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Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly'
    #10725998 - 07/23/09 11:22 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

(CNN) -- President Obama said that police in Cambridge, Massachusetts, "acted stupidly" in arresting a prominent black Harvard professor last week after a confrontation at the man's home.

"I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played," Obama said.


I think it's fair to say, No. 1, any of us would be pretty angry; No. 2, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home; and, No. 3 ... that there's a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately."

The incident, Obama said, shows "how race remains a factor in this society."

Crowley wrote in the Cambridge police report that Gates refused to step outside to speak with him, the police report said, and when Crowley told Gates that he was investigating a possible break-in, Gates opened the front door and exclaimed, "Why, because I'm a black man in America?" the report said.

The report said Gates initially refused to show the officer identification, but eventually produced a Harvard identification card, prompting Crowley to radio for Harvard University Police.


While I was led to believe that Gates was lawfully in the residence, I was quite surprised and confused with the behavior he exhibited toward me," Crowley said, according to the report.

Gates was arrested for "loud and tumultuous behavior in a public space" and was released from police custody after spending four hours at the police station.


He told CNN on Wednesday that although charges had been dropped, he will keep the issue alive.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/22/harvard.gates.interview/index.html?eref=rss_topstories



what is Obama saying?

that black men should not have to show police there proof of residence when responding to a burglary call?


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: lonestar2004]
    #10726014 - 07/23/09 11:27 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Boston Globe Scrubs Henry Louis Gates Arrest Report From Website


the police report describing Gates’s hysterical behaviour has apparently disappeared from the Boston Globe site. Strange, don’t you think?


Strange, perhaps, but not really surprising since, despite the assertion yesterday by President Barack Obama that the Cambridge police department acted "stupidly," one might think differently after reading the full police report. Here are a few excerpts from the report by arresting officer, James Crowley:

On Thursday July 16, 2009, Henry Gates, Jr. - -, of Ware Street, Cambridge, MA) was placed under arrest at Ware Street, after being observed exhibiting loud and tumultuous behavior, in a public place, directed at a uniformed police officer who was present investigating a report of a crime in progress. These actions on the behalf of Gates served no legitimate purpose and caused citizens passing by this location to stop and take notice while appearing surprised and alarmed.

...When I arrived at Ware Street I radioed ECC and asked that they have the caller meet me at the front door to this residence. I was told that the caller was already outside. As I was getting this information, I climbed the porch stairs toward the front door. As [reached the door, a female voice called out to me. I looked in the direction of the voice and observed a white female, later identified {} who was standing on the sidewalk in front of the residence, held a wireless telephone in her hand arid told me that it was she who called. She went on to tell me that she observed what appeared to be two black males with backpacks on the porch of• Ware Street. She told me that her suspicions were aroused when she observed one of the men wedging his shoulder into the door as if he was trying to force entry. Since I was the only police officer on location and had my back to the front door as I spoke with her, I asked that she wait for other responding officers while I investigated further.

As I turned and faced the door, I could see an older black male standing in the foyer of {} Ware Street. I made this observation through the glass paned front door. As I stood in plain view of this man, later identified as Gates, I asked if he would step out onto the porch and speak with me. He replied “no I will not”. He then demanded to know who I was. I told him that I was “Sgt. Crowley from the Cambridge Police” and that I was “investigating a report of a break in progress” at the residence. While I was making this statement, Gates opened the front door and exclaimed “why, because I’m a black man in America?”. I then asked Gates if there was anyone else in the residence. While yelling, he told me that it was none of my business and accused me of being a racist police officer. I assured Gates that I was responding to a citizen’s call to the Cambridge Police and that the caller was outside as we spoke. Gates seemed to ignore me and picked up a cordless telephone and dialed an unknown telephone number. As he did so, I radioed on channel I that I was off in the residence with someone who appeared to be a resident but very uncooperative. I then overheard Gates asking the person on the other end of his telephone call to “get the chief’ and “whats the chiefs name?’. Gates was telling the person on the other end of the call that he was dealing with a racist police officer in his home. Gates then turned to me and told me that I had no idea who I was “messing” with and that I had not heard the last of it. While I was led to believe that Gates was lawfully in the residence, I was quite surprised and confused with the behavior he exhibited toward me. I asked Gates to provide me with photo identification so that I could verify that he resided at Ware Street and so that I could radio my findings to ECC. Gates initially refused, demanding that I show him identification but then did supply me with a Harvard University identification card. Upon learning that Gates was affiliated with Harvard, I radioed and requested the presence of the Harvard University Police.

With the Harvard University identification in hand, I radioed my findings to ECC on channel two and prepared to leave. Gates again asked for my name which I began to provide. Gates began to yell over my spoken words by accusing me of being a racist police officer and leveling threats that he wasn’t someone to mess with. At some point during this exchange, I became aware that Off. Carlos Figueroa was standing behind me. When Gates asked a third time for my name, I explained to him that I had provided it at his request two separate times. Gates continued to yell at me. I told Gates that I was leaving his residence and that if he had any other questions regarding the matter, I would speak with him outside of the residence.

As I began walking through the foyer toward the front door, I could hear Gates agai,n demanding my name. I again told Gates that I would speak with him outside. My reason for wanting to leave the residence was that Gates was yelling very loud and the acoustics of the kitchen and foyer were making it difficult for me to transmit pertinent information to ECC or other responding units. His reply was “ya, I’ll speak with your mama outside”. When I left the residence, I noted that there were several Cambridge and Harvard University police officers assembled on the sidewalk in front of the residence. Additionally, the caller, md at least seven unidentified passers-by were looking in the direction of Gates, who had followed me outside of the residence.

As I descended the stairs to the sidewalk, Gates continued to yell at me, accusing me of racial bias and continued to tell me that I had not heard the last of him. Due to the tumultuous manner Gates had exhibited in his residence as well as his continued tumultuous behavior outside the residence, in view of the public, I warned Gates that he was becoming disorderly. Gates ignored my warning and continued to yell, which drew the attention of both the police officers and citizens, who appeared surprised and alarmed by Gates’s outburst. For a second time I warned Gates to calm down while I withdrew my department issued handcuffs from their carrying case. Gates again ignored my warning and continued to yell at me. It was at this time that I informed Gates that he was under arrest. I then stepped up the stairs, onto the porch and attempted to place handcuffs on Gates. Gates initially resisted my attempt to handcuff him, yelling that he was “disabled” and would fall without his cane. After the handcuffs were property applied, Gates complained that they were too tight. I ordered Off. Ivey, who was among the responding officers, to handcuff Gates with his arms in front of him for his comfort while I secured a cane for Gates from within the residence. I then asked Gates if he would like an officer to take possession of his house key and secure his front door, which he left wide open. Gates told me that the door was un securable due to a previous break attempt at the residence. Shortly thereafter, a Harvard University maintenance person arrived on scene and appeared familiar with Gates. I asked Gates if he was comfortable with this Harvard University maintenance person securing his residence. He told me that he was.


Not a very pretty picture of the highly abusive Gates was painted here. And this is probably why the Boston Globe felt it had to remove the police report from its website







http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2009/07/23/boston-globe-scrubs-henry-louis-gates-arrest-report-website


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: lonestar2004]
    #10726265 - 07/23/09 12:41 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: Taco Chef]
    #10726319 - 07/23/09 12:57 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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this is your rebuttal to

Obama: "I Don’t Know All The Facts But The Cops Acted Stupidly"


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: lonestar2004]
    #10726331 - 07/23/09 01:02 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

yes; you're posting a meaningless thread about a few words to a question that shouldn't even have been asked at a news conference. OMG the president said some police acted stupidly, which they did.

the only reason you're posting this is to try and stir up white resentment...and i'm sure the other freepers on the site will soon chime in and act hysterical over this meaningless sound bite.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: Taco Chef]
    #10726360 - 07/23/09 01:11 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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yes; you're posting a meaningless thread about a few words to a question that shouldn't even have been asked at a news conference. OMG the president said some police acted stupidly, which they did.

the only reason you're posting this is to try and stir up white resentment...and i'm sure the other freepers on the site will soon chime in and act hysterical over this meaningless sound bite.





how did the Police act stupidly?


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: Taco Chef]
    #10726378 - 07/23/09 01:15 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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yes; you're posting a meaningless thread about a few words to a question that shouldn't even have been asked at a news conference. OMG the president said some police acted stupidly, which they did.




Really?  Not from what I read.  Some elitist Harvard twat got all classist with a cop checking out a reported break in.  He channeled his inner Al Sharpton and started yelling racist.  But what is of more import is that the idiot President said he didn't know what happened and then went on.  He's a stupid man with prejudged notions of any conflict between a black man and a cop.
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the only reason you're posting this is to try and stir up white resentment...and i'm sure the other freepers on the site will soon chime in and act hysterical over this meaningless sound bite.




President Stupid should not be passing judgment on any local police matter, especially ones he knows nothing about involving his race baiting friends.  He, by the sheer weight of his office, prejudices any following legal matter.  Previous Presidents knew this.  Even ones who weren't lawyers, although Nixon did fuck up with Manson.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: lonestar2004]
    #10726381 - 07/23/09 01:16 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

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yes; you're posting a meaningless thread about a few words to a question that shouldn't even have been asked at a news conference. OMG the president said some police acted stupidly, which they did.

the only reason you're posting this is to try and stir up white resentment...and i'm sure the other freepers on the site will soon chime in and act hysterical over this meaningless sound bite.





how did the Police act stupidly?




He arrested a guy on his own porch for disorderly conduct because he was raising his voice. You don't find that fucked up? They even dropped the charges because it was clearly stupid to arrest him. Disorderly conduct is bullshit and should done away with as a crime.

Sure, the guy was a dumb nagger but the cops should have just left the guy's property.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: d33p]
    #10726388 - 07/23/09 01:17 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

of course they find it fucked up. but any excuse to try and attack the president.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: Taco Chef]
    #10726422 - 07/23/09 01:24 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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of course they find it fucked up. but any excuse to try and attack the president.




Well, obama's reply was retarded. We already know Obama's retarded but there's no reason not to call him out on this. It was one of the more insignificant things he said that night though.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: d33p]
    #10726427 - 07/23/09 01:25 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i see your point but gates was obviously being an ass.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: lonestar2004]
    #10726446 - 07/23/09 01:30 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

we all would be acting the same way in that situation. i don't feel like i need to prove to the cops that i own the house i live in...

the real person in the story with a problem is the neighbor who called 911.

edit: i mean, how do you not know who your neighbors are?


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: Taco Chef]
    #10726492 - 07/23/09 01:40 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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we all would be acting the same way in that situation. i don't feel like i need to prove to the cops that i own the house i live in...

the real person in the story with a problem is the neighbor who called 911.

edit: i mean, how do you not know who your neighbors are?




They were breaking into the house...

After the fact, Gates said he was glad the cops were called and came to investigate.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: d33p]
    #10726502 - 07/23/09 01:42 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

all im saying is wouldn't you be able to tell your neighbor apart from random strangers?


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    #10726522 - 07/23/09 01:45 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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all im saying is wouldn't you be able to tell your neighbor apart from random strangers?




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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: d33p]
    #10726536 - 07/23/09 01:48 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

don't go outside much?


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: Taco Chef]
    #10726577 - 07/23/09 01:56 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

just moved

But I don't care to know my neighbors anyways.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: Taco Chef]
    #10726669 - 07/23/09 02:15 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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the real person in the story with a problem is the neighbor who called 911.

edit: i mean, how do you not know who your neighbors are?





i thought the same thing! :grin: but then i know people just like d33p.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: lonestar2004]
    #10726751 - 07/23/09 02:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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all I'm saying is wouldn't you be able to tell your neighbor apart from random strangers?




Um, if you haven't noticed, they all look the same. Pissed because you have to prove to the cops you live there? Someone saw a guy breaking into a house, the cops were called, and he was asked to prove he lived there. Whats wrong with that? If he was the perp and the cops didn't ask him for his identification and he went on to rob the place, then I'm sure they would be held accountable also.

If cops are no longer able to ask someone who was seen breaking into a house for id then I'm going to start breaking into houses. Uh officer this is my house, I don't care if the neighbors saw me breaking into it, no I won't prove I live here, now go away, bitch ass honkey, racist 5/0, why U gotsa be sweatin' a naggah? I'm sure if the prof was white this wouldn't even have made the news, then again, I'm sure a white prof wouldn't have immediately called him a racist, done the negro I'm persecuted song and dance, and told him what to do with his mama.

By the way what difference does it make that this asswipe taught at Harvard? Like it makes any difference, as if he can't be a typical loudmouth jackass negro due to his place of employment. Hell I believe Marian Barry has a doctorate in organic chemistry. Yet he gets busted for corruption, taking kickbacks, stalking, and smoking crack with a whore at motel 6. Nigga Pleeeze!!

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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: Therian]
    #10726814 - 07/23/09 02:49 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

The officer then asked Gates to come out onto the front porch and talk with him and the HARVARD professor was reported to have said, “No, I will not!” and,

“I’ll speak with your mama outside!”


:rofl2:


is that what they teach at Harvard? no wonder Obama is such an idiot.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: lonestar2004]
    #10726824 - 07/23/09 02:53 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

they all look the same


who all looks the same?


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    #10727027 - 07/23/09 03:41 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i think you know what he meant. :thumbdown:


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    #10727103 - 07/23/09 03:54 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: lonestar2004]
    #10727357 - 07/23/09 04:45 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know the specifics but the fact that this man is a Black Harvard Professor has nothing to do with the case.  The fact is that he was seen breaking into his house because he had no keys..  Neighbors called the cops and when they arrived they met a confrontational man who was uncooperative.

In no way should the cops have to put up with this mans attitude when all they were doing was trying to protect his assets.  I'm sure that the level of his attitude was enough to convince the cops that they had the right to cuff him and charge him. 

Ill bet anything that if we were to watch a video of the incident, even Obama would be embarrassed at how this prominent black Harvard professor acted.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: GabbaDj]
    #10727433 - 07/23/09 04:57 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

From the below article:  "This suggests that something happened that should not have happened," Cambridge Mayor E. Denise Simmons said on CNN's "American Morning." "The situation is certainly unfortunate. This can't happen again in Cambridge."


What can't happen again in Cambridge?  No one can ever be arrested on a disorderly persons charge?  This whole thing is beyond ridiculous; based on the police report (which I believe is accurate) the officer followed protocol, and was actually walking away to leave the scene, but Gates wouldn't stop screaming at him, even insulting his mother.

Gates is claiming racism, but he's the one injected race into this whole mess.  Gates called the police officer a racist when the police officer initially arrived on the scene and asked to see ID.  This is completely unacceptable, and, while I'm not a fan of LEO's in general, the spotlight should be on Gates, not this cop.  The police officer should be calling Gates a racist, and not vice versa.



