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Is there any way for the FED's to hack the shroomery?MODs?
#10729291 - 07/23/09 08:26 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I guess my question is, how anonymous are we on the shroomery?
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Re: Is there any way for the FED's to hack the shroomery?MODs? [Re: OverdoseLiving]
#10729489 - 07/23/09 08:58 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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not very, your IP is logged along with each login and your username. THey can easily put this information together.
Shroomery is indexed by search engines too, in other words, don't put anything up here your not willing to be easily findable through a google search.
How safe the shroomery is against being hacked, and how often these logs are cleared on the other hand is beyond me.
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Re: Is there any way for the FED's to hack the shroomery?MODs? [Re: supra]
#10729511 - 07/23/09 09:01 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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They don't need to hack it, they can get a warrant. Ythan would resist all the way up until the judge asks "How does your client plead?", and then he'd tell his lawyer they are giving in. Or depending on how the server is managed, Ythan may not even be consulted.
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Re: Is there any way for the FED's to hack the shroomery?MODs? [Re: Doc_T]
#10729578 - 07/23/09 09:11 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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So the feds would need a warrant to get our info from the shroomery?
I wonder if this has ever happend before?
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Re: Is there any way for the FED's to hack the shroomery?MODs? [Re: OverdoseLiving]
#10729614 - 07/23/09 09:17 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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OverdoseLiving said: So the feds would need a warrant to get our info from the shroomery?
I wonder if this has ever happend before?
legally yes, if the owner does not hand it over willingly, they would need a warrant to go 'take' it.
However, this does not mean that some crazy NSAish type unit is not going to hack in and get all this info forcefully...But it also does not mean they are even trying or can...
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Re: Is there any way for the FED's to hack the shroomery?MODs? [Re: OverdoseLiving]
#10730006 - 07/23/09 10:16 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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OverdoseLiving said: So the feds would need a warrant to get our info from the shroomery?
I wonder if this has ever happend before?
Not entirely true. If the server is not located in the US but rather in another country, depending on the laws of that country getting the logs might either take years, or not be possible at all.
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Re: Is there any way for the FED's to hack the shroomery?MODs? [Re: Denisius]
#10730053 - 07/23/09 10:24 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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^^^ true.
And/or they could hack it. There's some good hackers working for the government.
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Re: Is there any way for the FED's to hack the shroomery?MODs? [Re: Doc_T]
#10730454 - 07/23/09 11:56 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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And/or they could hack it. There's some good hackers working for the government.
Hacking websites is not what the US government does.
The information is all there in plain text, no need to hack anything.
They could sniff packets to get pm's, but why?
There are no big traffickers here and the government doesn't get in the way of free speech very often.
There are lots of drug web sites, I am sure the government finds them vaguely amusing but they seem to have a very hands off approach.
Assume that all the plaintext you send is being recorded, posts indexed by google, etc. If you want anonymity use tor or a open wireless network. If you don't want people reading your PM's use encrypted PM's.
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Re: Is there any way for the FED's to hack the shroomery?MODs? [Re: Denisius]
#10733258 - 07/24/09 02:05 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Denisius said:
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OverdoseLiving said: So the feds would need a warrant to get our info from the shroomery?
I wonder if this has ever happend before?
Not entirely true. If the server is not located in the US but rather in another country, depending on the laws of that country getting the logs might either take years, or not be possible at all.
the servers for shroomery are located within the continental US.
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Re: Is there any way for the FED's to hack the shroomery?MODs? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#10734037 - 07/24/09 04:36 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Alan makes a good point, the large traffickers are not shroomery members or people who would be willing to divulge information about their work to anyone.
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Re: Is there any way for the FED's to hack the shroomery?MODs? [Re: Prof. Astro]
#10736353 - 07/25/09 12:45 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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How can your encrypt youe PM's?
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Re: Is there any way for the FED's to hack the shroomery?MODs? [Re: OverdoseLiving]
#10736410 - 07/25/09 01:02 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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OverdoseLiving said: How can your encrypt youe PM's?
There's an checkbox under your user settings to turn on encrypted PMs, but you need to be a Shroomery supporter to use that feature.
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Re: Is there any way for the FED's to hack the shroomery?MODs? [Re: Prof. Astro]
#10736500 - 07/25/09 01:33 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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How can your encrypt your PM's?
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Re: Is there any way for the FED's to hack the shroomery?MODs? [Re: SuperD]
#10736503 - 07/25/09 01:35 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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There's an checkbox under your user settings to turn on encrypted PMs, but you need to be a Shroomery supporter to use that feature.
Nah, its available to everyone. It uses strong encryption.
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Re: Is there any way for the FED's to hack the shroomery?MODs? [Re: supra]
#10736879 - 07/25/09 05:41 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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supra said:
the servers for shroomery are located within the continental US.
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Then perhaps they should be moved elsewhere.
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Re: Is there any way for the FED's to hack the shroomery?MODs? [Re: Denisius]
#10736892 - 07/25/09 06:04 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Denisius said:
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supra said:
the servers for shroomery are located within the continental US.
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Then perhaps they should be moved elsewhere. 
No way. We are using the site to talk about something- that's more legal in the US than anywhere in the world.
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Re: Is there any way for the FED's to hack the shroomery?MODs? [Re: Doc_T]
#10736901 - 07/25/09 06:10 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah but I mean, its possible for the police to use shit against people.
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Re: Is there any way for the FED's to hack the shroomery?MODs? [Re: Doc_T]
#10736937 - 07/25/09 06:37 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: No way. We are using the site to talk about something- that's more legal in the US than anywhere in the world.
Up until the feds take notice.
Moving the servers to another country would simply mean that all of us shroomeries will be able to sleep better at night.
Why take the risk, when moving the servers to another country would not cost any more (And possibly will cost even less than it does now) and will be relatively fast?
Just take Hushmail for example. It was considered to be secure, yet when the feds wanted and supinated the communications between two members, it had no chance but to give them up.
If on the other hand their servers were located not in the states but elswhere, that would not have happened.
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Re: Is there any way for the FED's to hack the shroomery?MODs? [Re: Denisius]
#10736942 - 07/25/09 06:41 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Feds can acquire and use data from foreign servers just as easily, maybe more easily, as from a US server. That's all I'm saying here.
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Re: Is there any way for the FED's to hack the shroomery?MODs? [Re: Doc_T]
#10736947 - 07/25/09 06:43 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Feds can acquire and use data from foreign servers just as easily, maybe more easily, as from a US server. That's all I'm saying here.
Not true. I'm not an expert on the issue, but from what I understand they have to go through both international law and the specific laws of that country.
If the administrators of the Shroomery chooses to transfer it to a country that has strict laws against such things, it would be practically impossible for the feds to do that.
The feds don't have world-wide jurisdiction, they are limited to the laws of other countries.
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