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Better nature: Canada or Australia?
#10725866 - 07/23/09 08:34 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Im thinking of moving to one of these countries.
I would move to US if it wasnt for fucked up laws and overpopulation...
So Canada or Australia it is. In Canada you can have 4 whole seasons, wheres Australia is always subtropical/tropical.
Both have a decent supply of chms , but its the weather/climate im worried about.
I want to move out into the country and have a large forest by my door or something, i want some land, some animals - horses cows chickens maybe, dogs and cats...
Have any of you been to these countries? What was it like?
Where is the cheapest land?
And its a bitch to get thro immigration laws in both cases but im a professional with post grad education so i should be able to get in.
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: desant]
#10730002 - 07/23/09 10:16 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can't speak for australia, but i wouldn't give up Canada for anything.
I live about 3 hours away from Vancouver BC. Vancouver is a rain forest and bustling city with lots to offer, i live in a semi arrid desert with lots of claybanks, down the road in all directions are beautiful lakes for fishing/boating/swimming - we're a hop skip and a jump away from the rocky mountains.
Great mountain biking, hiking, camping + all sorts of recreation options.
Lots of people in the rural communities (im surrounded on all sides by small rural communities) who are living the dream with chickens and dogs and goats, etc.
Hunters, 4x4's, dirt bikes, snowmobiles, ice fishing, worldclass skiing and snowboarding, snowshoeing...
I LOVE BC, lots of big mountains and lots of trees, however, in my circumstances, the city i live in is less than ideal as far as people is concerned, but its where i grew up, so of course i want to leave...
Depending what your looking for, id could recommend some areas of Canada to check out/research.
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: desant]
#10730750 - 07/24/09 01:05 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am currently living in Australia and have lived most of my life in New Zealand.
Australia is a diverse country with a Tropical north, a desert interior and temperate forests in the south. I am living in Victoria at the base of The Yarra Ranges, we have snow on the mountains at this time of year. The people are good out in country areas, hardworking farmer types. City people I find to be a bit shallow, Look at Me syndrome. Wages are good and quality of life in general is very good. Land prices are very expensive close to the city but the further away you get the cheaper it is. Where I am living you could buy a 3 bedroom brick & tile house for around $200 000 Aud. Although I live a good two hours from the city of Melbourne.
I have never been to Canada but have met lots of people from there travelling through New Zealand, it sounds like a beautiful country with easy going people and a great landscape.
I for one think Australia has some Draconian laws and that is one reason to look at Canada, their Government seems to be a bit more innovative. 
What about NZ? Have you looked into that? Beautiful country and very laid back.
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: desant]
#10733011 - 07/24/09 01:29 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Australia has 4 seasons but further south. Where I am we have temperate rainforest, native bush, snow capped mountains. Rivers lakes. Mushroom hunting lasts 5 good months here too.
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: DeathCompany] 1
#10735727 - 07/24/09 10:19 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I live about 3 hours away from Vancouver BC. Vancouver is a rain forest and bustling city with lots to offer, i live in a semi arrid desert with lots of claybanks, down the road in all directions are beautiful lakes for fishing/boating/swimming - we're a hop skip and a jump away from the rocky mountains.
You're probably not far away from me then. I'm right across the Canada border from Grand Forks, BC.
There's plenty of isolated parts in the US too. Here's a shot of our house in winter. We're the last place on a dead-end canyon road up the mountain, and our property borders national forest on two sides. I can hike from my backyard into 1.3 million acres of wilderness, and that's just on the US side. It's national park in BC too, which I can reach in one day backpacking through the mountains.
The mountain behind the house is my personal snowboarding hill in the winter, and my dogs and my hiking spot in summer. I can ride my snowboard from the summit nearly to my back yard without stopping, provided I don't fall down. RR
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#10738574 - 07/25/09 03:48 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I live about 3 hours away from Vancouver BC. Vancouver is a rain forest and bustling city with lots to offer, i live in a semi arrid desert with lots of claybanks, down the road in all directions are beautiful lakes for fishing/boating/swimming - we're a hop skip and a jump away from the rocky mountains.
You're probably not far away from me then. I'm right across the Canada border from Grand Forks, BC.