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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: GabbaDj]
    #10727449 - 07/23/09 05:00 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

He isn't just a professor of any old bullshit.  He headed the African American studies department for many years.  He is a well trained racialist grievance monger of the highest sort.  Meanwhile the cop, apparently, has been running and teaching anti-profiling seminars for years.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090723/ap_on_re_us/us_harvard_scholar_disorderly_51

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CAMBRIDGE, Mass. – The white police sergeant criticized by President Barack Obama for arresting black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. in his Massachusetts home is a police academy expert on understanding racial profiling.

Cambridge Sgt. James Crowley has taught a class about racial profiling for five years at the Lowell Police Academy after being hand-picked for the job by former police Commissioner Ronny Watson, who is black, said Academy Director Thomas Fleming.

"I have nothing but the highest respect for him as a police officer. He is very professional and he is a good role model for the young recruits in the police academy," Fleming told The Associated Press on Thursday.

The course, called "Racial Profiling," teaches about different cultures that officers could encounter in their community "and how you don't want to single people out because of their ethnic background or the culture they come from," Fleming said.

Obama has said the Cambridge officers "acted stupidly" in arresting Gates last week when they responded to his house after a woman reported a suspected break-in.

Crowley, 42, has maintained he did nothing wrong and has refused to apologize, as Gates has demanded.

Crowley responded to Gates' home near Harvard University last week to investigate a report of a burglary and demanded Gates show him identification. Police say Gates at first refused, flew into a rage and accused the officer of racism.




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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: Gogol]
    #10727548 - 07/23/09 05:14 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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From the below article:  "This suggests that something happened that should not have happened," Cambridge Mayor E. Denise Simmons said on CNN's "American Morning." "The situation is certainly unfortunate. This can't happen again in Cambridge."


What can't happen again in Cambridge?  No one can ever be arrested on a disorderly persons charge?  This whole thing is beyond ridiculous; based on the police report (which I believe is accurate) the officer followed protocol, and was actually walking away to leave the scene, but Gates wouldn't stop screaming at him, even insulting his mother.

Gates is claiming racism, but he's the one injected race into this whole mess.  Gates called the police officer a racist when the police officer initially arrived on the scene and asked to see ID.  This is completely unacceptable, and, while I'm not a fan of LEO's in general, the spotlight should be on Gates, not this cop.  The police officer should be calling Gates a racist, and not vice versa.



http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/23/gates.arrest.mayor/index.html





Exactly.  Also, dropping the charges was a big mistake.  The guy was out of line and he is not going to let this go.  He should have to go in front of a judge and learn the hard way that his actions were not appropriate and racism had nothing to do with this at all.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: Therian]
    #10727642 - 07/23/09 05:30 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Um, if you haven't noticed, they all look the same.




Grow up, child.

I know your white persecution syndrome is easy to have when you're worthless at pretty much everything in life, but c'mon now.  The ignorance and stupidity is just kind of blinding.


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    #10727761 - 07/23/09 05:51 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Cambridge Sgt. James Crowley has taught a class about racial profiling for five years at the Lowell Police Academy after being hand-picked for the job by former police Commissioner Ronny Watson, who is black, said Academy Director Thomas Fleming.







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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: lonestar2004]
    #10728523 - 07/23/09 08:16 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

OBAMA TELLS IT HOW IT IS
check it out new news footage of him responding to his earlier statement
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    #10728577 - 07/23/09 08:29 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

> Obama said, "I don't know, not having been there ...

Which begs the quesiton, why the f@#$ are you making a comment if you don't know?


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    #10728634 - 07/23/09 08:37 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10730355 - 07/24/09 01:34 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Ooh no, I've been called a child AND been given the angry french fry face, for what shall I do? Actually I think I could use your help. I am attempting to over a new leaf and drop my "racist" ways and rid myself of this white persecution syndrome. I would like to become a highly respected, world renowned, civil rights leader and humanitarian. Much like the ones we have now that meet with foreign leaders and also have the ear of the president of the united states. I would like to fight for the rights of the common man and ensure equality in our society.

The quandary I find myself having is which well respected non-biased, non partisan, leader to emulate. I know there are several that the black community has canonized. I know saying they all look alike is sooo horrible, so what do I have to do to lose my evil racist ways and become one of these great leaders?

I thought about perhaps emulating Farrakhan or perhaps the civil rights icon Jesse Jackson. I guess I'll have to drop the looking alike comment and just come out like they have and call all whites blue eyed devils, of course the Jews are nothing but bloodsucking parasites, they are Satan himself, they are nothing but Himies living in Himie town. Blacks then need to "storm the white house" to "get their own country established".  But I'm dismayed, I thought segregation was a white racist ideal, why would these wonderful non-racist leaders condone this?

Then I though about modeling myself after the Rev. Sharpton, you know the one who now works with Obama, visits him at the white house, the one Obama said that he is friends with and has supported his national action network. I guess my frail statements wont be enough. I'm going to have to call congressmen "nigger whores" or call whites "cracker whores, recycled white trash, etc." I'll have to find a way to get a young girl naked, shove her in a garbage bag and cover her with dog shit. Then I can blame white congressmen, District attorneys and cops for the "crime" of battery, gang rape, etc. I'll just drop the derogatory  Jew banter as it is too numerous to mention. I will just incite violence amongst my followers and have them burn many people alive, shoot others, and of course stab an innocent Jew bastard to death on the streets.

I can stand outside the courthouse when the central park jogger victim is in court and call her a lying white whore. I can scream that she is a racist because obviously her boyfriend did it. Of course there were other cracker whores that were mangled and slashed by black perps, but they too were racist, and the blacks were innocent, regardless of the eyewitnesses. But once again I'm dismayed I thought those preaching tolerance,equality, and non racist behaviors would not call others cracker whores,Satan, jew bastards, white trash etc.

Well there is always M.L.King. The problem is that he would embezzle contribution money meant for the civil right cause and buy alcohol and hookers with it, committing adultery continuously on his sex parties. As a matter of fact on his last night alive he screwed two hookers and beat the shit out of another. Also since I have already received my degree, I can't therefore completely plagiarize my doctorate dissertation as did he. I could be like Gores campaign manager and call all congressmen "white boys" but its ok blacks can't be racists. And these are the civil rights "heroes" that blacks look up to, and kids in school are meant to revere?

As for white persecution, I don't know what to say. Minorities have been given preferences when it comes to admissions to college, acquiring jobs, attaining government contracts, and so on. Simply based on the color of their skin. Didn't MLK himself say people should be judged by content of character vs. skin color? Now I'm really confused, it seems like a contradiction to what this great civil rights leader had in mind. All this is done at the expense of white candidates that usually score higher and are more capable than those given special consideration. If not, then why do they need these preference points?

The ex secretary of labor and adviser of Obama R.Reich stated that he didn't want to see the stimulus money going to white construction workers. But I though Obama was looking for racial equality? Can you imagine if Bush called out a particular race that he didn't want to see get money from the stim package. Holy shit, yes I want everyone to foot the bill for the stimulus package, but I don't want to see any white males receiving any benefits from it. You know it is because white construction workers have always had so much cash, political clout, and influence that they need to be reigned in. Are these whites not being persecuted based solely on their skin color?


It's ironic that redstorm,with limited intellectual acuity would bring up a persecution issue. When this Harvard prof got in the cops face and began belittling him, and taunting him what did he think would happen? Then when he gets arrested he squeals about being persecuted, and racism, and being guilty of the crime of being black in America. Same cry racism/be the perpetrator and victim simultaneously negro bullshit.


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Grow up, child.

I know your white persecution syndrome is easy to have when you're worthless at pretty much everything in life, but c'mon now.  The ignorance and stupidity is just kind of blinding.


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I've noticed you like to call other people children quite frequently, often with nothing to add. It seems you are the one with some sort of complex. Doing so doesn't make you seem worldly, wise, or intelligent, it just seems your trying too hard.

And no redstorm, I can't tell them apart and I have no desire to do so. Perhaps you may have the need, as I'm sure 3or4 of your boyfriends are most likely black, when you can tell them apart and call them by name does it make them feel special??  When you are on all fours to service them and they are lined up behind you does it really matter?

No I wouldn't say I'm worthless at everything in life, there are some things I'm very good at, just go out on the porch and ask your mama, she'll tell you so. Just be sure to give her the chance to swallow first.

Please, oh please not another angry french fry or your evil condescending tone.


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    #10731141 - 07/24/09 05:13 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Ooh no, I've been called a child AND been given the angry french fry face, for what shall I do? Actually I think I could use your help. I am attempting to over a new leaf and drop my "racist" ways and rid myself of this white persecution syndrome. I would like to become a highly respected, world renowned, civil rights leader and humanitarian. Much like the ones we have now that meet with foreign leaders and also have the ear of the president of the united states. I would like to fight for the rights of the common man and ensure equality in our society.

The quandary I find myself having is which well respected non-biased, non partisan, leader to emulate. I know there are several that the black community has canonized. I know saying they all look alike is sooo horrible, so what do I have to do to lose my evil racist ways and become one of these great leaders?

I thought about perhaps emulating Farrakhan or perhaps the civil rights icon Jesse Jackson. I guess I'll have to drop the looking alike comment and just come out like they have and call all whites blue eyed devils, of course the Jews are nothing but bloodsucking parasites, they are Satan himself, they are nothing but Himies living in Himie town. Blacks then need to "storm the white house" to "get their own country established".  But I'm dismayed, I thought segregation was a white racist ideal, why would these wonderful non-racist leaders condone this?

Then I though about modeling myself after the Rev. Sharpton, you know the one who now works with Obama, visits him at the white house, the one Obama said that he is friends with and has supported his national action network. I guess my frail statements wont be enough. I'm going to have to call congressmen "nigger whores" or call whites "cracker whores, recycled white trash, etc." I'll have to find a way to get a young girl naked, shove her in a garbage bag and cover her with dog shit. Then I can blame white congressmen, District attorneys and cops for the "crime" of battery, gang rape, etc. I'll just drop the derogatory  Jew banter as it is too numerous to mention. I will just incite violence amongst my followers and have them burn many people alive, shoot others, and of course stab an innocent Jew bastard to death on the streets.

I can stand outside the courthouse when the central park jogger victim is in court and call her a lying white whore. I can scream that she is a racist because obviously her boyfriend did it. Of course there were other cracker whores that were mangled and slashed by black perps, but they too were racist, and the blacks were innocent, regardless of the eyewitnesses. But once again I'm dismayed I thought those preaching tolerance,equality, and non racist behaviors would not call others cracker whores,Satan, jew bastards, white trash etc.

Well there is always M.L.King. The problem is that he would embezzle contribution money meant for the civil right cause and buy alcohol and hookers with it, committing adultery continuously on his sex parties. As a matter of fact on his last night alive he screwed two hookers and beat the shit out of another. Also since I have already received my degree, I can't therefore completely plagiarize my doctorate dissertation as did he. I could be like Gores campaign manager and call all congressmen "white boys" but its ok blacks can't be racists. And these are the civil rights "heroes" that blacks look up to, and kids in school are meant to revere?

As for white persecution, I don't know what to say. Minorities have been given preferences when it comes to admissions to college, acquiring jobs, attaining government contracts, and so on. Simply based on the color of their skin. Didn't MLK himself say people should be judged by content of character vs. skin color? Now I'm really confused, it seems like a contradiction to what this great civil rights leader had in mind. All this is done at the expense of white candidates that usually score higher and are more capable than those given special consideration. If not, then why do they need these preference points?

The ex secretary of labor and adviser of Obama R.Reich stated that he didn't want to see the stimulus money going to white construction workers. But I though Obama was looking for racial equality? Can you imagine if Bush called out a particular race that he didn't want to see get money from the stim package. Holy shit, yes I want everyone to foot the bill for the stimulus package, but I don't want to see any white males receiving any benefits from it. You know it is because white construction workers have always had so much cash, political clout, and influence that they need to be reigned in. Are these whites not being persecuted based solely on their skin color?


It's ironic that redstorm,with limited intellectual acuity would bring up a persecution issue. When this Harvard prof got in the cops face and began belittling him, and taunting him what did he think would happen? Then when he gets arrested he squeals about being persecuted, and racism, and being guilty of the crime of being black in America. Same cry racism/be the perpetrator and victim simultaneously negro bullshit.


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I know your white persecution syndrome is easy to have when you're worthless at pretty much everything in life, but c'mon now.  The ignorance and stupidity is just kind of blinding.


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I've noticed you like to call other people children quite frequently, often with nothing to add. It seems you are the one with some sort of complex. Doing so doesn't make you seem worldly, wise, or intelligent, it just seems your trying too hard.

And no redstorm, I can't tell them apart and I have no desire to do so. Perhaps you may have the need, as I'm sure 3or4 of your boyfriends are most likely black, when you can tell them apart and call them by name does it make them feel special??  When you are on all fours to service them and they are lined up behind you does it really matter?

No I wouldn't say I'm worthless at everything in life, there are some things I'm very good at, just go out on the porch and ask your mama, she'll tell you so. Just be sure to give her the chance to swallow first.

Please, oh please not another angry french fry or your evil condescending tone.



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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: doodoomaster]
    #10731261 - 07/24/09 05:56 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

What I want to know is why Obama even commented on this incident. It's not his job to watch over these tiny events, he has to look at the entire picture, statistics. What is he gonna voice his opinion on EVERY arrest for his entire presidency? Is he gonna come to my house and tell me I'm not cooking my steak right? I get it, your black, people are racist, but he fucking jumped at the chance to defend a black guy who from what I can tell in the report was being the stupid one. The exact same thing would happen to ANYONE who proceeded to yell at a cop in a public setting.

I guess I can kind of understand what Obama is trying to do. Hes trying to make us all disgusted with our selfs for letting racist things happen. He did it at the wrong incident though.

If a cop came to MY door after saying there was a reported burglary call I wouldn't say fuck you this is my house. I would be more courteous of someone who was looking out for the safety of my fucking house.

I would have expected more of a Harvard professor.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: lowsodium]
    #10731321 - 07/24/09 06:44 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

> What I want to know is why Obama even commented on this incident.

To show the black people that voted for that he was still one of them and can empathize with their struggles.  Always gotta look out for that next election...

The sad thing is that is how cops behave, regardless of skin color.  If I had been the one giving the cop attitude, he would have done the same thing to me.  Obama could have made this a real issue about police overstepping their authority if he had dropped the race card.  Instead, he made it about race and not about police behavior in general.  As Zappa said, more or less, typical of this waste of a president.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: Seuss]
    #10731478 - 07/24/09 08:14 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

The cop said he asked him to step outside for his own safety
thats fucked up
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    #10731602 - 07/24/09 09:00 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

He didn't force him anywhere.  The cop was getting uncomfortable because with the asshole yelling at him inside he couldn't radio.  Cops are trained to be wary of apparently deranged assholes and that is most definitely what the race baiting punk Gates was.  Throw in Gates' class warfare remark "Do you know who I am?" and you clearly have a case of criminal douchery.  He was interfering with a police officer doing his job, i.e. investigating a reported break-in.

