection.
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Re: astral projection [Re: Fraggin]
#10732220 - 07/24/09 10:49 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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now, when you ap on a substance is it just the body that is effected or the energy body as well?
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Did brief years of pyshological research of psychidelics not teach us anything?
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Re: astral projection [Re: Fraggin]
#10732632 - 07/24/09 12:23 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nothing can "jumpstart" your ability to "project". Psychedelics have many uses, but no mind altering substance will give you the same results as true projection. The "astral" realm is very different than those one may experience on psychedelics. The only way to improve at this skill is practice, practice, practice. Meditate, work on your visualization, and dedicate yourself to the work, and you will get results.
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Re: astral projection [Re: satyr]
#10732904 - 07/24/09 01:10 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
satyr said: Nothing can "jumpstart" your ability to "project". Psychedelics have many uses, but no mind altering substance will give you the same results as true projection. The "astral" realm is very different than those one may experience on psychedelics. The only way to improve at this skill is practice, practice, practice. Meditate, work on your visualization, and dedicate yourself to the work, and you will get results.
that is very true for the most part... I agree, a true projection without drugs is different from a natural one, I've never actually projected off mushrooms or LSD... but DXM is different
If you ask me, DXM will skip the being in your room in your astral double form, and send right into 'point consciousness' there is no shape to your being what so ever anymore... just a speck of consciousness in a sea of energy, in realms far far away from the physical plane...
but I personaly have to disagree with the meditation/visualization part... especially the visualization, it's totally unnecessary really, I've been astral projecting since I was a young kid, and believe me I had absolutley no idea what visualization or meditation were... makes it needlessly more complicated than it has to be for a beginner, which will usually cause them to give up before it happens and make them think they cant possibly do it
timing and discipline are more important
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Re: astral projection [Re: LuSiD9]
#10733063 - 07/24/09 01:38 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know that natural projection may be different, however I have spent enough time without realization of my goals. There could be several reasons for that. A drug would help me the first time and with experience I'll be able to do it on my own. Like riding a bicycle. For now I'm planning on using Salvia, but can you point out some good sources of DXM?
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Re: astral projection [Re: lkjh]
#10733234 - 07/24/09 02:03 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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DXM is a touchy subject around here... so be careful where you ask about it
do you know anything about it already?
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Re: astral projection [Re: LuSiD9]
#10733391 - 07/24/09 02:32 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, I know some stuff about cough syrup. I don't like syrup (and it's not otc anyway) and basically any pharmaceuticals, preferring a more natural, or at least a more pure form. However that's just my preferences so you know where I'm coming from. Around here there seem to be a lot of touchy subjects, I think due to the abundance of touchy people. Tell me about DXM (and pm where I can talk about it).
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Re: astral projection [Re: lkjh]
#10733429 - 07/24/09 02:40 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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will do
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