There's plenty of isolated parts in the US too. Here's a shot of our house in winter. We're the last place on a dead-end canyon road up the mountain, and our property borders national forest on two sides. I can hike from my backyard into 1.3 million acres of wilderness, and that's just on the US side. It's national park in BC too, which I can reach in one day backpacking through the mountains.
The mountain behind the house is my personal snowboarding hill in the winter, and my dogs and my hiking spot in summer. I can ride my snowboard from the summit nearly to my back yard without stopping, provided I don't fall down. RR

Jesus christ man, you have a fucking tight set up!
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: PDU]
#10738593 - 07/25/09 03:51 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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PDU said: I can't speak for australia, but i wouldn't give up Canada for anything.
I live about 3 hours away from Vancouver BC. Vancouver is a rain forest and bustling city with lots to offer, i live in a semi arrid desert with lots of claybanks, down the road in all directions are beautiful lakes for fishing/boating/swimming - we're a hop skip and a jump away from the rocky mountains.
Great mountain biking, hiking, camping + all sorts of recreation options.
Lots of people in the rural communities (im surrounded on all sides by small rural communities) who are living the dream with chickens and dogs and goats, etc.
Hunters, 4x4's, dirt bikes, snowmobiles, ice fishing, worldclass skiing and snowboarding, snowshoeing...
I LOVE BC, lots of big mountains and lots of trees, however, in my circumstances, the city i live in is less than ideal as far as people is concerned, but its where i grew up, so of course i want to leave...
Depending what your looking for, id could recommend some areas of Canada to check out/research.
This.
you should me what city/town I am in the EXACT same area luls.
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: k4ge]
#10742995 - 07/26/09 12:27 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lord Mayonnaise - Jesus, look at that shit!
Anyway, ive been doing my calculaations, and THIS is what i come up with:
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: desant]
#10743037 - 07/26/09 12:35 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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haha thats me!
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: desant]
#10748211 - 07/27/09 09:07 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ticks??????? In Canada?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10391200

5 bonus points towards australia!!
Altough they have all kinds of funky snakes and spidders in there
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: desant]
#10749061 - 07/27/09 12:32 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont know about you but look at canadian midlands - east of Calgary - its all WASTELANDS, very unpretty and gloomy! :| Reminds me of film "Ginger snaps" very un inviting...
Whats the best place in Canada? Lots of people rave about Vancouver and BC, whats the best place in BC soomewhere outside of vancover?
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: desant]
#10749116 - 07/27/09 12:42 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think when the time comes, i need to fly to Toronto, buy a train ticket to Vancouver and just spend couple of days stairng out the window and check out whats to be seen, then makaing a decision where to stay...
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: desant]
#10752815 - 07/27/09 11:50 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Depends what your more focused on...
Do you want an art scene and hip culture and good nightlife...
Or a small town with amazing kayaking/hiking/outdoors life...
Do you want to live in a city, or a town? Will your occupation be a factor in where you settle?
I Highly recommend going to the kootenays (BC) in particular the city of Nelson. Lots of hippies, good eats, shows, festivals, + a summer and winter outdoor activity wonderland, also very marijuana friendly - lots of lakes with small towns nestled in big heavily forested mountains. Lots of hotsprings too! Not much industry besides the saw mill though. - its personally my favorite part of BC.
Alberta is nice in the rocky's, but its all touristy in banff and jasper and super expensive to live. Oil drilling is the primary industry and therefore the "vibe" in alberta is of people with alot of ego and alot of money. Its pretty crazy, rednecks with big trucks doing blow - is the stereotype which is fairly accurate. - also, the prairies suck, unless your a farmer.
Manitoba and saskatchewan - i wouldn't even bother checking out. Nothing much special about them... Winepeg maybe, but its one of the more dangerous places in Canada.
Ontario - lots of industry, TONS of lakes + the great lakes. Different scene over there... i might end up there looking for work. Nothing too notable about it though...
PEI, novascotia, newfoundland - all amazing scenery, really small, not densely populated. Fishing is the main industry i believe... Worth checking out if your after nature. People have funny accents over there! - really simple, laid back lifestyle too.... I REALLY want to go east!