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    #10731791 - 07/24/09 10:13 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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    #10731962 - 07/24/09 11:23 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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    #10732300 - 07/24/09 01:08 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Obama made a mistake calling the police stupid and I think he knows this. It will be interesting to see if he has the integrity to admit it and apologize for making a damning public comment about something he "[doesn't know about], not having been there and not seeing all the facts".

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CAMBRIDGE, Massachusetts (CNN)  -- President Obama should apologize to members of the Cambridge Police Department for saying they acted stupidly, the president of the city's police union said Friday.

Dennis O'Connor, president of the Cambridge Police Superior Officers Association, said at a news conference that Obama should not have criticized officers' actions in last week's arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr.

Sgt. James Crowley, the officer who arrested Gates for disorderly conduct, has previously said he was dismayed by the president's remarks and that Obama had offended police in Cambridge and elsewhere.

"I was a little surprised and disappointed that the president, who didn't have all of the facts by his own admission, then weighed in on the events of that night and made a comment that really offended not just officers in the Cambridge Police Department but officers around the country," Crowley told CNN affiliate WHDH-TV in Boston.

Obama, however, stood by his comment, saying he is "surprised by the controversy surrounding" it.

"I think it was a pretty straightforward commentary that you probably don't need to handcuff a guy, a middle-aged man who uses a cane, who's in his own home," Obama told ABC's "Nightline."

When Obama waded into the story by answering a question about it during his news conference Wednesday night, he admitted that he "may be a little biased" because Gates is a friend.

"I don't know all the facts," he also conceded.

He said he did not know what role race played, but "the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home."

Crowley, in the police report about the incident, said Gates refused to cooperate with him and repeatedly accusing him of racism when he went to Gates' home following a report of a possible break-in July 16.

Crowley said he tried to determine whether there was someone else at the home and wanted to ensure Gates' safety.

Gates, however, told him "that I had no idea who I was 'messing' with" and was being so loud that he could not give pertinent information to the department when he was calling in, the sergeant said.

Authorities have said they may release tapes of the officer calling in, in which Gates is heard in the background

Crowley's report said that when he asked to speak with Gates outside, the professor at one point responded, "I'll speak with your mama outside."

Gates' attorney, Charles Ogletree, said the professor never made such a remark.

The full story will show that Gates did nothing wrong -- and that Crowley did not identify himself at first, Ogletree said.

Gates said Wednesday he would listen to Crowley "if he would tell the truth about what he did, about the distortions that he fabricated in the police report. I would be prepared as a human being to forgive him."

Crowley has said he will not apologize. The police incident report states that Crowley twice provided his name to Gates, who subsequently asked for it two more times.

Gates ultimately was arrested for disorderly conduct, but the department later dropped the charges.

Cambridge police Commissioner Robert Haas said he "deeply regrets" the arrest but stands by the procedures his department followed.

"I trust [Crowley's] judgment implicitly. He is a stellar officer," Haas said.

He added the department is "very proud about its diversity within this community and how hard we've worked over the years to build a strong, solid relationship [between] the department and the community."

Haas said he agreed with Crowley about Obama's remarks.

"I have to tell you the officers take that very personally and basically feel hurt by that comment. We truly are trying to do the best service we can to the community and sometimes we make mistakes. We're human. But we learn from those mistakes and we move on," he said.

Numerous police officers, including African-Americans, have spoken up on Crowley's behalf and portrayed him as a good and fair officer. Crowley, who is white, had once been chosen by a black police officer to teach a police academy course on ways to avoid racial profiling.

Obama said he had heard of Crowley's record, saying, "I don't know all the extenuating circumstances, and as I said, I respect what police officers do. From what I can tell, the sergeant who was involved is an outstanding police officer, but my suspicion is probably it would have been better if cooler heads prevailed."

Gates' legal team argues that authorities are misrepresenting the professor and the officer, and Gates has said he is determined to keep the issue alive despite the charges being dropped.

"This is not about me; this is about the vulnerability of black men in America," he said this week.

Ogletree said Gates might sue the department and would bring forward witnesses who say they've had similar experiences with Crowley.

When asked for examples, Ogletree said only that they may come out in time depending on how the police department handles the situation moving forward.

"I think you will be hearing much more complex and different perspective on him [Crowley] in the coming days and weeks," Ogletree said, alleging that Crowley "is well-known among people, particularly young people, for some of his police practices."

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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: Diploid]
    #10732397 - 07/24/09 01:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

You'd think a black Harvard professor of all people would recognize the importance of interacting with the police in a lawful, considerate way.

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    #10732449 - 07/24/09 01:43 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Obama made a mistake calling the police stupid and I think he knows this. It will be interesting to see if he has the integrity to admit it and apologize for making a damning public comment about something he "[doesn't know about], not having been there and not seeing all the facts".







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    #10732453 - 07/24/09 01:44 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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You'd think a black Harvard professor of all people would recognize the importance of interacting with the police in a lawful, considerate way.

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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: lonestar2004]
    #10732571 - 07/24/09 02:09 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

A black Harvard professor of African American Grievances also recognizes how easy it is to get recognized just by screaming "RACE" in a crowded theater and just how many assholes will buy into it right away, which said group of assholes now, unfortunately, includes the President of Whitey Sucks. 

I think it was Ann Althouse who asked about the ID he initially showed.  If it was a college ID it would have his picture but not his address.  Since the issue in question was whether it was his house, that ID is clearly inadequate.  Unless you make a class judgment that all Harvard professors are above question, which seemed to be where Gates' "do you know who I am" moment came from.  The man is quite clearly an asshole.


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    #10732610 - 07/24/09 02:18 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

“There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs-partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”

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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10732636 - 07/24/09 02:23 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yep. it was Ann Althouse and she found an answer.
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2009/07/whats-missing-from-this-nyt-article.html

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If the ID did not show the address of the house that had been broken into, then Crowley's continuing investigation into whether Gates really lived there was perfectly reasonable. (Or do you — did Gates? — think that affiliation with Harvard University should end the matter?) Moreover, Gates's belligerence and presentation of himself as a person too important to be questioned should have heightened Crowley's suspicion that Gates didn't live there. While a person who really lived in the house might get outraged, many — I think most — would respect the need to make sure that there was no crime in progress and quickly find something in the house — such as an addressed envelope — that connected the name to the address.




And:

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ADDED: In this radio interview, Crowley — at around 6:30 — says that he was shown only a Harvard ID, which had no no address and that an ID with an address "would have been helpful." Thanks to commenter Mike for pointing me there. Bearbee, the commenter, points me to Gates's interview with his daughter, in which Gates says:

    ... I got out my Harvard ID and my Massachusetts driver’s license which includes my address and I handed them to him.

So there is a real factual dispute here. (Also: My lawyer's eye catches the phrase "my address" and makes me want to ask the follow up: "By 'my address,' do you mean the address of the house Crowley was questioning you about?")




Gates at one point tries to assert membership in a priveleged clas, Harvard professors, while almost immediately after tries to claim persecution as a member of a victim class.  The guy is clearly one of the all time assholes right up there with Al Sharpton.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10733717 - 07/24/09 05:40 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Obama called the officer on the phone
and Obama said by talking to him over the phone he could tell he was a good person
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    #10733743 - 07/24/09 05:45 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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> and Obama said by talking to him over the phone he could tell he was a good person

"I looked the man in the eye. I was able to get a sense of his soul."
"I talked to him over the phone.  I could tell he was a good person."

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    #10735356 - 07/24/09 11:05 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I can't understand the posters here who are criticizing the man for not talking to the police.


He was on his property and had every right to ignore them.  I would have done the same.


Sounds like bullying and bullshit from the police, based on what I've seen hear.  Sounds like they percipitate a situation and then overreact to it.  If it was neccesary to cite him for disorderly conduct, then whatever, but it certainly seems the repsonse was poor.


Whether he was obligated to identify himself or not, likely he was, he still should not have to.  I would also have told the police to leave my property. 


The police seem to cause more harm than good all the times I've seen them act.  It certainly seems that they are worse than the criminals as far as their affect on me and those I've seen interact with them, and in that regard they need a serious change.  Seems like many areas have far too many police if they have the resources to enforce their ego rather than the law.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: johnm214]
    #10735503 - 07/24/09 11:34 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I can't understand the posters here who are criticizing the man for not talking to the police.


He was on his property and had every right to ignore them.  I would have done the same.


Sounds like bullying and bullshit from the police, based on what I've seen hear.  Sounds like they percipitate a situation and then overreact to it.  If it was neccesary to cite him for disorderly conduct, then whatever, but it certainly seems the repsonse was poor.


Whether he was obligated to identify himself or not, likely he was, he still should not have to.  I would also have told the police to leave my property. 


The police seem to cause more harm than good all the times I've seen them act.  It certainly seems that they are worse than the criminals as far as their affect on me and those I've seen interact with them, and in that regard they need a serious change.  Seems like many areas have far too many police if they have the resources to enforce their ego rather than the law.




while I agree with some of your points like the police cause more harm than good. I don't agree with your main point. Its not like the police were just cruising looking for someone to harass, they got a call of burglary. they aren't just going to leave because the guy claims he lives there.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: danielx]
    #10736041 - 07/25/09 01:29 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Well I don't really know if I agree with your assesment or not, I'd need to learn more about this, butthe fact that they arrested the man seems quite suspect.


At the point they were aware of who he was, it does indeed seem that if he wants them to leave that is his right, burglars or not.  They can sit on the street and figure out what to do, but to stay on his porch, if this is what they did, seems improper.


Then, they arrest him.  Why?  Would a citation not have sufficed if he was causing trouble?  Considering they knew who he was, what would arrest accomplish?  The charges reamined the same, and he was on his own property, so I can't see what arrest would do but reinforce a police officer's ego.


Once the property owner says leave, the police need to make a decision whether they have cause to stay and communicate that decision.  Given they likely had no excusable cause to be in the house, nor on the property, when the guy said GTFO, they needed to leave.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: johnm214]
    #10737201 - 07/25/09 11:07 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I can't understand the posters here who are criticizing the man for not talking to the police.


He was on his property and had every right to ignore them.  I would have done the same.


Sounds like bullying and bullshit from the police, based on what I've seen hear.  Sounds like they percipitate a situation and then overreact to it.  If it was neccesary to cite him for disorderly conduct, then whatever, but it certainly seems the repsonse was poor.


Whether he was obligated to identify himself or not, likely he was, he still should not have to.  I would also have told the police to leave my property. 


The police seem to cause more harm than good all the times I've seen them act.  It certainly seems that they are worse than the criminals as far as their affect on me and those I've seen interact with them, and in that regard they need a serious change.  Seems like many areas have far too many police if they have the resources to enforce their ego rather than the law.




Granted.  However, I think it makes sense though, when police get a call of a house being burglarized, that they would check to make sure the occupants live there.  I don't comprehend how why would think that a potential burglar should not have to identify himself.  If this was the case, burglars would have no fear of getting caught when breaking into others homes, when the owner are not present.  Furthermore, Gates didn't even own the house; he was a renter, so it was possible his neighbors didn't even know who he was.

Now, I don't know whether he should have been arrested.  He recently got off a long flight and found himself locked out of his house.  I would probably be irritated if a cop came to my house right after I had just entered.  However, what upsets me is that Gates is claiming racism, when the behavior he exhibited is disgusting.

Furthermore, if you read the police report, you would see that even after Gates had verbally abused the cop for a while.  Even after Gates insulted the cop's mother, the police officer was walking away to leave the scene.  However, even as he was walking away, Gates still continued to berate him. 

Cops overstep their bounds everyday, and try to take advantage of US citizens; however, I don't think that this was the case here.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: johnm214]
    #10737401 - 07/25/09 12:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I can't understand the posters here who are criticizing the man for not talking to the police.


He was on his property and had every right to ignore them.  I would have done the same.




The officer was responding to a report of a burglary in progress.  A witness reported unknown persons breaking into a house.  Is he supposed to ignore that?  Your position is ridiculous and dangerous for children and other people.
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Sounds like bullying and bullshit from the police, based on what I've seen hear.  Sounds like they percipitate a situation and then overreact to it.  If it was neccesary to cite him for disorderly conduct, then whatever, but it certainly seems the repsonse was poor.




No it was bullying and bullshit from a professional race baiting asshole.
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Whether he was obligated to identify himself or not, likely he was, he still should not have to.  I would also have told the police to leave my property.




Then you are very foolish.  What if I break into your house while you are there.  The cops come.  I have you tied up in the closet.  I tell the cops it's my house and they can fuck off.  They leave.  I sodomize you with a flashlight.  I wonder how you would feel about what the cops should do then.
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The police seem to cause more harm than good all the times I've seen them act.  It certainly seems that they are worse than the criminals as far as their affect on me and those I've seen interact with them, and in that regard they need a serious change.  Seems like many areas have far too many police if they have the resources to enforce their ego rather than the law.




You have unfortunate experiences but, then again, your aforementioned attitude to how they should respond to a reported break-in is so far beyond rational as to call into question any statement you might make regarding proper police behavior.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: johnm214]
    #10737570 - 07/25/09 12:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Whether he was obligated to identify himself or not, likely he was, he still should not have to.

You haven't thought this through, I think. Nobody should have to identify themselves to the police when there's a reported break-in? Are you serious?

I think that if a couple of black guys had broken into that house and the police didn't ask them to identify themselves after they claimed to live there, we'd be reading a thread about white police inaction because it was a black guy's house that was broken into.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: johnm214]
    #10738833 - 07/25/09 06:52 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I can't understand the posters here who are criticizing the man for not talking to the police.


He was on his property and had every right to ignore them.  I would have done the same.


Sounds like bullying and bullshit from the police, based on what I've seen hear.  Sounds like they percipitate a situation and then overreact to it.  If it was neccesary to cite him for disorderly conduct, then whatever, but it certainly seems the repsonse was poor.


Whether he was obligated to identify himself or not, likely he was, he still should not have to.  I would also have told the police to leave my property. 


The police seem to cause more harm than good all the times I've seen them act.  It certainly seems that they are worse than the criminals as far as their affect on me and those I've seen interact with them, and in that regard they need a serious change.  Seems like many areas have far too many police if they have the resources to enforce their ego rather than the law.




Among the dumbest fucking things you have written here.

Someone breaks into your house. Cops come. Guy says he lives there. Cops say OK and leave. Tomorrow you come home from vacation to find you've been robbed. You find out the cops were there the night you were robbed and left because the guy says he lives there.

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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #10741183 - 07/26/09 03:33 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

What I've most enjoyed from this thread is the idea that professors of African-American Studies are necessarily professional race-baiters.


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    #10741416 - 07/26/09 04:38 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, look, a whole bunch of people claiming I said the police should leave and not investigate if someone tells them too and refuses to identify themselves.


Where did I say this?



The police have certain abilities.  If the guy refuses to identify himself, or refuses to furnish identification, then they need to leave the guy's property unless they have cause to remain.



