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RichShroom
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Can woodlovers suck up & contain tree poisons ? Trametes versicolor / Turkey-Tail
#10713702 - 07/21/09 08:10 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hi,
I've got some positively ID'd Trametes versicolor aka Turkey-Tail growing on a tree log in my back yard.
I want to make some medicinal tea for my own test consumption, and then to share with others.
My last safety issue before consuming is the issue of whether or not a mushroom can pull poisons out of the tree bark/wood and into its flesh.
Do I need to get an ID on the tree species to be safe ?
Advice appreciated.
Thanks.
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koraks
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Re: Can woodlovers suck up & contain tree poisons ? Trametes versicolor / Turkey-Tail [Re: RichShroom]
#10713716 - 07/21/09 08:12 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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What tree species is/was it?
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RichShroom
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Re: Can woodlovers suck up & contain tree poisons ? Trametes versicolor / Turkey-Tail [Re: koraks]
#10713900 - 07/21/09 08:54 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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koraks said: What tree species is/was it?
I'm not really sure, that is 1/2 the problem.
I found logs in my new back yard woodpile, that could have come from any one of 3 trees.
I'm not able to do a sight ID on any of them, so I was trying to find the general answer "is poison a possibility" before I had to make a tree ID mission to my local botanical gardens experts.
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Can woodlovers suck up & contain tree poisons ? Trametes versicolor / Turkey-Tail [Re: RichShroom]
#10714180 - 07/21/09 10:03 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mushrooms are very good at filtering organic toxins, so they won't suck up the poison from the tree.
They do suck up heavy metal based toxins, but those wouldn't naturally be in a tree.
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mattianyb
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Re: Can woodlovers suck up & contain tree poisons ? Trametes versicolor / Turkey-Tail [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#10714255 - 07/21/09 10:17 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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like creosite with coprinus ink caps on a rail road track.
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[quote]Bretdaniel said: Any idea's what they might be? Think any are eatable?[/quote]
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lIXII
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Re: Can woodlovers suck up & contain tree poisons ? Trametes versicolor / Turkey-Tail [Re: RichShroom] 1
#10715183 - 07/21/09 01:11 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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In addition, particularly in the northern hemisphere, there are exceptionally few poisonous trees; Taxus spp. or the yew, rhododendron and poison sumac are all more shrub like, boxwood, chinaberry and buckeye / horsechestnut round out the list and all these have the lowest concentration of poison in the wood, of all tree parts. Elder is the only tree that has 'poison' in the wood, though this will only cause diarrhea / vomiting, and you would know elder wood due to the large hollow / pithy center.
- forgot to add the Rhamnaceae - or buckthorns, which also potentially contain purgative compounds in the wood-
The most poisonous substance that is typically found in tree wood would be organic acids such as tannins - these substances will cause constipation and precipitation of proteins (mostly causing digestive & mild kidney upset)- but you would know if a high enough level of these substances were in your specimens due to the extreme astringency, or tight-dry feeling that they give to the mucous membrane (your mouth)upon tasting. Many of these acids are the building blocks for medicinal compounds within mushrooms.
Based on my research with medicinal mushrooms of this type, mostly involving Ganoderma spp., and Trametes the type of tree on which the mushroom fruits does indeed affect the constituents of the mushroom, although not in a predictable pattern. IE the mushrooms tend to contain different constituents (particularly the volatile ones, aka essential oils) based on which tree they grow on, although none of those volatiles are pre-existing in the tree wood!
I have never found a 'poison' from the tree on which the mushroom grows in that mushroom.
Edited by lIXII (07/21/09 01:24 PM)
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German Kahuna
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Re: Can woodlovers suck up & contain tree poisons ? Trametes versicolor / Turkey-Tail [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#10715334 - 07/21/09 01:36 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said: Mushrooms are very good at filtering organic toxins, so they won't suck up the poison from the tree.
They do suck up heavy metal based toxins, but those wouldn't naturally be in a tree.
Speaking of metals... I spawned some cubensis mycelium to bulk substrate in throwaway aluminum lasagna trays just to check how they'd do and to see if these trays'd be suitable for (edibles) grow kits of some sort. I tell you what: it looks like the mycelium is eating right through the aluminum hull, fucking A!
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lIXII
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Re: Can woodlovers suck up & contain tree poisons ? Trametes versicolor / Turkey-Tail [Re: German Kahuna]
#10715409 - 07/21/09 01:47 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I should clarify so as to bring the right light to these dear trees; 'poison' is, of course, a relative term. Most of the 'toxins' in these tree species are also the medicinal substances which confer healing.
Tannins (one type of which are proanthocyanidins) protect the vasculature and heal infectious diarrhea, among others-
Buckeye is a potent nervous system and cancer fighting antioxidant-
etc etc
The line between poison and medicine relies only upon knowledge.
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istandalone
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Re: Can woodlovers suck up & contain tree poisons ? Trametes versicolor / Turkey-Tail [Re: German Kahuna]
#10715607 - 07/21/09 02:21 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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yea i found that out the hard way too. the batch of pes Hawaiian I'm fruiting now in a shotgun terr has some crazy strong mycelium. i use 4" dia lexan/plexi discs as my perlite coasters and the myc on one of the cakes is trying like hell to attach itself to the disc! that's some strong myc i guess!!
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RichShroom
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Re: Can woodlovers suck up & contain tree poisons ? Trametes versicolor / Turkey-Tail [Re: German Kahuna]
#10719065 - 07/22/09 04:38 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks guys.
I've partially liquidised the mushrooms, and slow boiled for 3 hours. I'll be trying a strained portion for the first time today.
It's my first small step into the medicinal mushroom arena. I'm hoping to stimulate some local interest in the benefits of immune system boosters for people infected with HiV.
-------------------- * B+ fruited & consumed * Hawaiin pins * Amazonian knots * Panaeolus cambodginiensis colonising Most people do not really want freedom because freedom involves responsibility and most people are frightened of responsibility.
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