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Re: Mini Mono Tub update w/ pics [Re: KitConceptz]
    #13877913 - 01/30/11 05:23 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Was loosing too much humidity...just specific for my conditions.  Took a few trial and error deals to figure out what was needed for growth.




You may get good pinning w/ the increased humidity, but a good pinset can put out a crappy flush when there's not enuff fae. I cut down the fae and thought i was doin good based just on the pinset, but it never turned out very impressive.


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Re: Mini Mono Tub update w/ pics [Re: anonjon]
    #13877981 - 01/30/11 05:35 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Anonjon as always thank you, I'll def use that to my advantage.  I'll make sure I got teh FAE covered


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Re: Mini Mono Tub update w/ pics [Re: KitConceptz]
    #13880329 - 01/31/11 04:17 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonjon as always thank you, I'll def use that to my advantage.  I'll make sure I got teh FAE covered




I'm not sure if you're doing this or not; I manually fan out the tub once a day, sometimes twice. Well, ideally twice, but oftentimes I just space it out.

I'm still dialing in how thick to stuff the polyfil holes, though. This round may be too tight. I'm not sure. The next tub I just made up has even looser polyfil density, and the tub after that will be an even looser density still. I'll keep this up until I find the ideal amount of polyfil to use.

I suppose you could do something similar with your msg. Unfortunately for you, with the msg, you have a lot more holes to mess with than I do. :lol:


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Re: Mini Mono Tub update w/ pics [Re: anonjon]
    #13883090 - 01/31/11 04:47 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Was loosing too much humidity...just specific for my conditions.  Took a few trial and error deals to figure out what was needed for growth.




You may get good pinning w/ the increased humidity, but a good pinset can put out a crappy flush when there's not enuff fae. I cut down the fae and thought i was doin good based just on the pinset, but it never turned out very impressive.




So perhaps the best strategy would be to increase humidity until pins have formed, and then dramatically increase FAE?

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Re: Mini Mono Tub update w/ pics [Re: tobeacagefighter]
    #13883112 - 01/31/11 04:49 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

If using an MSG tub, just lay a crumpled wax paper over your sub while its pinning, it will help hold high humidity close to the substrate and still allow for the FAE that makes the MSG rock.

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Re: Mini Mono Tub update w/ pics [Re: N2DFlood]
    #13883272 - 01/31/11 05:19 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Do you recommend doing the same thing with Doc's tubs?  I started wax paper on a few to try it out on couple.


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Re: Mini Mono Tub update w/ pics [Re: KitConceptz]
    #13883398 - 01/31/11 05:39 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

The MSG is the shotgun hybrid, meaning it has 1/4" holes every 2" at and above substrate level.  I think Doc uses an MSG or pretty close to it, maybe MSG dubs (?)  Either way, if you have plenty of FAE, and you need to hold a bit of humidity, say, for pinning, the wax paper works well. Crumple it, straighten it, lay it down and leave it, maybe replace it if it gets soggy in a few days.

If you prefer the polyfill and larger-holed tubs, you are probably going to retain higher humidity and a bit less FAE, so wax paper may not be necessary, personally i haven't had much luck with those tubs.  I did use 2 of them, In both I used a wax paper anyway, they did fine, but i was never comfortable with the polyfill density and the FAE.

In my experience, the MSG is just pretty damn easy, you can fan but you don't really have to, mist in the morning and night to replace evaporation.

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Re: Mini Mono Tub update w/ pics [Re: N2DFlood]
    #13883407 - 01/31/11 05:40 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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If using an MSG tub, just lay a crumpled wax paper over your sub while its pinning, it will help hold high humidity close to the substrate and still allow for the FAE that makes the MSG rock.




I wanna know what Doc has to say about this comment as I have my MSG colonizing right now...


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Re: Mini Mono Tub update w/ pics [Re: freeskierpj]
    #13883627 - 01/31/11 06:15 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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If using an MSG tub, just lay a crumpled wax paper over your sub while its pinning, it will help hold high humidity close to the substrate and still allow for the FAE that makes the MSG rock.




I wanna know what Doc has to say about this comment as I have my MSG colonizing right now...




I can dig it, Doc has more MSG experience than most, probably.  I've done 5 MSG grows so far in 56q tubs, every one of them has yielded between 1500-2600 grams wet, and I don't keep them beyond the 2nd flush.  Only two even made it to the 2nd flush.