"Getting a call of a burglary" is not per se justification for search of a house or the grounds.  If they have cause right then, they shoudl go in.  If they don't, they need to go get a warrant.





If the guy tells them to lave and to fuck off, they need to decide whether they have cause to do otherwise, and then do it. I never said the cops should ignore the situation once someone present claims to reside their.


Standing aroun bitching at some guy does nothing to investigate flashlight rape, and it seems to me this is what the cops did, which cuts against any claim of concern for the occupants and cause tosearch without a warrant.



I also have no idea why people are criticizing my comments because of the guy's stupid race batiting.  Your allowed to race bait on yoru own lawn.  The guy sounds like a jackass, but that doesn't change anything except possibly justify a citation if he's loud enough.


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    #10741569 - 07/26/09 05:40 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

About 4 months ago I was doing some work on an old house on the back part of my property. The old bag across the street called the pigs because I was "suspicious".
They didn't knock, they just walked in asked if I lived there, asked for I'd and then left.

Where's my week long coverage on CNN?

If I had refused ID and insulted the black cop I'd be arrested and charged with a hate crime. And I'd have a bunch of assholes calling me racist.

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    #10741979 - 07/26/09 09:56 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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What I've most enjoyed from this thread is the idea that professors of African-American Studies are necessarily professional race-baiters.



This one is.  Has been for some time.  This is not the first time I've heard of him.


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    #10742017 - 07/26/09 10:13 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Wow, look, a whole bunch of people claiming I said the police should leave and not investigate if someone tells them too and refuses to identify themselves.


Where did I say this?



The police have certain abilities.  If the guy refuses to identify himself, or refuses to furnish identification, then they need to leave the guy's property unless they have cause to remain.




I ask again, how are they supposed to know it is his property?  "Yes officer this is my house now kindly fuck off so I can plunge my flashlight into the real owner's anus."
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"Getting a call of a burglary" is not per se justification for search of a house or the grounds.  If they have cause right then, they shoudl go in.  If they don't, they need to go get a warrant.




You are stunningly ignorant of the law.  Nor did they ask to search the house.  They asked him to show that he lived there, he got belligerent and acted damn strangely.  My suspicion radar goes way the fuck up when someone acts that inappropriately and I'm not even a cop.

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If the guy tells them to lave and to fuck off, they need to decide whether they have cause to do otherwise, and then do it. I never said the cops should ignore the situation once someone present claims to reside their.

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He was on his property and had every right to ignore them.  I would have done the same.

Whether he was obligated to identify himself or not, likely he was, he still should not have to.  I would also have told the police to leave my property.








What do you call that?
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Standing aroun bitching at some guy does nothing to investigate flashlight rape, and it seems to me this is what the cops did, which cuts against any claim of concern for the occupants and cause tosearch without a warrant.



Another straw man.  It seems to me you are completely wrong on the facts.  The bitch was Gates, not the cop.  And I do not believe there was any request to search the property.  Just for Gates to identify himself and demonstrate that he belonged there.  Keep making shit up.
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I also have no idea why people are criticizing my comments because of the guy's stupid race batiting.  Your allowed to race bait on yoru own lawn.  The guy sounds like a jackass, but that doesn't change anything except possibly justify a citation if he's loud enough.




Yelling and screaming in public and interfering with a police officer in the course of his duties is against the law.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: johnm214]
    #10742745 - 07/26/09 01:29 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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The police have certain abilities.  If the guy refuses to identify himself, or refuses to furnish identification, then they need to leave the guy's property unless they have cause to remain.




If the guy refuses to ID himself after a call of a possible burglary in process, they have every reason to stay.

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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: lonestar2004]
    #10742755 - 07/26/09 01:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

lonestar is clearly a troll
if your in your own house you can say w/e u want to a police officer as long as you ain't  threatening  the police officer.:mad2:


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lonestar is clearly a troll
if your in your own house you can say w/e u want to a police officer as long as you ain't  threatening  the police officer.:mad2:




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    #10743396 - 07/26/09 04:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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if your in your own house you can say w/e u want to a police officer as long as you ain't  threatening  the police officer.:mad2:




good. just pm me your address so I can come rob your house. don't bother calling the police, because ill just tell them to fuck off because its my house now.



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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #10744725 - 07/26/09 08:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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You are stunningly ignorant of the law.  Nor did they ask to search the house.  They asked him to show that he lived there, he got belligerent and acted damn strangely.  My suspicion radar goes way the fuck up when someone acts that inappropriately and I'm not even a cop.








I disagree.  Please demosntrate I'm wrong on this issue as to whether a burglary report is per se justification for a search of a house, especially when the door is answered by someone who refuses entry.


I would appreciate a response given how forcefully you claim I'm wrong.

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I ask again, how are they supposed to know it is his property?  "Yes officer this is my house now kindly fuck off so I can plunge my flashlight into the real owner's anus."





I don't know and it doesn't matter.  The issue is not whether they know its hsi property but whether they had cause to remain and cause to enter the house.  Given they did not seem to be seeking a warrant, and the guy refused entry, they needed to decide whether they had cause to enter.  I'm guessing they didn't, but ti really doesn't matter.  Just cuz a crime may occur does not mean the police have a right to enter the house.





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The police have certain abilities.  If the guy refuses to identify himself, or refuses to furnish identification, then they need to leave the guy's property unless they have cause to remain.




If the guy refuses to ID himself after a call of a possible burglary in process, they have every reason to stay.

Or are you suggesting they simply take an unknown individuals word for it?






Thank you for being more civil, man.  I like you, but don't call me or my posting stupid, please.


No, I'm not suggesting they take his word for it.  'm sayign they need to make a decision whether to go in anyways, arrest the guy, or get a warrant.  To me it seems that the concern for the burglary was minor at the time the guy was arrested and that the police may have percipitated the situation by making demands they did not have cause to make, and becoming incensed at the response they recieved.


What I am saying is that standing around arguing with a guy is not an investigation, and does nothing to deal with the situation.  The guy probably was required to show ID, I'm not sure, but he had every right to tell them to leave, and it seems like the response to this (and the guy's other actions) was improper.  Basically I suspect they did not have any cause to enter the house and they instead were upset the guy wouldn't consent.  If he didn't show ID and was required to, that would be a far better thing to arrest the guy for.


I especially don't understand why he was arrested.  Was a citation not sufficient?


Basically, I doubt they had cause to search the house over his lack of consent, and in any case, they needed to either go in or seek a warrant rather than arguing with the guy when he tells them he lives there and to leave.  The fact that the law doesn't provide for police intervention in all burglaries when someone refuses entry is immaterial- crimes happen.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: johnm214]
    #10744777 - 07/26/09 09:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

> I especially don't understand why he was arrested. 

We will never know, but I suspect that it was "cop ego" and had absolutely nothing to do with race.  My guess is the cop was asking for ID in good faith to ensure a home invasion was not in progress.  Gates started to act like an asshole.  The cop responded by acting like a bigger asshole.  Ultimately, the cop showed Gates "who is boss" and arrested him on one of those "fit all" charges. The same thing would have happened to any of us if we acted like assholes in the same situation.  I also suspect that Gates was "trolling", trying to get a rise out of the cop so that he could scream racism.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: Seuss]
    #10745635 - 07/26/09 11:34 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, I suspect you are correct. 

Rather than trying to get a rise out of the cop though, don't you think its possible he really thought it was racism?  I've known folks who think they have it worse with cops cuz of their race, the fact that they have no infromation to back this up on other than supposition and their own experiences never seems to stop them.

I've had bad encounters with police and I'm white, I think other factors are more likely relevant for most cops, and if I had to guess, the cop just was incensed this guy didn't love him to death or cooperate fearfully and thus acted a bit rashly.



This guy seems like a fool, but I don't see what his race baiting has to do with whether the cops were justified in the arrest or whether their conduct was appropriate.  Its hard to see how the race baiting would be legitamately relevant to the situation in any way other than the volume et cet.


Much of the discussion on this issue seems to center around whether the guy should have done this or that, but I don't really see what that has to do with the cops arresting him for disorderly conduct.  Can anyone lay out what legitimate cause their was for the charge and why they needed to arrest?  The snippets I've seen weren't helpful.



(this issue also seems totally mundane, and I can't understand the national attention... is their any actual evidence of racism or dispartate treatment ont eh basis of race?  I haven't found any....)


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: johnm214]
    #10748020 - 07/27/09 10:09 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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You are stunningly ignorant of the law.  Nor did they ask to search the house.  They asked him to show that he lived there, he got belligerent and acted damn strangely.  My suspicion radar goes way the fuck up when someone acts that inappropriately and I'm not even a cop.








I disagree.  Please demosntrate I'm wrong on this issue as to whether a burglary report is per se justification for a search of a house, especially when the door is answered by someone who refuses entry.


I would appreciate a response given how forcefully you claim I'm wrong.




They didn't ask to search the house.  I do not believe Gates refused him entry.  Given A.  a report of a break-in and B.  Gates' bizarre behavior they did have justification to continue to suspect weirdness.
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I ask again, how are they supposed to know it is his property?  "Yes officer this is my house now kindly fuck off so I can plunge my flashlight into the real owner's anus."





I don't know and it doesn't matter.  The issue is not whether they know its hsi property but whether they had cause to remain and cause to enter the house.  Given they did not seem to be seeking a warrant, and the guy refused entry, they needed to decide whether they had cause to enter.  I'm guessing they didn't, but ti really doesn't matter.  Just cuz a crime may occur does not mean the police have a right to enter the house.




You don't know.  He didn't refuse entry, he refused to step outside and was reluctant to provide evidence that he lived there.  And then he continued to scream shit so much so that headquarters was unable to contact the officer and dispatched several cars.  You seem to have absolutely zero understanding of the facts of the case and are basing your complaint on things that didn't happen.
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The police have certain abilities.  If the guy refuses to identify himself, or refuses to furnish identification, then they need to leave the guy's property unless they have cause to remain.




If the guy refuses to ID himself after a call of a possible burglary in process, they have every reason to stay.

Or are you suggesting they simply take an unknown individuals word for it?






Thank you for being more civil, man.  I like you, but don't call me or my posting stupid, please.


No, I'm not suggesting they take his word for it.  'm sayign they need to make a decision whether to go in anyways, arrest the guy, or get a warrant.  To me it seems that the concern for the burglary was minor at the time the guy was arrested and that the police may have percipitated the situation by making demands they did not have cause to make, and becoming incensed at the response they recieved.


What I am saying is that standing around arguing with a guy is not an investigation, and does nothing to deal with the situation.  The guy probably was required to show ID, I'm not sure, but he had every right to tell them to leave, and it seems like the response to this (and the guy's other actions) was improper.  Basically I suspect they did not have any cause to enter the house and they instead were upset the guy wouldn't consent.  If he didn't show ID and was required to, that would be a far better thing to arrest the guy for.


I especially don't understand why he was arrested.  Was a citation not sufficient?


Basically, I doubt they had cause to search the house over his lack of consent, and in any case, they needed to either go in or seek a warrant rather than arguing with the guy when he tells them he lives there and to leave.  The fact that the law doesn't provide for police intervention in all burglaries when someone refuses entry is immaterial- crimes happen.




THEY DIDN'T ASK TO SEARCH THE HOUSE.  THEY SIMPLY ASKED HIM TO PROVE HE LIVED THERE.  WHEN HE BECAME SO FUCKING AGITATED INSIDE THAT THE OFFICER COULDN'T RADIO HE ASKED HIM TO COME OUTSIDE.

Gates seemed to have some notion that by providing evidence that he was a Hahvuhd prof he was automatically beyond suspicion even though it provided zero proof of his residency there.  At which point he went into high dudgeon mode.  Fuck him, he played the "elite" card before he played the "race" card and you know your hand sucks when those are all the cards you have.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: Seuss]
    #10748035 - 07/27/09 10:15 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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> I especially don't understand why he was arrested. 

We will never know, but I suspect that it was "cop ego" and had absolutely nothing to do with race.  My guess is the cop was asking for ID in good faith to ensure a home invasion was not in progress.  Gates started to act like an asshole.  The cop responded by acting like a bigger asshole.  Ultimately, the cop showed Gates "who is boss" and arrested him on one of those "fit all" charges. The same thing would have happened to any of us if we acted like assholes in the same situation.  I also suspect that Gates was "trolling", trying to get a rise out of the cop so that he could scream racism.




I do not see one single thing to support an assertion that the cop was an asshole.  All his fellow cops support him.  I do not subscribe to the all too prevalent belief among numerous miscreants here that all cops suck.  They have a dangerous job.  Some moron in the paaper said Gates is a little old man with a cane.  Do you know what a little old man with a cane and a gun can do?  Or maybe there was a gunman hiding in the house making Gates send the cop away.  I don't even necessarily think Gates was trolling.  I think he is a privileged brat who expected to get HIS dick sucked because he had a Hahvuhd ID.
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    #10748042 - 07/27/09 10:17 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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(this issue also seems totally mundane, and I can't understand the national attention... is their any actual evidence of racism or dispartate treatment ont eh basis of race?  I haven't found any....)




Finally, something sane.  This would be a near total non-issue if it wasn't for the Blabbermouth-in-Chief being an ignorant and incompetent asshole.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10748130 - 07/27/09 10:45 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10748306 - 07/27/09 11:33 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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THEY DIDN'T ASK TO SEARCH THE HOUSE.  THEY SIMPLY ASKED HIM TO PROVE HE LIVED THERE.  WHEN HE BECAME SO FUCKING AGITATED INSIDE THAT THE OFFICER COULDN'T RADIO HE ASKED HIM TO COME OUTSIDE.






The police don't have to ask for it to be a search.  It becomes a search whenever police violate someone's privacy interest.

According to the police report, the officer went in the house without a warrant.  However, if the officer believed that a felony was occurring (burglary) in the house, this could fall under an exception to the warrant requirement.

I'm not sure what Mass. Law is though.

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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: johnm214]
    #10748514 - 07/27/09 12:32 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Please demosntrate I'm wrong on this issue as to whether a burglary report is per se justification for a search of a house

Man, you guys are just arguing to argue and aren't even bothering to take the facts into account.

The cop did not search the house. He did not ask to search the house. Hell, he DIDN'T EVEN GO INSIDE the house.

Read the report again, especially this part:

"Gates opened the front door and exclaimed “why, because I’m a black man in America?”. I then asked Gates if there was anyone else in the residence. While yelling, he told me that it was none of my business and accused me of being a racist police officer. I assured Gates that I was responding to a citizen’s call to the Cambridge Police and that the caller was outside as we spoke.

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I asked Gates to provide me with photo identification so that I could verify that he resided at Ware Street and so that I could radio my findings to ECC. Gates initially refused, demanding that I show him identification but then did supply me with a Harvard University identification card. Upon learning that Gates was affiliated with Harvard, I radioed and requested the presence of the Harvard University Police.

