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Cultivation Penalties
    #10718046 - 07/21/09 10:02 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I would like to try my hand at cultivating, but my wife has some valid concerns. First, I couldn't find anything searching for the penalty for growing cubes, also I have 3 children, 2 asthmatic, and the other is prone to very high fevers sometimes causing seizures, so on occaision the paramedics or police have to come help. I planned on putting the fruiting chamber in my closet with a florescent full spectrum plant light bulb, in the hood of a fish tank :smirk:, and a fan to keep fresh air circulating. I'd have the door partially open most of the time to vent fresh air in, but she is also concerned that they will make the house(or at least the closed/clothes) smell like mushrooms. We don't do any other type of drugs, and actually havn't tripped on shrooms together yet, so the police have no interest in us for drugs. Anyone have any experiences that may help put her mind at ease. This is a project I am very excited to embark on, but I will respect her decision, and want to be honest about others experiences regarding her concerns. Can anyone shed some light?


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Re: Cultivation Penalties [Re: Bipolardox]
    #10718582 - 07/22/09 12:27 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Where are you located?

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Re: Cultivation Penalties [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #10718586 - 07/22/09 12:28 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Seattle Wa. How many forums do you cover Alan?


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Re: Cultivation Penalties [Re: Bipolardox]
    #10731913 - 07/24/09 09:02 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

You could probably go out and find P. Azures by the bucket load if you got a good field guide and knew what you were doing. If you have cops over at your house all the time, then it's a bad idea.

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Re: Cultivation Penalties [Re: Bipolardox]
    #10732594 - 07/24/09 12:14 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I couldn't find the exact laws in your state with a google search.  I pretty much know what it would say though - A felony punishable by a couple years in prison, but they generally sentence you to 3 years of probation if its your first time getting caught. 

They might take the kids though and put them in a foster home or with another relative. 

Since you have cops over sometimes, its imperative that everything suspicious gets locked in a closet, or better yet a large chest.  The further away from the kids areas the better.

If you want a real answer, ask some lawyers in your area that deal with drug law.  They will know if the authorities generally seize kids for grow ops, or only in the cases where it looks like the kids were in real danger.

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Re: Cultivation Penalties [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #10734836 - 07/24/09 07:16 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Kids come first.
Always

Hunting and storing dried in freezer, etc, much more inconspicuous. With enough hunting practice and experience I should be able to locate enough throughout the different seasons for personal use throughout the year. It still sounds like so much fun though, Think I'll still try it, just with gourmets.
Thank you Alan for your help , as always looking out for the well being of others. I'd give you more ratings if I could, or can I? hmmmmmmm


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Re: Cultivation Penalties [Re: Bipolardox]
    #10735396 - 07/24/09 09:14 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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also I have 3 children, 2 asthmatic




not so much a security issue but I'd be slightly concerned about the spores from any type of mushroom cultivation having a negative impact on the asthmatic children.  especially edibles such as oysters.

I've noticed some problems with allergies when fan drying indoors as well.  spores get everywhere, unless you harvested everything way early.

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Re: Cultivation Penalties [Re: Beefy1]
    #10736920 - 07/25/09 06:25 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Here's a great thread if you're concerned about discretion:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10605734/fpart/1/vc/1


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Re: Cultivation Penalties [Re: myceleus_rex]
    #10739178 - 07/25/09 06:13 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Good point.  Non-sterile cultivation outdoors of a species like Psilocybe cyanescens or Psilocybe cyanofriscosa is very hard to detect.  It can be as simple as picking a mushroom and burying the stem butt in some fresh wood chips in your yard, then watering.

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Re: Cultivation Penalties [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #10739264 - 07/25/09 06:33 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Grow sclerotia. No spores to make the kids sick and no need for a growing chamber. Just jars hidden away in a box somewhere.

A box(12) of full pint jars will make roughly 24 trips worth of sclerotia in a 3 month period.


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Re: Cultivation Penalties [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #10739493 - 07/25/09 07:28 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

YYEEEAAAAHHH!!!!, I just discovered that today, I told my wife "we just label the jars ""Beans 1987"" and put them in the back of the kitchen cupboard" she nodded "then if anyone comes across them for any reason (not that we have ever had any legal trouble, this is probably the worst thing I've done since I was 16) they will take one look at the jar, read the label, and there is no way in hell they will open it to find out" :puke:
I'm looking for the spores for it, so far I found Psilocybe mexicana from sporeworks. I'll order when I have some money :grin:
In the meantime I found yet more subbs, same place as usual but much larger, getting ready to print them but I had a more mycological question (AR?) If I find a location with an abundance of Pan foes. But no cintulus, are the nutrients needed for both species the same? I know they co-habitat, but if there are none and only foenisecii, would that indicate a lack of specific nutrients, or just that the species has not been introduced?


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Re: Cultivation Penalties [Re: Bipolardox]
    #10739970 - 07/25/09 08:56 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Not every lawn that can support a specific species will have that species. Just the same as every cow field won't have cubes though most of them can support cube growth.