Wax paper isn't the only way to do it, but it's damn sure the easiest and cheapest ghetto casing you can make.

Here is a couple pics:
Multispore made uneven pinset, but this tub yielded over a QP dry on the first flush

Another uneven pinset from MS, i took 500g wet of early monsters off before i snapped the tub pic.

This had the best pinset of all, but i lost it to contamination.  This tub was literally wall to wall pins... i think it was retarded.

I'm just a noob, anyone working with isolates and a bit more experience can do way better. 

Wax paper works.

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Re: Mini Mono Tub update w/ pics [Re: freeskierpj]
    #13883743 - 01/31/11 06:39 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Now when do you apply the wax paper? Once it has just started to show pins? Once you introduce it to fruiting conditions? I'm curious about this now...Research time :smile:


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Re: Mini Mono Tub update w/ pics [Re: N2DFlood]
    #13883745 - 01/31/11 06:39 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Now when do you apply the wax paper? Once it has just started to show pins? Once you introduce it to fruiting conditions? I'm curious about this now...


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Re: Mini Mono Tub update w/ pics [Re: freeskierpj]
    #13883763 - 01/31/11 06:42 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

When you see hyphal knots like in the last pic in my prior post.. thats when I do it, you can probly add it at birthing, but i like to give the sub a day or two of EVAP.

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Re: Mini Mono Tub update w/ pics [Re: freeskierpj]
    #13883812 - 01/31/11 06:50 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

You want to apply the wax paper as soon as you introduce it to fruiting conditions, and no later.  After you introduce to fruiting conditions, contaminate spores will land on your substrate.  Normally they won't germinate on the fully colonized substrate.  If you apply the wax paper right when introducing it to fruiting conditions, the contam spores will land on top of the wax paper instead.

However if you apply wax paper any time afterwards, you're simply providing an ideal environment (high humidity and low FAE) for the landed contam spores to germinate.  In other words, either use wax paper immediately when you introduce to fruiting conditions, or don't use it at all.  As mentioned though it can certainly provide a nice pinset when used correctly.


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Re: Mini Mono Tub update w/ pics [Re: N2DFlood]
    #13883863 - 01/31/11 06:59 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Gotcha sounds good. I'm gonna await Doc's opinion on it as I always like multiple opinions but I can see the logic behind it though and it makes a lot of sense :smile:

Good point Elky that does make a lot of sense...I have a lot more reading to do on this subject over the next few days as my substrate does it's thing before I introduce fruiting conditions.


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Re: Mini Mono Tub update w/ pics [Re: freeskierpj]
    #13884712 - 01/31/11 09:30 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

^^^ that's how I do the wax paper.


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Re: Mini Mono Tub update w/ pics [Re: Doc_T]
    #13886468 - 02/01/11 07:31 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Elky's way or N2D's?


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Re: Mini Mono Tub update w/ pics [Re: freeskierpj]
    #13886469 - 02/01/11 07:33 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Ekyldog. I put the wax paper on when I first birth the tub, if I'm using wax paper.

OTOH, I often wait for knots before birthing, so... yeah.


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Re: Mini Mono Tub update w/ pics [Re: Doc_T]
    #13886482 - 02/01/11 07:38 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Sounds good doc :smile:


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Re: Mini Mono Tub update w/ pics [Re: freeskierpj]
    #13886735 - 02/01/11 09:26 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Ya, should have clarified that, if possible I also always wait for knots before birthing.

I do let it evap for a day or 2 unless there are already primordia forming, and I can see where that opens the door for facilitating a contam, so immediately placing the WP makes sense.  I find the likelihood questionable on a fully colonized coir sub, but better safe then sorry.

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Re: Mini Mono Tub update w/ pics [Re: N2DFlood]
    #13886927 - 02/01/11 10:30 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Hey Doc, I just put my tub into fruiting conditions and was wondering when I should give my first misting? I fanned once using the lid but I know that my tub was put into fruiting a little early ( https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13886654#13886654 ) seeing the hyphal knots made me decide that it was time for fruiting and I know that tubs CAN be put into fruiting early even if they don't give the best results my question isn't should I have put it into fruiting (as I know it was early) but rather when I should give my first misting due to the fact that I don't want contamination on the substrate since it is not 100% colonized yet...


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