With the Harvard University identification in hand, I radioed my findings to ECC on channel two and prepared to leave. Gates again asked for my name which I began to provide. Gates began to yell over my spoken words"


No house was searched, asked to be searched, or even fucking entered, yet you guys have your panties in a wad about a search that didn't happen. No, standing on someone's porch for the purpose of knocking on the door is not a search no matter how much you want to win the debate.

It's so typical of debate here that everyone argues with the goal of winning rather than finding the truth, whatever it may be, whether it jives with your worldview or not. :thumbdown:


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    #10748531 - 07/27/09 12:37 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Please demosntrate I'm wrong on this issue as to whether a burglary report is per se justification for a search of a house

Man, you guys are just arguing to argue and aren't even bothering to take the facts into account.

The cop did not search the house. He did not ask to search the house. Hell, he DIDN'T EVEN GO INSIDE the house.

Read the report again, especially this part:

"Gates opened the front door and exclaimed �why, because I�m a black man in America?�. I then asked Gates if there was anyone else in the residence. While yelling, he told me that it was none of my business and accused me of being a racist police officer. I assured Gates that I was responding to a citizen�s call to the Cambridge Police and that the caller was outside as we spoke.

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I asked Gates to provide me with photo identification so that I could verify that he resided at Ware Street and so that I could radio my findings to ECC. Gates initially refused, demanding that I show him identification but then did supply me with a Harvard University identification card. Upon learning that Gates was affiliated with Harvard, I radioed and requested the presence of the Harvard University Police.

With the Harvard University identification in hand, I radioed my findings to ECC on channel two and prepared to leave. Gates again asked for my name which I began to provide. Gates began to yell over my spoken words"


No house was searched, asked to be searched, or even fucking entered, yet you guys have your panties in a wad about a search that didn't happen. No, standing on someone's porch for the purpose of knocking on the door is not a search no matter how much you want to win the debate.

It's so typical of debate here that everyone debates with the goal of winning rather than finding the truth, whatever it may be, whether it jives with your worldview or not. :thumbdown:




The cop did go inside the house.  Calm down and read the report again.  The cop says, "As I began walking through the foyer to the front door, I could hear Gates demanding my name."

How did the cop get in the foyer if he never entered the house.  The foyer is in a house, correct?  I'm not sure, but I could be wrong.

EDIT:  Furthermore, the report also talks about the acoustics of the kitchen being too loud, so they had to go outside and talk.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: Gogol]
    #10748596 - 07/27/09 12:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Isn't the foyer the part of the porch by the front door? That's how I read it. I don't see where he said he want to the kitchen.

In any case, that is not a search.


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    #10748609 - 07/27/09 12:57 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Isn't the foyer the part of the porch by the front door? That's how I read it. I don't see where he said he want to the kitchen.




I always thought the foyer was in the house.  It's the part of the house that a door would lead into.

Anyway, what about the part where the cop says the acoustics of the kitchen were too loud so they had to go outside and talk?

The cop also talks about leaving the residence.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: Gogol]
    #10748616 - 07/27/09 12:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Alright, the definition of "foyer" is just inside the house. I still don't see how anyone can call that a search.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: Diploid]
    #10748627 - 07/27/09 01:01 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

It isn't a search.  The cop did go in the foyer.  Gates didn't deny him entry.  Gates started screaming at him so loudly he couldn't hear the radio.  He asked Gates to step outside where the screaming wouldn't make so many echoes so he could use the radio.  Headquarters was worried when they didn't hear from him.  They sent several cars.


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    #10748655 - 07/27/09 01:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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It isn't a search.  The cop did go in the foyer.  Gates didn't deny him entry.  Gates started screaming at him so loudly he couldn't hear the radio.  He asked Gates to step outside where the screaming wouldn't make so many echoes so he could use the radio.  Headquarters was worried when they didn't hear from him.  They sent several cars.




Yes.  This is a search.  The Supreme Court has stated that a search occurs whenever a police officer impedes upon an individual's reasonable expectation of privacy.  You have the right to privacy in your home and a cop came in without consent. 

However, the search was probably justified as there was a report of a felony being committed inside, which could give the cop a reason to enter.


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    #10748676 - 07/27/09 01:13 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Where have you seen that there was no consent?  The only refusal on Gates' part was a refusal to come outside and a refusal to stop screaming like a lunatic.


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    #10748695 - 07/27/09 01:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Where have you seen that there was no consent?  The only refusal on Gates' part was a refusal to come outside and a refusal to stop screaming like a lunatic.




Consent doesn't mean lack of refusal.  It means consent.  Where do you see that there was actually consent?  I'm pretty sure Gates would not have consented to the cop entering his home. 

Again, consent was probably not needed though.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: Gogol]
    #10748709 - 07/27/09 01:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

if there was a report of a burglary at my house, i would be glad that the responding officer didn't ask the burglar for consent to enter the home. 

i mean, c'mon now.


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    #10748731 - 07/27/09 01:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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if there was a report of a burglary at my house, i would be glad that the responding officer didn't ask the burglar for consent to enter the home. 

i mean, c'mon now.




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    #10748742 - 07/27/09 01:28 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Gates said he thought the cop was there to ask how he could help him.

The only place I have seen any mention of any search or any mention that Gates didn't want the cop in the house has been here.  So if you can find something that says either of those two things I'd be grateful.  Otherwise, they are strawmen.


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    #10748789 - 07/27/09 01:36 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'm going by what's in the police report.

I don't see where it indicates that Gates thought the cop was there to help him. 

Anyway, a search is a search, it doesn't matter if there is consent.  If there is consent, then a search will not be unreasonable and will not violate the Constitution, but it's still a search.

"Search" is a term of art and has a specific legal meaning.  It doesn't matter if the police officer said anything, what the police officer thought, what Gates though, etc...  If a police officer goes into an area in which you have a reasonably expectation of privacy (this expectation is highest in the home) then it is a search.  End of story.


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    #10748826 - 07/27/09 01:44 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm going by what's in the police report.

I don't see where it indicates that Gates thought the cop was there to help him. 

Anyway, a search is a search, it doesn't matter if there is consent.  If there is consent, then a search will not be unreasonable and will not violate the Constitution, but it's still a search.

"Search" is a term of art and has a specific legal meaning.  It doesn't matter if the police officer said anything, what the police officer thought, what Gates though, etc...  If a police officer goes into an area in which you have a reasonably expectation of privacy (this expectation is highest in the home) then it is a search.  End of story.



You got a link to that?  What if I invite the cop in for tea and he sits at my kitchen table.  Is he searching then?  What if the cop is really hot and likes to stop off for a nooner on her lunch break and we get down in my bedroom.  Is that a search?


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10749084 - 07/27/09 02:37 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Searches

There are two parts to reasonable expectation of privacy:  (1)  Subjective - that is you yourself had an expectation of privacy, and (2) Objective - it is reasonable according to society's standards.


If you're inviting a cop in, as a friendly gesture, without him asking consent to search, this would not be a search as there would be no subjective right of privacy.

Same thing if an officer comes over to have sex with you.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: Gogol]
    #10749396 - 07/27/09 03:30 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

So the cop walking onto his foyer in plain sight and with no objection violated his privacy how?


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10749445 - 07/27/09 03:38 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Next time he calls the police, they should let him deal with what ever issue he is having on his own.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10749462 - 07/27/09 03:40 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

You're asking how a cop violated someone's privacy by walking into their home without consent?

You don't need to object for there not to be consent.  You need to affirmatively give consent.  Unless Gates told the cop he could come in, then there was most likely no consent.  Again, I'm going by the police report.

However, the cop probably didn't need consent, so it's pretty moot.  All I'm saying is that this would most likely be a search.

Gates had an expectation (subjective) of privacy in his home.  This expectation is also one that society would view as reasonable (objective).  The cop, to see if a crime was being committed went into the house without consent and proceeded to question Gates.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: Gogol]
    #10750315 - 07/27/09 05:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

> The cop, to see if a crime was being committed went into the house without consent and proceeded to question Gates.

You are making an assumption that the cop was not invited into the foyer by Gates.  Regardless, it is a silly worry.  It was nothing in the home that caused Gates trouble.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: Seuss]
    #10750386 - 07/27/09 06:05 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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> The cop, to see if a crime was being committed went into the house without consent and proceeded to question Gates.

You are making an assumption that the cop was not invited into the foyer by Gates.  Regardless, it is a silly worry.  It was nothing in the home that caused Gates trouble.




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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: Diploid]
    #10750442 - 07/27/09 06:13 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Please demosntrate I'm wrong on this issue as to whether a burglary report is per se justification for a search of a house

Man, you guys are just arguing to argue and aren't even bothering to take the facts into account.






Regardless, zappa said I was stunningly ignorant or something like that, and I'm asking him to back up his statement.  So far he has not done that.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: Gogol]
    #10750584 - 07/27/09 06:37 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

"Search" is a term of art and has a specific legal meaning.  It doesn't matter if the police officer said anything, what the police officer thought, what Gates though, etc...  If a police officer goes into an area in which you have a reasonably expectation of privacy (this expectation is highest in the home) then it is a search.  End of story.

I'm not convinced that one can have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the foyer of one's home after opening the front door, which Gates did.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: Diploid]
    #10750944 - 07/27/09 07:48 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

No, he does have a reasonable expectation of privacy in his foyer, but it appears he consented to the police's presence in the foyer, so its irrelevant.


Whether or not that was a search kind of misses the point, because the constitution only bars unreasonable searches, and a search pursuant to consent is therefore not constitutionaly relevant.



And ditto on the distinction made earlier- a refusal isn't really relevant to the situation, a lack of consent is.  Regardless, it seems reasonable to conclude he consented to their presence in the foyer, especially given the fact he refused their invitation to leave the foyer and go outside.  (which is a strange move... if the cops come to the door, the best thing to do is to step outside and close the door behind you).


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: johnm214]
    #10751031 - 07/27/09 08:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I though we were debating the legal definition of "Search". I can't find a definitive reference anywhere online so far, though there is a lot of information about when a search is legal and when it isn't.

If a search is what happens when the police look some place where it would be reasonable for a person to expect privacy, then the foyer of a house with an open front door (opened by the person who lives there), and which is then visible in plain sight from the sidewalk, is not a place where one would reasonably expect privacy. At least not as long as the front door remains open.

Same for the police looking through an open window while standing on the sidewalk. That's not a search if the definition I'm proposing holds.

Now, if the cops had walked into Gates' bedroom or some other part of the house not visible from the open front door, THAT I'd agree is a search. But that's not what happened.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: Diploid]
    #10751800 - 07/27/09 10:30 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

What I'm saying is that "search" doesn't matter.  "reasonable search" does.


If he consented to the presence in the foyer, then it is a reasonable search.  If he opened the door like many do when someone is knocking, then he consented to their viewing of what could be seen through said open door.


It is not an unreasonable search for the police to be present in the foyer pursuant to someone opening the door to them, and tacitly allowing them inside with no objection and even an objection to moving elsewhere.


You have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your whole house, presumably, and any warantless search therein is presumptivly unreasonable.  Given that he let them in and made no objection, it is hard to see that as an unreasonable search.  Some case law has been devoted to the issue of what a search is, but it seems irrelevant here.



(zappa, are you going to retract your statement?  Your response had nothing to do with the statement you challenged- you changed the issue of whether a burglary report was per se justification for an officer to search a house to something much more limited to the paticulars of this case.  Either limit your rather nasty claim to the grounds on which you somewhat defend it or back it up.)


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    #10754140 - 07/28/09 10:35 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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(zappa, are you going to retract your statement?  Your response had nothing to do with the statement you challenged- you changed the issue of whether a burglary report was per se justification for an officer to search a house to something much more limited to the paticulars of this case.  Either limit your rather nasty claim to the grounds on which you somewhat defend it or back it up.)




What statement?  That you don't know what you're talking about regarding the law?  The cop could have arrested him on suspicion of burglary right there when he didn't produce.


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    #10754158 - 07/28/09 10:39 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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When I first learned of the arrest of my colleague Professor Henry Louis "Skip" Gates after he stood up to the fascist jackboots of a declasse, ill-educated Cambridge police officer, I was of course angered -- but scarcely shocked. L'Affaire Gates simply aired, in public, the dirty 100-thread-count table linen of an American culture where Harvard faculty assholes still face a daily struggle against profiling, abuse, and insolence.

It will come as no surprise that Skip's arrest was the talk of the Douchebag Room at the Harvard Faculty Club last Friday. I and a group of colleagues had assembled for our weekly lunch; I opted for their competently-prepared Ahi Tuna Tartare and an amusing glass of '05 Hospices de Beaune Premier Cru Cuvee Cyrot-Chaudron. I had noticed that the Franz Fanon Memorial Booth -- Skip's long-reserved lunch spot -- was uncharacteristically empty, and asked our waiter Sergio for an explanation.

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One after one came the cascade of stark stories: the rolled eyes of our department secretaries. The Spanish language mockery of our office janitors. The foul gestures of drunken strap-hanging Red Sox lumpenproles aboard the MBTA. The frequent police stops on the highway to Cape Ann and Martha's Vineyard for "Volvoing While Asshole." And then there are the insulting media stereotypes, where we are routinely caricatured as pompous, effete, self-important, irrelevant elitists. All, I might add, by a motley collection of lowbrow inferiors, few of whom have ever published in a peer-reviewed journal. Let alone edit one.




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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10758983 - 07/29/09 01:36 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I do believe Obama should apologize. What is mind boggling to me is that after Obama made an ass out of himself he then said he called the officer and found him to be a good man. WTF? He then said he invited both parties to have a beer with him. I feel for the white cop, and I never thought I would utter those words. 

Yes, I'm sure he would love to have a beer with two privileged, elitist negro assholes. Lets see one of them said he and his department acted stupidly, and then insinuated that this was a case of racial profiling, thus accusing the officer of being a racist. While attempting to protect the Negros house none the less.

The cops other drinking buddy would be the asshole that called him a racist, pulled the don't you know who I am bullshit, and then proceeded to insult his mother. Yeah, I'd love to have a drink with these race card playing assholes with a sense of entitlement.  I would like nothing more than to have the cop go on the news telling Obama where to shove his beer.

Then again I would really love it if the cop went to the white house for the beer, tased these assholes and then took out his baton and brought down Rodney King style justice on their negro asses.

I think the cop deserves an apology from both. Where many of us come from if someone insulted your mother while you were in the act of attempting to protect their property, someone would get a beat down. I think the only problem with this case is that the police force obviously caved after arresting the prof. I'm sure that much like the Maryland fire dept. they were worried about the false impression of racism, much less from  a "distinguished black scholar" crying racism like the loudmouthed bitch that he is. I would like to know why they dropped the charges, thus seemingly minimizing the credibility of the arrest. You see people being arrested for disorderly conduct all the time. Their fear of race mongering rhetoric by negro's only backfired on them, like so many others.

I think many whites should take stock in who this wonderful "bring the races together" president has screwed. He has mocked, laughed at, screwed over, and called stupid and racist several white blue collar workers.