You should try to get Psilocybe galindoii (ATL#7) spores. Its the best sclerotia producer that I've grown. They have spores at sporeworks. I'd send you a print but after checking my collection I only have 1 left.


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Re: Cultivation Penalties [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #10740009 - 07/25/09 09:10 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Cool, I'll order a print, I'm assuming I can get more out of a print (honey water LC) then 1 syringe? Make LC master, fridge it, make more, ... and more .... .... AND MORE!!!
I ask about nutrients as I am starting a LC of P. cintulus, to take to places I've found lots of foenisecii, and try to introduce the subbs. I figured I'd inject 2" below surface in nice area of new sod, but with only foes.


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Re: Cultivation Penalties [Re: Bipolardox]
    #10740203 - 07/25/09 09:53 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

It'd probably be easier to add some cinctulus caps in a blender with water and liquefy it. Then just pour that on the sod lawns.

A LC with all those nutrients and sugars would probably help competing microbes out grow and kill the mycelium.

Plain water and subb caps shouldn't have that problem. People do the same thing with wood lovers and pour the slurry in wood chip piles to start new patches.

Good to see another Seattlite starting new patches.


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Re: Cultivation Penalties [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #10759979 - 07/29/09 04:07 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

WA must be pretty easy going on this stuff.  PF conspired to grow more cubes than anyone who's lived AND was busted growing them himself.  He got something like a year of house arrest and some probation if I remember right.  I'm sure you can dig up the case if you want.


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Re: Cultivation Penalties [Re: fastfred]
    #10760145 - 07/29/09 06:09 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Wasn't PF busted by the Feds/DEA?

He got a damn good deal if that was a federal case.


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Re: Cultivation Penalties [Re: fastfred]
    #10765872 - 07/30/09 01:19 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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fastfred said:
WA must be pretty easy going on this stuff.  PF conspired to grow more cubes than anyone who's lived AND was busted growing them himself.  He got something like a year of house arrest and some probation if I remember right.  I'm sure you can dig up the case if you want.


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That was a federal case though, so its bound to be a bit different.


OP:

For less than 2kg of the drug (which is defined almost certainly as anything with psilocy... in it, so probably includes PF style cakes if they want to be dicks about it, likely including vermiculte and rock and shit):


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may be imprisoned for not more than ten years... fined not more than twenty-five thousand dollars if the crime involved less than two kilograms of the drug, or both such imprisonment and fine;






So max of ten years and 25,000 dolalrs.


I don't know if they have sentencing guidelines or mandatory minimums, but you should be able to look these up yourself by doing google searches and searching washington statutes.

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Re: Cultivation Penalties [Re: johnm214]
    #10771846 - 07/30/09 11:55 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Finding it's easier to redistribute spores/material to locations where specimens were found or like habitat. No guarantee or at least chances of success are less then indoor cultivating, but then again so is the penalty. Caught growing a bunch of mushrooms, or pooring dirty looking water in some grass. Hmmm.
Reason not to cultivate.
* Yesterday my daughter wasn't acting right, couldn't focus, labored breathing. Recognizing the onset of a feveral seizure, I immediately got her into a cool shower to lower her body temp and try to prevent from going into full convulsions. Too little too late, Her seizure kicked in full blast, Less then 3 min. to get her stabilized on the floor(laying on side, clear airway etc) the medics were en route. 5 min later, I had 1 tri-med ambulance with 2 emt's, 1 fire dept ambulance w/ 4 firefighters, and 1 fully loaded fire truck with an additional 8 firefighters. Needless to say my room was packed with people, many watching my daughter, and the rest looking around my bedroom. Unfortunately I had 2 plates covered with subbs drying in the open top drawer of my dresser and another on a book case in the living room. That one was too high to see, luckily I managed to squeak by and close my dresser drawer nonchalantly. All in all, my daughters safety came before hiding my drugs however well hidden they were. Had I had a full FC with the closet door open, it would have raised more questions then what appeared to be two plates with something nasty in an already messy house.
Though it sounds like fun, there is just too many unrelated health issues with our kids that have cause for authorities to come in too often, 1 slip on a larger scale, and the health of my kids will be the responsibility of whoever the state gives them to. Though I have a great hobby to look forward to retiring for :vaped:
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Re: Cultivation Penalties [Re: Bipolardox]
    #10772793 - 07/31/09 06:00 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

There's no reason you can't contain the whole operation in a closet, attic, or storage space. There should never be cause to go in your closet or attic no matter what the circumstance.

Also, no offence and not to pry but why don't you have your children's health under better control? Febrile seizures are generally not serious and no immediate treatment is usually given. If they're really that prolonged and frequent why don't you have some vallium on hand? There are oral, rectal, and injectable forms commonly available for cheap. Throwing a child in an ambulance and rushing them to the emergency room every time is likely to cause more harm than good.

Good luck to you.

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Re: Cultivation Penalties [Re: fastfred]
    #10774238 - 07/31/09 11:51 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

This was the first one that lasted more then a few min. and the doctors never said anything about the Valium until this visit. (we're picking it up today). They also had not confirmed these as febrile seizures until this visit. Should be no problem now, and the attic does seem like an unlikely place for anyone to be snooping.


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