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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: THC Titan]
    #10762038 - 07/29/09 03:52 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

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With the Gates example, you're just further proving my point. The title hearkens back to the life of a black person prior to the civil rights movement - it's a memoir, did you catch that? - and the title "Colored People" is used specifically because it is linked with the time period in which it takes place.


  Henry Gates is 6 years older than I am.  How many years younger than Gates do you have to be before you become a bigot for using Colored People?
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There's a noticeable difference in context between those examples and someone under 30 using the word "negro" to discuss why black people are stupid, inept at leadership, etc. etc. The word "negro" isn't necessarily racist in and of itself, but when pared next to other statements, it's pretty obvious when racism is going on.




Thank you.  You have now conceded that there is nothing inherently racist in using the word "Negro".


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #10762059 - 07/29/09 03:57 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

Can you shut up about that word? Everyone who is offended by that word needs a dictionary, the exception being if the word was intentionally chosen to refer to black people so that the speaker could get away with making a racist statement under the guise of the English language.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: THC Titan]
    #10762122 - 07/29/09 04:07 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

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Can you shut up about that word? Everyone who is offended by that word needs a dictionary, the exception being if the word was intentionally chosen to refer to black people so that the speaker could get away with making a racist statement under the guise of the English language.




I'm never niggardly in my use of words. I never will be niggardly in my choice of words. You should be embarrassed by your niggardly use of words.

The point, which so clearly slid right past you, is that there will always be assholes that find one word or another offensive.

I choose not to be affected by these small and weak minded individuals.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: THC Titan]
    #10762132 - 07/29/09 04:09 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

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Can you shut up about that word? Everyone who is offended by that word needs a dictionary, the exception being if the word was intentionally chosen to refer to black people so that the speaker could get away with making a racist statement under the guise of the English language.



You must be some mind reader.

"under the guise of the English language."
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10762182 - 07/29/09 04:18 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

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zappaisgod said:Henry Gates is 6 years older than I am.  How many years younger than Gates do you have to be before you become a bigot for using Colored People?
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You're not necessarily a bigot for using the word, it depends what words you place around it. My father grew up in South Carolina (he's the same age as Gates, if not a year older), went to college there, and then moved to a different state. My grandmother regularly used the words "jigaboos" and "nigger" around him but he apparently shed those words from his vocabulary when he left the area and started to interact with other educated professionals. Still, even with someone who is in their 50s I would feel awkward if they said something about "that negro" or "that colored person over there" while in public.

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Thank you.  You have now conceded that there is nothing inherently racist in using the word "Negro".




I never meant to suggest otherwise. But if you're someone who is young, educated and/or raised outside the rural South, I just don't see how that word would become your default label, or even an alternative label used, for black people. Unless you're someone who is a dedicated racist.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: THC Titan]
    #10762190 - 07/29/09 04:20 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

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the word was intentionally chosen to refer to black people so that the speaker could get away with making a racist statement under the guise of the English language.




is this true?


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: lonestar2004]
    #10762236 - 07/29/09 04:33 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

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lonestar2004 said:
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the word was intentionally chosen to refer to black people so that the speaker could get away with making a racist statement under the guise of the English language.




is this true?




Well, you've asked the right person.  He is, after all, the Thought Police.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10762243 - 07/29/09 04:35 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

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Can you shut up about that word? Everyone who is offended by that word needs a dictionary, the exception being if the word was intentionally chosen to refer to black people so that the speaker could get away with making a racist statement under the guise of the English language.



You must be some mind reader.

"under the guise of the English language."
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?




No, it would be pretty obvious. For example, if someone wants to make a racist comment about a black person or group of black people, they couldn't call them niggers, but they might call them "niggardly" *wink* *wink*.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: lonestar2004]
    #10762252 - 07/29/09 04:36 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

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the word was intentionally chosen to refer to black people so that the speaker could get away with making a racist statement under the guise of the English language.




is this true?




I'm speaking about in general. It could be true if someone made it true.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: THC Titan]
    #10762342 - 07/29/09 04:53 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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THC Titan said:
Can you shut up about that word? Everyone who is offended by that word needs a dictionary, the exception being if the word was intentionally chosen to refer to black people so that the speaker could get away with making a racist statement under the guise of the English language.



You must be some mind reader.

"under the guise of the English language."
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?




No, it would be pretty obvious. For example, if someone wants to make a racist comment about a black person or group of black people, they couldn't call them niggers, but they might call them "niggardly" *wink* *wink*.