Lets see, he laughed at the plumber saying "yeah right like he'll ever make 200k" "he's a plumber" I guess only blacks can have the "audacity to hope" A privileged black lawyer asshole putting down a blue collar worker.

How about the white firefighters, with Obama agreeing that tests should be thrown out because the Negros were too ignorant to pass. Yes, these whites should be denied the promotion and the ability to make more money to support their families, because blacks can't pass. When are we just going to take these Negros by the hand, bring them to the testing center, show them the answers beforehand, and then fill them out for them?

Now he is calling a white firefighter stupid or stating he acted stupidly and is guilty of being a racist.

When the stim package came out Obama and his cronies stated they didn't want the money going to white construction workers. How blatantly fucking racist is this. They don't want a negro handout, they want to work, and they are to be punished/kept from working simply because they are white.

So, Obama and his followers have insulted and fucked over plumbers, cops, firefighters, and construction workers. How much more blue collar/proletarian can one get? I was all for going after the bankers that have totally screwed us, but don't bother they work for Obama now. Its those evil,racist white blue collar workers with all the political influence and power that have been keeping the black man down. They obviously must be punished.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: Therian]
    #10759138 - 07/29/09 02:08 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Does anyone who's not racist or a senior citizen use the term "negro" anymore?


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: THC Titan]
    #10760172 - 07/29/09 08:22 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

There's nothing racist about the term Negro.

Give to the United Negro College Fund. Because a mind is a terrible thing to waste.


The truly stupid term is "hyphenated-American".

Now.... that's just fucking stupid. Unless of course someone holds a dual citizenship.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #10760424 - 07/29/09 10:01 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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There's nothing racist about the term Negro.



Apart from the fact that it's a term mostly used by racists. I mean, there's nothing racist about wearing a pointed white hood either, but it's naive to think that wearing one won't affect people's opinion of you.


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    #10760577 - 07/29/09 10:38 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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There's nothing racist about the term Negro.



Apart from the fact that it's a term mostly used by racists. I mean, there's nothing racist about wearing a pointed white hood either, but it's naive to think that wearing one won't affect people's opinion of you.




So the people that run the United Negro College Fund are racists?

Could be I suppose. That might come as a surprise to them.

Frankly, only small minded little pukes would find that term racist.

I suppose you would have a problem with the term "niggardly" as well. And of course, the term "boy" comes to mind.

Too bad the English language has been perverted by a bunch of guilty feeling white boys.


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    #10760706 - 07/29/09 11:13 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Does anyone who's not racist or a senior citizen use the term "negro" anymore?



Me.  It's the correct word.


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    #10761415 - 07/29/09 02:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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So the people that run the United Negro College Fund are racists?




Didn't I say some senior citizens still use that term out of habit, being of product of their times etc? The UNCF has been around for a long while, longer than my parents have been alive.

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I suppose you would have a problem with the term "niggardly" as well. And of course, the term "boy" comes to mind.




The word "niggardly" isn't derived from "nigger" and it doesn't even share common etymological roots. Also if you used the term "boy" as a term of inferiority towards a black person, yes, I would say there's more than a hint of racism when used in that context.

Nonetheless there are no young adults that uses the term "negro" as the daily, go-to label for black people without having the reasonable expectation of people believing that person is racist. Because they most likely are.


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    #10761434 - 07/29/09 02:04 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

How prejudiced of you.


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    #10761473 - 07/29/09 02:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, I believe people who refer to black people as Negros long after that term left the lexicon of daily usage, and who espouse that black people are inherently inferior to whites in terms of intelligence and emotional capability, are racists. I freely admit to holding that prejudicial belief.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: THC Titan]
    #10761599 - 07/29/09 02:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

anyone that refers to blacks as negros is racist if they fail to refer to whites as caucasians.


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    #10761758 - 07/29/09 03:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah, I believe people who refer to black people as Negros long after that term left the lexicon of daily usage, and who espouse that black people are inherently inferior to whites in terms of intelligence and emotional capability, are racists. I freely admit to holding that prejudicial belief.



You seem to have added some extra conditions this time around.  Maybe you would want to include Stormfront and Klan membership as well. 

Long after it left the lexicon of daily usage, huh?  How about "nigger", then?  Because that is quite common.  United Negro College Fund.  Or this little beauty:  NAACP.  Yep, Colored People.  Or this
Gates, Henry Louis, Jr. (1994). Colored People: A Memoir

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    #10761985 - 07/29/09 03:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah, I believe people who refer to black people as Negros long after that term left the lexicon of daily usage, and who espouse that black people are inherently inferior to whites in terms of intelligence and emotional capability, are racists. I freely admit to holding that prejudicial belief.



You seem to have added some extra conditions this time around.  Maybe you would want to include Stormfront and Klan membership as well. 




Therian has already stated those positions in other threads, with significantly more vitriol than I conveyed.

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Long after it left the lexicon of daily usage, huh?  How about "nigger", then?  Because that is quite common.  United Negro College Fund.  Or this little beauty:  NAACP.  Yep, Colored People.  Or this
Gates, Henry Louis, Jr. (1994). Colored People: A Memoir

Spare me any more of your pomposity.  You do not define the English language.  You are eminently unqualified.




First, as I already pointed out, it's not the word that's vulgar, it is the usage. I'm not going to get on some old person's case for using negro because they grew up before desegregation and that's just how it was. Similarly the UNCF was founded quite a while ago, by a different generation of Americans, and the name is not a big issue of contention at all.

With the Gates example, you're just further proving my point. The title hearkens back to the life of a black person prior to the civil rights movement - it's a memoir, did you catch that? - and the title "Colored People" is used specifically because it is linked with the time period in which it takes place.

There's a noticeable difference in context between those examples and someone under 30 using the word "negro" to discuss why black people are stupid, inept at leadership, etc. etc. The word "negro" isn't necessarily racist in and of itself, but when pared next to other statements, it's pretty obvious when racism is going on.


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So the people that run the United Negro College Fund are racists?




Didn't I say some senior citizens still use that term out of habit, being of product of their times etc? The UNCF has been around for a long while, longer than my parents have been alive.

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I suppose you would have a problem with the term "niggardly" as well. And of course, the term "boy" comes to mind.




The word "niggardly" isn't derived from "nigger" and it doesn't even share common etymological roots. Also if you used the term "boy" as a term of inferiority towards a black person, yes, I would say there's more than a hint of racism when used in that context.

Nonetheless there are no young adults that uses the term "negro" as the daily, go-to label for black people without having the reasonable expectation of people believing that person is racist. Because they most likely are.




Perhaps we should stop using niggardly as well seeing as it offends some people.

Perhaps we should take polls to see what words don't offend small minded people. I include those that find the word negro offensive in the small minded group. As well as those who are sadly quick to toss out the word racism, racist or any variation of the word. I find them pathetically small minded. Weak thinkers.

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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: THC Titan]
    #10762038 - 07/29/09 03:52 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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With the Gates example, you're just further proving my point. The title hearkens back to the life of a black person prior to the civil rights movement - it's a memoir, did you catch that? - and the title "Colored People" is used specifically because it is linked with the time period in which it takes place.


  Henry Gates is 6 years older than I am.  How many years younger than Gates do you have to be before you become a bigot for using Colored People?
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There's a noticeable difference in context between those examples and someone under 30 using the word "negro" to discuss why black people are stupid, inept at leadership, etc. etc. The word "negro" isn't necessarily racist in and of itself, but when pared next to other statements, it's pretty obvious when racism is going on.




Thank you.  You have now conceded that there is nothing inherently racist in using the word "Negro".


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    #10762059 - 07/29/09 03:57 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Can you shut up about that word? Everyone who is offended by that word needs a dictionary, the exception being if the word was intentionally chosen to refer to black people so that the speaker could get away with making a racist statement under the guise of the English language.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: THC Titan]
    #10762122 - 07/29/09 04:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Can you shut up about that word? Everyone who is offended by that word needs a dictionary, the exception being if the word was intentionally chosen to refer to black people so that the speaker could get away with making a racist statement under the guise of the English language.




I'm never niggardly in my use of words. I never will be niggardly in my choice of words. You should be embarrassed by your niggardly use of words.

The point, which so clearly slid right past you, is that there will always be assholes that find one word or another offensive.

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    #10762132 - 07/29/09 04:09 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Can you shut up about that word? Everyone who is offended by that word needs a dictionary, the exception being if the word was intentionally chosen to refer to black people so that the speaker could get away with making a racist statement under the guise of the English language.



You must be some mind reader.

"under the guise of the English language."
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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10762182 - 07/29/09 04:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:Henry Gates is 6 years older than I am.  How many years younger than Gates do you have to be before you become a bigot for using Colored People?
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You're not necessarily a bigot for using the word, it depends what words you place around it. My father grew up in South Carolina (he's the same age as Gates, if not a year older), went to college there, and then moved to a different state. My grandmother regularly used the words "jigaboos" and "nigger" around him but he apparently shed those words from his vocabulary when he left the area and started to interact with other educated professionals. Still, even with someone who is in their 50s I would feel awkward if they said something about "that negro" or "that colored person over there" while in public.

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Thank you.  You have now conceded that there is nothing inherently racist in using the word "Negro".




I never meant to suggest otherwise. But if you're someone who is young, educated and/or raised outside the rural South, I just don't see how that word would become your default label, or even an alternative label used, for black people. Unless you're someone who is a dedicated racist.


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    #10762190 - 07/29/09 04:20 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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the word was intentionally chosen to refer to black people so that the speaker could get away with making a racist statement under the guise of the English language.




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    #10762236 - 07/29/09 04:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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the word was intentionally chosen to refer to black people so that the speaker could get away with making a racist statement under the guise of the English language.




is this true?




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    #10762243 - 07/29/09 04:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Can you shut up about that word? Everyone who is offended by that word needs a dictionary, the exception being if the word was intentionally chosen to refer to black people so that the speaker could get away with making a racist statement under the guise of the English language.



You must be some mind reader.

"under the guise of the English language."
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?




No, it would be pretty obvious. For example, if someone wants to make a racist comment about a black person or group of black people, they couldn't call them niggers, but they might call them "niggardly" *wink* *wink*.


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    #10762252 - 07/29/09 04:36 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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THC Titan said:
the word was intentionally chosen to refer to black people so that the speaker could get away with making a racist statement under the guise of the English language.




is this true?




I'm speaking about in general. It could be true if someone made it true.


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    #10762342 - 07/29/09 04:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Can you shut up about that word? Everyone who is offended by that word needs a dictionary, the exception being if the word was intentionally chosen to refer to black people so that the speaker could get away with making a racist statement under the guise of the English language.



You must be some mind reader.

"under the guise of the English language."
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?




No, it would be pretty obvious. For example, if someone wants to make a racist comment about a black person or group of black people, they couldn't call them niggers, but they might call them "niggardly" *wink* *wink*.



I remember a few years back some retard who worked in a government agency demanded that someone be fired for using the word "niggardly".
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In Washington a few weeks ago, David Howard, a white gay man serving as the city's ombudsman, bemoaned the paucity of his budget. "I will have to be niggardly with this fund," he told coworkers, "because it's not going to be a lot of money." One of his listeners was shocked by the sound of the word and spread the news quickly that Howard had used an expression rooted in the hated epithet nigger. Blacks, who make up a majority of the capital's population, expressed their alarm and dismay. Howard resigned for the good of the city and race relations, and the new mayor, Anthony A. Williams, a black often criticized by his opponents for acting and thinking like a white, accepted the resignation with dispatch. Mayor Williams said that Howard, by using the word niggardly, was like someone "caught smoking in a refinery that resulted in an explosion."

The mayor and Howard's critics, however, had confused their etymology. The word niggardly derives from the Middle English nig, a word rooted in Old Norse that means a stingy person. It has nothing to do with nigger, an offensive slang expression coming from nègre, a French noun that means a black person. Noting all this, NAACP Chairman Julian Bond castigated Mayor Williams for being "niggardly in his judgment on this issue." "You hate to think you have to censor your language to meet other people's lack of understanding," said Bond.




http://www.stanleymeisler.com/news-commentary/words.html

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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10762710 - 07/29/09 05:43 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Look, it doesn't matter if you think the word 'negro' isn't racist. The fact remains that if you keep using it people will think you are. Is that what you want?


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    #10762817 - 07/29/09 06:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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"You hate to think you have to censor your language to meet other people's lack of understanding," said Bond.





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    #10762953 - 07/29/09 06:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Look, it doesn't matter if you think the word 'negro' isn't racist. The fact remains that if you keep using it people will think you are. Is that what you want?




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"You hate to think you have to censor your language to meet other people's lack of understanding," said Bond.







Why would I care what moronic half-witted buffoons think of me?

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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10763019 - 07/29/09 06:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Do you use the word "negro" in your day-to-day language with people you've just met?


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    #10763058 - 07/29/09 06:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I do.  You might be surprised how much the spanish language is used in america.


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    #10763077 - 07/29/09 06:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Do you use the word "negro" in your day-to-day language with people you've just met?



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    #10763581 - 07/29/09 08:13 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I do.  You might be surprised how much the spanish language is used in america.




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    #10769634 - 07/30/09 06:15 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The whole incident has been blown out of proportion because of the racially charged nature of it and how the media goes nuts over such things.

Black professor breaks into his locked home.  Somebody thinks that looks suspicious and calls the police.  Police show up and the guy only shows a Harvard ID.  Police have not been shown verifiable proof that the guy should be at the residence.  Black professor starts screaming and acting like an idiot.  The douchebag deserved to go to jail for not cooperating with the police.  If he had just shut his mouth and provided the information that they needed there would have been no problem.  But, he decided to get irate and pull the race-card.

As he whined about being a "black man in America" I wonder if he ever paused to consider that he probably earns ten times what that white police officer does.  Did he bother to recognize that he has more education, status, and power than that cop ever will?  If that's not a testament to how far we have come as a society I don't know what is.  But, oh no....let's act like a child and play the victim.  This victim mentality does nothing but breed tension and separatism between the races.  People like him cause more harm to race relations in this country than any white supremacist ever could.  Maybe he should think of that as he teaches his next politically-correct African American studies class to spoiled Harvard kids or when he vomits out a thesis that only pedantic and navel-gazing elitist academics will read.


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    #10781983 - 08/01/09 09:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Do you use the word "negro" in your day-to-day language with people you've just met?





FYI, on the island I lived on in the Carib, Negro is primarily used when indicating skin color. If you asked a lot of people they would often say "blacks" are those of African ancestry who are living in the states. Obviously the word's usage is, in large part, a result of former imperial power's influence.

The fact that some people take offense at the use of certain cognates depending on their current geographical location is disturbing to me.

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    #10783937 - 08/02/09 04:41 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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The fact that some people take offense at the use of certain cognates depending on their current geographical location is disturbing to me.




You find it disturbing that different cultures have different social norms?