Also, the queen charlotte islands might be of interest to you - amazing old rainforest with a set of animals and plants unique to that location...
Sounds like your leaning towards Canada, so maybe that'll help you know whats up before you arrive.
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: PDU]
#10754466 - 07/28/09 09:51 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I love the outdoors, so BC and Yukon are my two favorite places in Canada. I just wish the US customs service wasn't such assholes. The nearest hardware stores and lumber yards to me are across the border in Grand Forks, BC but every time I cross the border, I get a full search and the third degree because I 'went to Canada' for only a few hours. The bastards assume I've got a load of bud and the hardware/lumber is only a cover. My last trip took me three hours to get back in. In a way, it means they let the terrorists win on 911. RR
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#10757177 - 07/28/09 06:05 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: I love the outdoors, so BC and Yukon are my two favorite places in Canada. I just wish the US customs service wasn't such assholes. The nearest hardware stores and lumber yards to me are across the border in Grand Forks, BC but every time I cross the border, I get a full search and the third degree because I 'went to Canada' for only a few hours. The bastards assume I've got a load of bud and the hardware/lumber is only a cover. My last trip took me three hours to get back in. In a way, it means they let the terrorists win on 911. RR
Thats rough man.
I how is Canadian side customs?
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: k4ge]
#10757432 - 07/28/09 06:50 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Australia is nice to live in.
Melbourne and Sydney however are becoming overcrowded.
Sydney has much better weather while Melbourne's weather sucks!!
Id probably live in Canada seeing as though you get 4 PROPER seasons and I grew up in northern parts of Europe so I know what's it like to be outside in -25 C. Plus Canada is so much bigger than Australia.
I guess if you like warm climate, then move to Sydney or Brisbane. If you like shitty cold climate (no snow) in winter and really hot 40 degree summer days then move to Melbourne.
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: desant]
#10760432 - 07/29/09 08:04 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Australia by a long shot. They have every type of environment you could want. Tropical rain forests, temperate rainforests, bush, scrub, desert, mountains, reefs. By far the coolest and most diverse country I've ever been to.
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: Gumby]
#10760933 - 07/29/09 10:11 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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What puts me off of BC Canada is wastelands to the east and ticks (ticks still unconfirmed)
Australia - nasty anntidrug laws, and this dodgy rotten feeling - half the time my experience in AU was awesome, the other half was terrible, feel like giving canada another shot
Still plenty of time to think about this shit...
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: desant]
#10763319 - 07/29/09 05:20 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh yeah, ticks forsure. I can find them in my backyard.
I wouldn't worry about it, the bears are alot scarier - but still nothing compared to the vicious wildlife in Australia, snakes, spiders, sharks... vs. a tick?
Im not sure what wastelands your talking about.








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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: desant]
#10797092 - 08/04/09 07:18 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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What went wrong with your trip to Australia? Other than the majority of the food I had being shitty, I had a great time.
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: Gumby]
#10798968 - 08/04/09 02:03 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hummmmmmmmmmmm, australia and canada both have 9 vootes each
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: PDU]
#10801796 - 08/04/09 09:42 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Im not sure what wastelands your talking about.
Probably from all the forest fires this summer. My place has been full of smoke for three weeks now from all the fires burning in eastern BC. Hopefully, the rain later this week will put some of them out.
Ticks are nothing in BC. There's a few, but if you really want ticks, go to Texas or Oklahoma.  RR
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: RogerRabbit]
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Come to oz, I've never been to Canada but I've grown up here and it's great to say the least.
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#10804790 - 08/05/09 12:08 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Ticks are nothing in BC. There's a few, but if you really want ticks, go to Texas or Oklahoma.  RR
Plus, the farther you are from the Northeast, the less likely you are to find a tick carrying Lyme's disease. It's pretty rare in the Pacific Northwest.
I've been to NSW & Victoria (spent time in Sydney, Melbourne and on the coast by the 12 Apostles) and also BC (Vancouver, Whistler, and a tiny town way up in the mountains called Clint). Both NSW and BC were truly beautiful places but personally I would choose to live in BC. Watching the seasons change in the Rockies seals the deal.
