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Do I let my BRF cakes consolidate before using them as spawn?
    #10728266 - 07/23/09 05:20 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I'm using BRF cakes as spawn...  I've heard that you don't have to let them consolidate as long as you would if you were birthing them as cakes.  After they're all white on the outside, how long should I give them before grating them?  I know I've read about this somewhere on this forum, but I've been searching for 30 minutes and I can't find anything on it!!

Oh, and if my horse poo has already been weathered well, does it have to be completely dry before I pasteurize it?  I'd guess no, since I'm going to be getting it wet anyway.


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Re: Do I let my BRF cakes consolidate before using them as spawn? [Re: Project]
    #10728280 - 07/23/09 05:22 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I would wait 7 days still. I have waited over 2 weeks and still successfully spawned to hpoo/straw no problem.


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Re: Do I let my BRF cakes consolidate before using them as spawn? [Re: hammy]
    #10728297 - 07/23/09 05:25 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

ure poo needs to be leached well, preferably dry so you get it all broken up before pasteurization.

yes you need to let it consolidate


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Re: Do I let my BRF cakes consolidate before using them as spawn? [Re: hammy]
    #10728306 - 07/23/09 05:27 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I'm thinking that making sure they're fully colonized would be the best bet too, but I'm pretty sure I've read that consolidation isn't necessary if you're using the BRF for spawn.  I almost want to say I saw RR say it, but I'm not sure so don't quote me on that!

I was thinking of making three mini-trays to place in a shotgun FC.  One jar per tray, two of them will be 1:4 and one will be 1:1.  Any foreseeable problems with this?  Thanks


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Re: Do I let my BRF cakes consolidate before using them as spawn? [Re: potatonet]
    #10728325 - 07/23/09 05:30 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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ure poo needs to be leached well, preferably dry so you get it all broken up before pasteurization.

yes you need to let it consolidate





Okay, I'll let it consolidate.  Was planning on letting it consolidate at least 4 good days anyway, but I'll just see how it goes.

And I've already broken the poo (which some was still moist) into pretty small bits (on average about as big as a half of a 2 liter bottle cap).  It was aged when I found it, then I let it sit outside for about 1.5 weeks.  It got rained on at least a couple times.  There are no smells of ammonia, smells like dirt, and it's mostly just poo and the straw that was already in it.  Should this be okay to pasteurize or should I let it sit up in my attic for a few days (it's pretty hot and dry up there).  Thanks


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Re: Do I let my BRF cakes consolidate before using them as spawn? [Re: Project]
    #10728368 - 07/23/09 05:41 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

You only need to consolidsate before fruiting, not spawning. Consolidation allows myc to digest the food it colinises in prep for fruiting. If your spawning you want the mycelium to continue running.

When the outside of the cake is colinised, the inside is too, the inside too.

There's no need to wait after full colinisation when spawning. Give it a day if you must but not. Ful week.


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Re: Do I let my BRF cakes consolidate before using them as spawn? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #10728441 - 07/23/09 05:57 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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You only need to consolidsate before fruiting, not spawning. Consolidation allows myc to digest the food it colinises in prep for fruiting. If your spawning you want the mycelium to continue running.

When the outside of the cake is colinised, the inside is too, the inside too.

There's no need to wait after full colinisation when spawning. Give it a day if you must but not. Ful week.




Makes sense...

What if by chance say the inside hasn't colonized all the way, would that greatly increase the chance for contamination in my bulk substrate?

And are my poo and tray ratios good to go?

Thanks so much for the help, it means a lot to me :smile:


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Re: Do I let my BRF cakes consolidate before using them as spawn? [Re: Project]
    #10728479 - 07/23/09 06:06 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Unless somehow the midde of the cake got waterlogged or copressed no, there's very littlte chance it won't be colinised.

I've had a few cakes that only germinated at 2 inoc points at 1 half of the glass, myc started popping through the other side before the surface myc could get round. I've also had jars have myc appear at the bottom before the myc on the surface gets down to it.

If it smells like dirt then it should be good to use. Hydrate to feild capacity and pasturise.

I'm no expert in bulk though


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Re: Do I let my BRF cakes consolidate before using them as spawn? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #10728628 - 07/23/09 06:36 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds good to me!  Thanks a lot.

I was playing around with that poo earlier, trying to see how much I could fit into various containers, ect..  Anyway, this is my first time playing with poo so I don't really know what it's going to look like after it's pasteurized.  As of now, it's pretty darn fluffy just sitting in the container I have it in.  After it's pasteurized, does it lay down more?  Or in other words, as I pour it into my containers, will it compress somewhat or still be really darn fluffy?

Side note:  I've just started finding tons of talk about the whole waiting to consolidate BRF if you're going to use them as spawn.  Started finding that info when I started looking for info on another question, that I've yet to find an answer to..  LOL

Go figure :wink:


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