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: zouden]
    #10784486 - 08/02/09 10:44 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

OMG!!!

Isnt the Gates thing over yet?!

Wait...

Damn...

It SURE is..... They are all happy friends now! Beer solves the worlds racial problems AGAIN!

See..... The cop did the right thing...... Some fool is in my house and the neighbors call the cops.... erm.... I dont want the cop to let the 'negro' just -SAY- he lives there and then leave.
  Even if that means ONCE and awhile someone is going to have to deal with finding their drivers liscence and presenting it to the officer.

Lets just hope it isnt African-Americans this happens too....

You would think arabs would be being more harrassed by the police, I mean.... if your going to pick on ANY other inferior race.... why not the towelheads?

AND the sum of it ALL..............

Is a few pages about wether the word "niggardly" is racist or not.

Words arent racist. People are.

And sometimes I wonder if there are more Minorities who have RACIST mindsets, than there are Whites.

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    #10784933 - 08/02/09 12:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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The report said Gates initially refused to show the officer identification, but eventually produced a Harvard identification card, prompting Crowley to radio for Harvard University Police.


While I was led to believe that Gates was lawfully in the residence, I was quite surprised and confused with the behavior he exhibited toward me," Crowley said, according to the report.

Gates was arrested for "loud and tumultuous behavior in a public space" and was released from police custody after spending four hours at the police station.







Jesus fucking christ, when did this site get infested with neo-liberal pig fuckers?  The man initially refused to show I.D. then SHOWED ID at which point the officer called in more police.  !!!The officer also said he believed the man was lawfully in the residence!!!, but was "suprised" with the behavior of the man. 

Do you guys seriously think is OK to arrest someone because they have a fucking attitude with a police officer?  Every encounter I have ever had with a police officer, they have had an attitude towards me.  Even if I figuratively "suck their dicks" they still have an attitude with me.  IT IS PART OF THEIR PERSONA.  Yet you justify this man being arrested because he "had an attitude". 

Its also funny how to guys try to distort OBVIOUS FACTS like "The man did not show ID..."  It says in the original post he showed ID. 

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    #10784978 - 08/02/09 12:43 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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The report said Gates initially refused to show the officer identification, but eventually produced a Harvard identification card, prompting Crowley to radio for Harvard University Police.




What makes you think his Harvard ID has his address on it?
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While I was led to believe that Gates was lawfully in the residence, I was quite surprised and confused with the behavior he exhibited toward me," Crowley said, according to the report.





He was "led to believe".  I suspect Gates never did produce an ID with the Ware St. address on it.  How come none of the neighbors knew who he was?

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    #10785010 - 08/02/09 12:49 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

If the officer did not believe the man lived at the house, why was he not arrested for burglary?

The officer obliviously KNEW the man was telling the truth and arrested him for "Having an attitude".

ZAPPAISGOD, Its a disgrace you use the name of such a influential anti-authoritarian.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10785037 - 08/02/09 12:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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  I suspect Gates never did produce an ID with the Ware St. address on it.  How come none of the neighbors knew who he was?





How does this assumption even make any sense?  How does the fact that he never produced an ID with an address (not true) have any connection with the fact that "None" (it only take ONE person to call the cops) of the "neighbors" (as if multiple people called the cops)  knew who he was?


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #10785339 - 08/02/09 01:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Zappa had no use for fools of any kind and Gates' punk act definitely indicates that he is a fool.  Pointless anti-authoritarianism is stupid.  He pulled similar shit years ago when he got a speeding ticket.  The bitch obviously thinks that any incident of DWB towards anyone ever gives him carte blanche to declare it for himself no matter what the circumstances. 

Th officer arrested him for causing a public disturbance.  There is a wide range of behavior between having an attitude and screaming like a lunatic in public.


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He produced a Harvard ID.  That establishes his identity.  That's why they asked a Harvard security guy to come to the scene.  I don't think he ever produced an ID that showed he belonged in the house.  If you have somthing that proves that link it.  I don't think they arrested him for burglary because they knew who he was, after, and where to find him.  But the asshole kept screaming and causing a public nuisance.  And how come none of the neighbors in the crowd, and there was a crowd eventually, knew who the fuck he was.  There were also two people involved in calling the cops initially.

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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10785632 - 08/02/09 02:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Th officer arrested him for causing a public disturbance.  There is a wide range of behavior between having an attitude and screaming like a lunatic in public.


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He produced a Harvard ID.  That establishes his identity.  That's why they asked a Harvard security guy to come to the scene.  I don't think he ever produced an ID that showed he belonged in the house.  If you have somthing that proves that link it.  I don't think they arrested him for burglary because they knew who he was, after, and where to find him.  But the asshole kept screaming and causing a public nuisance.  And how come none of the neighbors in the crowd, and there was a crowd eventually, knew who the fuck he was.  There were also two people involved in calling the cops initially.

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Hey buddy, how about we stick to the facts and stop quoting a signature I have had on my avatar since '05 that was an inside joke between a few forum members that you obviously don't know about/remember. 

Is that fair?

Now, back to the facts.  Give me a link saying that 2 people called the police.  Here is my link stating that he showed ID. http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=8131953&page=2

"When the officer told him that he was responding to a report of a breaking and entering in progress at the house, Gates told him that he lived there and was a faculty member at Harvard, the lawyer said. Rather than denying or ignoring the officer's request to prove what he said, according to Ogletree, Gates said he could and went to get his wallet, which he had left in the kitchen.

Once there, he handed the officer his Harvard University identification and his valid Massachusetts driver's license, both of which include Gates' photograph"

Also, give me a linking stating that "no one in the crowd identified him".

Regardless, here is the BOTTOM LINE.

I don't know if the police officer arrested Gates because of the Harvard professor's race. A lot of white people would say that if they mouthed off to a cop, they too would be arrested. Does this make the action in itself OK?  NO! 

One thing is clear: Gates did not violate any law. Under Massachusetts law, which the police officer was supposedly enforcing, yelling at a police officer is not illegal. There are clear decisions of the Massachusetts courts holding that a person who berates an officer, even during an arrest, is not guilty of disorderly conduct. And yet that is exactly what Gates was arrested for.

In several cases, the courts in Massachusetts have considered whether a person is guilty of disorderly conduct for verbally abusing a police officer. In Commonwealth v. Lopiano, a 2004 decision, an appeals court held it was not disorderly conduct for a person who angrily yelled at an officer that his civil rights were being violated. In Commonwealth v. Mallahan, a decision rendered last year, an appeals court held that a person who launched into an angry, profanity-laced tirade against a police officer in front of spectators could not be convicted of disorderly conduct.

So Massachusetts law clearly provides that Gates did not commit disorderly conduct.

The Cambridge Police should be training their officers to know the difference between legal and illegal conduct. What Gates did was probably not so smart -- in general, be nice to people carrying guns -- but it wasn't disorderly conduct. At least not in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

That explains why the charges against Gates were dropped. It wasn't because the police were trying to defuse the situation.


Its very clear now to me, that the REAL reason you have a problem with this guy is because he screamed "racist".  Is that alone enough reason for a man to be detained and taken to jail?  If so, what does that really say about you?


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #10785838 - 08/02/09 03:34 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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BuddahKillah said:
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zappaisgod said:


Th officer arrested him for causing a public disturbance.  There is a wide range of behavior between having an attitude and screaming like a lunatic in public.


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He produced a Harvard ID.  That establishes his identity.  That's why they asked a Harvard security guy to come to the scene.  I don't think he ever produced an ID that showed he belonged in the house.  If you have somthing that proves that link it.  I don't think they arrested him for burglary because they knew who he was, after, and where to find him.  But the asshole kept screaming and causing a public nuisance.  And how come none of the neighbors in the crowd, and there was a crowd eventually, knew who the fuck he was.  There were also two people involved in calling the cops initially.

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Hey buddy, how about we stick to the facts and stop quoting a signature I have had on my avatar since '05 that was an inside joke between a few forum members that you obviously don't know about/remember. 

Is that fair?

Now, back to the facts.  Give me a link saying that 2 people called the police.



OK.
http://news.aol.com/article/911-caller-lucia-whalen-in-gates-case/589497

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With a trembling voice, Lucia Whalen, 40, said she was out walking to lunch in Gates' Cambridge neighborhood near Harvard University when an elderly woman without a cell phone stopped her because she was concerned there was a possible burglary in progress.




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Here is my link stating that he showed ID. http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=8131953&page=2

"When the officer told him that he was responding to a report of a breaking and entering in progress at the house, Gates told him that he lived there and was a faculty member at Harvard, the lawyer said. Rather than denying or ignoring the officer's request to prove what he said, according to Ogletree, Gates said he could and went to get his wallet, which he had left in the kitchen.

Once there, he handed the officer his Harvard University identification and his valid Massachusetts driver's license, both of which include Gates' photograph"




Like I said, I don't think any of his ID showed his address as being Ware St.  They just showed who he was.  The Harvard ID wouldn't have an address and the Mass one would, but I bet it lists the other address he uses as his residence since he included that address (Quincy St.) on a residence document with Harvard.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2009/07/a-gatesgate-at-henry-gates-bogus-charity.html
   
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Corporate Filing

    Business Information
    Filing Number: 000908494
    Name: INKWELL FOUNDATION, INC.
    Name Type: LEGAL
    principal corporate address: 17 WARE ST
    CAMBRIDGE, MA 02138-4004
    Business Type: NONPROFIT CORPORATION
    Reference Number: 000908494
    Status: ACTIVE
    Place Incorporated: MASSACHUSETTS
    Date Incorporated: 10/27/2005
    For Profit: YES
    Additional Information: Annual Report Required: YES

    Officers - As Of - 07/14/2009
    Name  Standardized Address Original Address
    GATES JR, HENRY LOUIS
    Title: PRESIDENT
      12 QUINCY ST
    CAMBRIDGE, MA 02138-3804 12 QUINCY ST.
    CAMBRIDGE MA



Like I said, There is no indication that Gates' drivers license or Harvard ID has the Ware St. address on it.  Ogletree, Gates' lawyer, avoids that by confining his sattement to "it has his picture on it."  Further, is it common practice for you to accept someone's lawyer's version of events as gospel truth?  Because that's just fucking dumb.
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Also, give me a linking stating that "no one in the crowd identified him".




I would imagine we would have had a report that somebody in the crowd did say they knew him by now, wouldn't you?  The absence of that report, though not conclusive evidence, certainly supports my contention.
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Regardless, here is the BOTTOM LINE.

I don't know if the police officer arrested Gates because of the Harvard professor's race. A lot of white people would say that if they mouthed off to a cop, they too would be arrested. Does this make the action in itself OK?  NO! 

One thing is clear: Gates did not violate any law. Under Massachusetts law, which the police officer was supposedly enforcing, yelling at a police officer is not illegal. There are clear decisions of the Massachusetts courts holding that a person who berates an officer, even during an arrest, is not guilty of disorderly conduct. And yet that is exactly what Gates was arrested for.

In several cases, the courts in Massachusetts have considered whether a person is guilty of disorderly conduct for verbally abusing a police officer. In Commonwealth v. Lopiano, a 2004 decision, an appeals court held it was not disorderly conduct for a person who angrily yelled at an officer that his civil rights were being violated. In Commonwealth v. Mallahan, a decision rendered last year, an appeals court held that a person who launched into an angry, profanity-laced tirade against a police officer in front of spectators could not be convicted of disorderly conduct.

So Massachusetts law clearly provides that Gates did not commit disorderly conduct.

The Cambridge Police should be training their officers to know the difference between legal and illegal conduct. What Gates did was probably not so smart -- in general, be nice to people carrying guns -- but it wasn't disorderly conduct. At least not in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

That explains why the charges against Gates were dropped. It wasn't because the police were trying to defuse the situation.


Its very clear now to me, that the REAL reason you have a problem with this guy is because he screamed "racist".  Is that alone enough reason for a man to be detained and taken to jail?  If so, what does that really say about you?




Well, no.  The first thing the asshole did was try to proclaim some classist priveledge.  "Don't you know who I am?  I'm a fucking Hahvuhd professor you policeman prole!"  "Well, no, I have no idea who you are otherwise I wouldn't be asking you for ID, you fucking idiot."  I don't care much for that either.  I also know that he did the same thing over a speeding ticket and I am aware that he is a professional racebaiter from his writings.  This is not the first time I've heard of Henry. 

If the law says he wasn't disorderly, and I do not for the least bit accept you assertion that it is clear, then he would have charges dropped or be cleared in a trial.  Sometimes charges get dropped just because it isn't worth the time and money to pursue a minor violation, especially when there is a gang of media assholes and a retarded President with a big fucking stupid mouth.

What does that say about me?  It says I appreciate the police's efforts to safeguard my home and family and that their job is difficult.  Asshole's like Gates make their job harder.  What would I have done in Gates' place?  Realized why the cop was there (someone who doesn't know me saw me forcing the door open), thanked him for his prompt response to a reported burglary at my house and  provided proof that I lived there cordially and respectfully.  I also would not have expected him to believe that my imperial Hahvuhdness elevated me above suspicion and produced that to prove my residence..


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10785943 - 08/02/09 03:51 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The charges WERE dropped, jesus.  This just shows that you are debating about something you have not even clearly looked into. 

Am I saying the professor is not retarded for screaming RACIST? 

The fucker should not have been arrested. Period.

You really cant see why the guy would be pissed off?  He was getting fucked with for breaking into his own house!  You seriously think the cop was completely calm with him, and he was just some crazy fucker who went off the handle?  He seems like a man who does not take shit from someone just because they have a uniform on, and gets the race issue involved out of ignorance.

Anyway, your debate is pointless.  Look up the law for yourself.  The man should not have been arrested.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #10785948 - 08/02/09 03:52 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The opinion of two other Cambridge cops

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/AP/story/1164886.html


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CAMBRIDGE, Mass. -- A black sergeant who was at the home of Harvard scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. when he was arrested says he's been maligned as an "Uncle Tom" for supporting the actions of the white arresting officer.

Cambridge Sgt. Leon Lashley gave a letter to Sgt. James Crowley to give to President Barack Obama during their so-called beer summit with Gates on Thursday night at the White House.

In the letter, which was also sent to CNN, Lashley says Gates "may have caused grave and potentially irreparable harm to the struggle for racial harmony."

Lashley says he has become known as a traitor to his heritage by some because he "spoke the truth" about the arrest.

Gates was charged with disorderly conduct by police investigating a burglary. The charge was later dropped.




And

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/27/must-see-cambridge-cop-says-she-wont-vote-for-obama-again-after-gatesgate/
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Must see: Cambridge cop says she won’t vote for Obama again after Gatesgate
posted at 7:48 pm on July 27, 2009 by Allahpundit

An amazing clip via Verum Serum. God only knows how much heat she and Sgt. Lashley will take from the “authenticity” police for this; Crowley’s a spectacularly lucky guy to have friends like them. In fact, I’m thinking that beer date at the White House to discuss “tolerance” might not be such a bad idea if Crowley gets to bring Kelly King along. Skip Gates and The One might just learn something.