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: PDU]
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I love living in Canada but the winters in Quebec are the worst, I cannot wait to move. The people are pretty chill over here, although I haven't spent too much time outside Quebec. I've spend a couple weeks in Australia as a kid with my dad I loved it, more beautiful than eastern Canada for sure. Also, Australia has more interesting wildlife if you ask me.
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: ozsultan]
#10844606 - 08/12/09 09:22 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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ozsultan said: Come to oz, I've never been to Canada but I've grown up here and it's great to say the least.
Its not like i havent tried........ unless YOU want to be foster parents its gonna be few more years before i move anywher thank to messed up imiration legistlations - back in 75 they changed it alllll.... it used to be like EU - live anywhere you want.
"Watching the seasons change in the Rockies seals the deal. "
Thata is a good thing, i am looking forward to this also.
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: Sebastien]
#10844613 - 08/12/09 09:26 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10844560
Also check out this ^^^
I want to get a dog .... but quarantine SUCKS!
What should i do?
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: desant]
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Canada only requires your dog have his shots, plus you need to get a form from Canada customs and have your vet fill it out and sign it. I take my dog into Canada all the time, since I only live a few miles from the border. RR
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: RogerRabbit]
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Ohh really??
Thats interesting, thanks for the tip
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: desant]
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I grew up in Melbourne Australia my whole life and while I am fond of this city and country I would pick Canada without hesitation. I have lived in Vancouver for a year and found it supernatural. I don't know how your spreadsheet ranks Vancouver low on the supernatural/lake/nature factors but it is leaps and bounds beyond what Australia has to offer. There are not many cities like Vancouver where mountains surround you and you can take a local bus to go snowboarding 10 min from the city.
Although I am speaking with a grass is greener perspective, but i've done extensive travel of the westcoast of North America, and i was truly blown away with the diversity the continent has to offer (and that was just only the west side). Yes Australia is diverse, but you will have to travel a long way before you notice any difference in landscape. Sure we have deserts, mountains, beaches, lakes and that, but I feel like you get a lot more bang for buck in North America, especially if you're based in Vancouver. There's a high density of impressive and diverse national parks and nature within a smaller radius.
When you live here for a long time, the scenery becomes a little stale. I get tired of seeing eucalyptus trees everywhere in OZ! The trees in the PNW are gorgeous and really lights up the landscape. There are many different types of native trees in PNW that really makes it so nice to immerse yourself or see it from a distance.
I would find it very hard to believe if anyone from the PNW to get tired of their nature. If you drove 6+hours from Vancouver you would get to see awe-inspiring country and mountains. You're next to Alaska and just a day trip away from California, which is arguably the best place for nature/city living. Then you have the entire southwest to explore (Utah, Colorado, Arizona) with amazingly jaw dropping nature.
Although if you do become an Australian citizen, you have the advantage to live in NZ which offers some amazing nature. But North America really has better infrastructure for nature and outdoor activities. You can roadtrip anywhere in the continent and you have cheap and short international flights to other places around the world. From Australia expect to always pay at least $1600+ flights to most places in the world and 24 hour flying.
I know this thread is old but i'll just leave my thoughts here if anyone does stumble upon it. I'm curious to hear where you ended up living and how that's working out for you.
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: Cheatz]
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It's funny, I live in Vancouver (although was raised in the interior of BC.) Although it is beautiful, i certainly take it for granted!
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: PDU]
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CANADA. I wouldnt want to live anywhere else. From coast to coast you have the rugged east coast, the shield terrain, rugged and rolling with swathes of untouched forest, the prairie, mountains and even a Mediterranean style climate in Victoria BC. It is a wonderful place that provides a good quality of life and is very diverse and wonderful.
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: LordHuron]
#19956394 - 05/07/14 09:50 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree with everything LordHuron says. However, i would like to live somewhere like Hawaii or Australia with warmer weather year around ....
New Zealand sounds very comparable to Canada, although maybe less diverse?
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: Cheatz]
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You do realize that the thread you just replied to is almost 5 years old, right?
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Re: Better nature: Canada or Australia? [Re: Gumby]
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Maybe whoever is trying to make this decision is very indecisive or an intense procrastinator! didnt think about that did you!
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