I remember a few years back some retard who worked in a government agency demanded that someone be fired for using the word "niggardly".
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In Washington a few weeks ago, David Howard, a white gay man serving as the city's ombudsman, bemoaned the paucity of his budget. "I will have to be niggardly with this fund," he told coworkers, "because it's not going to be a lot of money." One of his listeners was shocked by the sound of the word and spread the news quickly that Howard had used an expression rooted in the hated epithet nigger. Blacks, who make up a majority of the capital's population, expressed their alarm and dismay. Howard resigned for the good of the city and race relations, and the new mayor, Anthony A. Williams, a black often criticized by his opponents for acting and thinking like a white, accepted the resignation with dispatch. Mayor Williams said that Howard, by using the word niggardly, was like someone "caught smoking in a refinery that resulted in an explosion."

The mayor and Howard's critics, however, had confused their etymology. The word niggardly derives from the Middle English nig, a word rooted in Old Norse that means a stingy person. It has nothing to do with nigger, an offensive slang expression coming from nègre, a French noun that means a black person. Noting all this, NAACP Chairman Julian Bond castigated Mayor Williams for being "niggardly in his judgment on this issue." "You hate to think you have to censor your language to meet other people's lack of understanding," said Bond.




http://www.stanleymeisler.com/news-commentary/words.html

Although I'm not sure Mr. Bond was using it correctly.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10762710 - 07/29/09 05:43 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

Look, it doesn't matter if you think the word 'negro' isn't racist. The fact remains that if you keep using it people will think you are. Is that what you want?


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: zouden]
    #10762817 - 07/29/09 06:03 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

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"You hate to think you have to censor your language to meet other people's lack of understanding," said Bond.





I have long ago ceased worrying about what retards think of me.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10762953 - 07/29/09 06:26 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

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Look, it doesn't matter if you think the word 'negro' isn't racist. The fact remains that if you keep using it people will think you are. Is that what you want?




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"You hate to think you have to censor your language to meet other people's lack of understanding," said Bond.







Why would I care what moronic half-witted buffoons think of me?

I refuse to dumb myself down to their level of ignorance.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10763019 - 07/29/09 06:35 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

Do you use the word "negro" in your day-to-day language with people you've just met?


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: zouden]
    #10763058 - 07/29/09 06:41 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

I do.  You might be surprised how much the spanish language is used in america.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: zouden]
    #10763077 - 07/29/09 06:45 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

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Do you use the word "negro" in your day-to-day language with people you've just met?



I can't imagine that conversation.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: DieCommie]
    #10763581 - 07/29/09 08:13 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

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I do.  You might be surprised how much the spanish language is used in america.




:lol:

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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10769634 - 07/30/09 06:15 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

The whole incident has been blown out of proportion because of the racially charged nature of it and how the media goes nuts over such things.

Black professor breaks into his locked home.  Somebody thinks that looks suspicious and calls the police.  Police show up and the guy only shows a Harvard ID.  Police have not been shown verifiable proof that the guy should be at the residence.  Black professor starts screaming and acting like an idiot.  The douchebag deserved to go to jail for not cooperating with the police.  If he had just shut his mouth and provided the information that they needed there would have been no problem.  But, he decided to get irate and pull the race-card.

As he whined about being a "black man in America" I wonder if he ever paused to consider that he probably earns ten times what that white police officer does.  Did he bother to recognize that he has more education, status, and power than that cop ever will?  If that's not a testament to how far we have come as a society I don't know what is.  But, oh no....let's act like a child and play the victim.  This victim mentality does nothing but breed tension and separatism between the races.  People like him cause more harm to race relations in this country than any white supremacist ever could.  Maybe he should think of that as he teaches his next politically-correct African American studies class to spoiled Harvard kids or when he vomits out a thesis that only pedantic and navel-gazing elitist academics will read.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: zouden]
    #10781983 - 08/01/09 09:45 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

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Do you use the word "negro" in your day-to-day language with people you've just met?





FYI, on the island I lived on in the Carib, Negro is primarily used when indicating skin color. If you asked a lot of people they would often say "blacks" are those of African ancestry who are living in the states. Obviously the word's usage is, in large part, a result of former imperial power's influence.

The fact that some people take offense at the use of certain cognates depending on their current geographical location is disturbing to me.

They're only words. Relax, niggas.


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Re: Union Chief: Obama Should Apologize To Cambridge Police [Re: d33p]
    #10783937 - 08/02/09 04:41 AM (12 years, 1 day ago)

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The fact that some people take offense at the use of certain cognates depending on their current geographical location is disturbing to me.




You find it disturbing that different cultures have different social norms?


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