If you’re looking for postracial America, you’ve found it.





Not so racialist as you'd like and not so clear cut as you say.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #10785969 - 08/02/09 03:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Anyway, your debate is pointless.  Look up the law for yourself.  The man should not have been arrested.




Apparently there are cops who disagree with you.  Some of them Negro cops. The charges were dropped because it was minor, a nuisance, expensive, wasteful, way overblown in publicity.  The dropping of the charges is in no way a judgment on their merits.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10786019 - 08/02/09 04:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Like I said, There is no indication that Gates' drivers license or Harvard ID has the Ware St. address on it.  Ogletree, Gates' lawyer, avoids that by confining his sattement to "it has his picture on it."  Further, is it common practice for you to accept someone's lawyer's version of events as gospel truth?  Because that's just fucking dum




Is it common practice for you to accept that a police officers version of events as as gospel truth?  Because thats just fucking dumb.



The only reason you are saying the charges where dropped because it was a minor incident is because it fits in with your viewpoint while completely ignoring the law books AND OTHER CASES LIKE THIS THAT WENT TO TRIAL. 

You did not even KNOW the charges had been dropped until I told you.


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zappaisgod said: "The dropping of the charges is in no way a judgment on their merits."




Are you fucking kidding me? IN NO WAY?  Haha, talk about being obnoxiously one sided (and border line conspiracy theorist).)


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10786076 - 08/02/09 04:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Apparently there are cops who disagree with you.  Some of them Negro cops.




Wait wait wait, you mean other pigs stuck up for a pig?!?!?  No way!


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #10786216 - 08/02/09 04:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Like I said, There is no indication that Gates' drivers license or Harvard ID has the Ware St. address on it.  Ogletree, Gates' lawyer, avoids that by confining his sattement to "it has his picture on it."  Further, is it common practice for you to accept someone's lawyer's version of events as gospel truth?  Because that's just fucking dum




Is it common practice for you to accept that a police officers version of events as as gospel truth?  Because thats just fucking dumb.




A police officer's account is open to scrutiny and question.  They have to back their shit up.  Lawyers, on the other hand, do not have to support any of their public statements and are never open to question for them.  They hide behind a cloud of atty/client privilege and are notorious liars.  There were several people at the scene.  The only ones trained in the law were the cops.  Unlike yourself.  It has been several days now and I have not seen one significant dispute of the officer's report.  Which, by the way, includes Ogletree's evasion of whether the ID produced showed Ware St as Gates' address.  I produced a document that shows Gates' address, as recently stated by Gates, as somewhere else.  I'm getting a real clear picture here that you see black is right and that's it.
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The only reason you are saying the charges where dropped because it was a minor incident is because it fits in with your viewpoint while completely ignoring the law books AND OTHER CASES LIKE THIS THAT WENT TO TRIAL. 

You did not even KNOW the charges had been dropped until I told you.




That is incorrect.  I knew the charges were dropped when I first heard of this or very shortly thereafter.  Whichever is true, I have known for quite some time that the charges were dropped.  And you continue to misunderstand what I said to be the rationale for dropping the charges.  They were dropped because THEY WERE TOO MUCH TROUBLE TO PURSUE.  That does not by any stretch amount to saying they were dropped solely because they were minor nor does it amount to a concession that they were not prosecutable.  Big mouths with friends and money don't get prosecuted for minor shit and make no mistake, that is what the decision to drop was all about.  You would still be on the docket and so would I.
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zappaisgod said: "The dropping of the charges is in no way a judgment on their merits."




Are you fucking kidding me? IN NO WAY?  Haha, talk about being obnoxiously one sided (and border line conspiracy theorist).)




When the President of the United States says you were stupid, the guy is his crony, and the charge is so minor as to be borderline ludicrous what kind of fucking idiot would proceed?

I'm getting a pretty clear picture that if you were an OJ juror you would have voted to acquit.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10787038 - 08/02/09 07:08 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:It has been several days now and I have not seen one significant dispute of the officer's report.




Really, no dispute?  How about the one between the person who called the cops and was there as a eye witness and the arriving police officer?  http://news.aol.com/article/911-caller-lucia-whalen-in-gates-case/589497

"Tapes of the call released earlier this week revealed that Whalen did not mention race. When pressed by a dispatcher on whether the men were white, black or Hispanic, she said one of them might have been Hispanic.
"Now that the tapes are out, I hope people can see that I tried to be careful and honest with my words," Whalen said. "It never occurred to me that the way I reported what I saw be analyzed by an entire nation."
Cambridge police Commissioner Robert Haas acknowledged that the police report contains a reference to race, but said the report is merely a summary of events. The arresting officer, Sgt. James Crowley, has said his information on the race of the suspects came during a brief encounter with Whalen outside Gates' house; she contradicted that Thursday, saying she made no such description."




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zappaisgod said:That is incorrect.  I knew the charges were dropped when I first heard of this or very shortly thereafter. They were dropped because THEY WERE TOO MUCH TROUBLE TO PURSUE.  That does not by any stretch amount to saying they were dropped solely because they were minor nor does it amount to a concession that they were not prosecutable.  Big mouths with friends and money don't get prosecuted for minor shit and make no mistake, that is what the decision to drop was all about.  You would still be on the docket and so would I.




You knew? Then why would you say something like this just a few posts ago?

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zappaisgod said:the law says he wasn't disorderly, and I do not for the least bit accept you assertion that it is clear, then he would have charges dropped or be cleared in a trial.







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zappaisgod said:I'm getting a pretty clear picture that if you were an OJ juror you would have voted to acquit.




Wow, and you accuse THIS guy of pulling the race card?


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #10787153 - 08/02/09 07:24 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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"It has been several days now and I have not seen one significant dispute of the officer's report."

Really, no dispute?  How about the one between the person who called the cops and was there as a eye witness and the arriving police officer?  http://news.aol.com/article/911-caller-lucia-whalen-in-gates-case/589497

"Tapes of the call released earlier this week revealed that Whalen did not mention race. When pressed by a dispatcher on whether the men were white, black or Hispanic, she said one of them might have been Hispanic.
"Now that the tapes are out, I hope people can see that I tried to be careful and honest with my words," Whalen said. "It never occurred to me that the way I reported what I saw be analyzed by an entire nation."
Cambridge police Commissioner Robert Haas acknowledged that the police report contains a reference to race, but said the report is merely a summary of events. The arresting officer, Sgt. James Crowley, has said his information on the race of the suspects came during a brief encounter with Whalen outside Gates' house; she contradicted that Thursday, saying she made no such description."




On the tape she says, after being questioned, that one might be Hispanic.  After several days of being called a racist she says she never told Crowley that they were black in a completely untaped conversation.  Let's look at this again.  Suburban do gooder calls the cops when she and a neighbor see somebody breaking in.  Cop shows up and they talk briefly before cop goes up to the door.  Cop files report.  Dogooder gets beaten up for days by a racialist bunch of assholes for accurately describing black people breaking into house.  For some reason a whole nation of retards thinks it is racist to describe black suspects as black.  Moonbat dogooder spins story to say she never mentioned race, when in fact she did on a tape.  Fucking spare me.  It isn't even significant if I thought it was true.
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"That is incorrect.  I knew the charges were dropped when I first heard of this or very shortly thereafter. They were dropped because THEY WERE TOO MUCH TROUBLE TO PURSUE.  That does not by any stretch amount to saying they were dropped solely because they were minor nor does it amount to a concession that they were not prosecutable.  Big mouths with friends and money don't get prosecuted for minor shit and make no mistake, that is what the decision to drop was all about.  You would still be on the docket and so would I."
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You knew? Then why would you say something like this just a few posts ago?

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zappaisgod said:If the law says he wasn't disorderly, and I do not for the least bit accept you assertion that it is clear, then he would have charges dropped or be cleared in a trial.








The full quote you chopped was this:

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If the law says he wasn't disorderly, and I do not for the least bit accept you assertion that it is clear, then he would have charges dropped or be cleared in a trial.  Sometimes charges get dropped just because it isn't worth the time and money to pursue a minor violation, especially when there is a gang of media assholes and a retarded President with a big fucking stupid mouth.





Don't be a liar.
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"I'm getting a pretty clear picture that if you were an OJ juror you would have voted to acquit."

Wow, and you accuse THIS guy of pulling the race card?




That isn't the "race" card, it's the "stupid" card.  I think you are blinded by race and cop hatred.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10787179 - 08/02/09 07:28 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, so your saying this guy deserved to go to jail, even if the law says otherwise?


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    #10787259 - 08/02/09 07:44 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think that is a typical result of a disorderly conduct arrest and I don't think you, more than the several officers at the scene all of whom back the arresting officer, have any credibility about what the law says.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10788269 - 08/02/09 10:28 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't think that is a typical result of a disorderly conduct arrest and I don't think you, more than the several officers at the scene all of whom back the arresting officer, have any credibility about what the law says.




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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10788429 - 08/02/09 10:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't think that is a typical result of a disorderly conduct arrest and I don't think you, more than the several officers at the scene all of whom back the arresting officer, have any credibility about what the law says.




Lets use a little of your unquestionable reasoning Zappa. 

Do you honestly think that the other officers INVOLVED in the arrest, are going to say it was wrong?  They are watching their own backs, just like anyone in that situation would. 

You can scream all day that the guy was pulling the race card,(for a lack of better understanding of the situation)  and I will agree with you.

Was his arrest OK?

No.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #10788550 - 08/02/09 11:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The motherfucker was pissed off for being accused of breaking into his OWN HOUSE. 

Im sure the cop was a dick about it. 

Is is really THAT HARD for you to at least see that its a possibility?


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    #10791004 - 08/03/09 10:42 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I don't think that is a typical result of a disorderly conduct arrest and I don't think you, more than the several officers at the scene all of whom back the arresting officer, have any credibility about what the law says.




Lets use a little of your unquestionable reasoning Zappa. 

Do you honestly think that the other officers INVOLVED in the arrest, are going to say it was wrong?  They are watching their own backs, just like anyone in that situation would.




If they thought it was wrong I would expect to say it was or, at the very least, not say anything at all. But that is not what they chose to do, is it?  They most certainly were not obliged to say anything but they freely of their own will decided to.  How were they involved, anyway, except for just being there?
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You can scream all day that the guy was pulling the race card,(for a lack of better understanding of the situation)  and I will agree with you.




Except that wasn't his main card, as I said before.  He pulled the Hahvuhd cahd, recognized as a sign of distinction and passport to the land beyond reproach the world over.  Later he got all "Yo mama."
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Was his arrest OK?

No.




So says you, not a lawyer, not a cop, not a paralegal.  You have zero knowledge of the law.  Just because you got a speeding ticket dropped doesn't mean any of the following things
1.  You weren't speeding
2.  You were racially profiled
3.  You bribed the judge

I know people who get off speeding tickets by showing up with a lawyer.  As soon as they see the lawyer involved they make a judgment that it is more trouble than it's worth.  Quite simple, really, and with zero presumption that the law is defective or that the ticket was improperly given.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #10791024 - 08/03/09 10:51 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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BuddahKillah said:
The motherfucker was pissed off for being accused of breaking into his OWN HOUSE. 

Im sure the cop was a dick about it. 

Is is really THAT HARD for you to at least see that its a possibility?





I did see that possibility.  I considered it and rejected it on the basis of everything I heard about the case, which was a lot more than you, judging by the information I provided vs the information you provided (a quote from Gates' lawyer).  Did you know that Crowley taught racial sensitivity classes and that Cambridge is a bastion of liberal weenieness and there is no way he could have survived in his job if he was a racist ass?

Gates wasn't accused of anything, he was just being an asshole, probably somewhat due to the fact that he just got home from a long trip, his door was fucked up, his leg hurt, etc.  But really, don't you think his reaction was bizarre?  The cop was just trying to make sure Gates' property was safe and Gates should have been grateful.

And here is your bigotry.  "Im sure the cop was a dick about it."  Based on zero evidence at all you are assuming the cop was confrontational.  Sad.  There is no way a confrontational, attitudinal cop could have survived in Cambridge Mass.  He would have been fired long ago.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: TGRR]
    #10791028 - 08/03/09 10:52 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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TGRR said:
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zappaisgod said:
I don't think that is a typical result of a disorderly conduct arrest and I don't think you, more than the several officers at the scene all of whom back the arresting officer, have any credibility about what the law says.




So your argument is that nobody besides cops should question the behavior of cops?




Nope.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10799715 - 08/04/09 06:10 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

BuddahKillah said:
The motherfucker was pissed off for being accused of breaking into his OWN HOUSE. 

Im sure the cop was a dick about it. 

Is is really THAT HARD for you to at least see that its a possibility?





I did see that possibility.  I considered it and rejected it on the basis of everything I heard about the case, which was a lot more than you, judging by the information I provided vs the information you provided (a quote from Gates' lawyer).  Did you know that Crowley taught racial sensitivity classes and that Cambridge is a bastion of liberal weenieness and there is no way he could have survived in his job if he was a racist ass?

Gates wasn't accused of anything, he was just being an asshole, probably somewhat due to the fact that he just got home from a long trip, his door was fucked up, his leg hurt, etc.  But really, don't you think his reaction was bizarre?  The cop was just trying to make sure Gates' property was safe and Gates should have been grateful.

And here is your bigotry.  "Im sure the cop was a dick about it."  Based on zero evidence at all you are assuming the cop was confrontational.  Sad.  There is no way a confrontational, attitudinal cop could have survived in Cambridge Mass.  He would have been fired long ago.





:bow2:

Just a comment about the "because some cops are RACIST... We should automatically assume all cops ARE RACIST" mentality.....

Are you aware of the numbers of 'people of african-american descent' that are either in jail, or in the process of committing a crime right now?

But, OF course.... It would be racist for me to assume that the cop did his job correctly and with average good will to all......  until there is a trial or evidence is available that shows otherwise?


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: Shad0w]
    #10800621 - 08/04/09 08:32 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Shad0w said:


Are you aware of the numbers of 'people of african-american descent' that are either in jail, or in the process of committing a crime right now?






i would have agreed with your post if it weren't for this completely off-point, bizarrely placed statement.


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Re: Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' [Re: Yrat]
    #10808004 - 08/05/09 11:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Just a comment about the "because some cops are RACIST... We should automatically assume all cops ARE RACIST" mentality.....




Means, I am describing a false reality. It simply is not TRUE that all cops are racists. But a lot of people like to believe it.

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Are you aware of the numbers of 'people of african-american descent' that are either in jail, or in the process of committing a crime right now?




Means, it is typical for a person to see the crime stats, and THEN choose to believe that MOST if not ALL blacks are criminals, -until- they are proven innocent.

But, OF course.... It would be racist for me to assume that the cop did his job correctly and with average good will to all......  until there is a trial or evidence is available that shows otherwise?

^makes sense if you could follow those two leaps.


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