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Air & Substrate Temperature as pinning trigger?
    #10677437 - 07/14/09 07:27 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

It's well known that temperature changes are a pinning trigger for many species of fungi. Although I know it is not NECESSARY for p. cubensis, I'm curious to whether or not it would aid in triggering primordial formation?

Of course FAE, 95%+ humidity, and light cycles are all major triggers. I want to know if dropping the air/substrate temperature will aid in switching from vegetative growth to fruiting?


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Re: Air & Substrate Temperature as pinning trigger? [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #10677474 - 07/14/09 07:34 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

When you take your bulk tub out of confinement and introduce it to fruiting conditions, it's going to have a temperature drop. So obviously temperature is a part of the pinning process.
If you had a very well controlled grow room, and a good isolate, you could find an exact temp range for a particular individual race. But for "just cubes', it probably doesn't matter that much.


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Re: Air & Substrate Temperature as pinning trigger? [Re: Doc_T]
    #10677509 - 07/14/09 07:39 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I am thinking that lack of new food and fresh air are your best pinning triggers, followed by lighting. 

Optimum pinning/fruiting temps will always be right around 76F with any cub.

As for the temp drop, it sure cannot hurt your chances of a good pin set to drop your temp from 82F to 76F or so.


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Re: Air & Substrate Temperature as pinning trigger? [Re: Doc_T]
    #10677564 - 07/14/09 07:46 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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When you take your bulk tub out of confinement and introduce it to fruiting conditions, it's going to have a temperature drop.




While I believe that statement is true to a degree, I think it isn't always true.

Sure when you start FAE, it will drop the temp maybe 2-5 degrees. However, the range would be dependent on air temperature. As the substrate will always remain a few degrees warmer than the ambient air temperature. Say for example if one moved thier tub from a room with an ambient temp of 78 to a room with an ambient temp of 68, then introduced fruiting conditions. Would this speed up the transition from vegetative growth to fruiting phase as opposed to introducing fruiting conditions in the same room the sub was colonized at?

Commercial growers control the air temps of thier grow rooms for that reason. Of course we're talking different species, but I was curious if it would have a decent impact.


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Re: Air & Substrate Temperature as pinning trigger? [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #10677588 - 07/14/09 07:51 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Sure, but commercial growers are working with an isolated substrain, and commercial-style environmental controls. I'm sure there's a "best temperature profile", but equally sure there's about a thousand other things to nail down first.

But it's certainly worth investigating. You should get a couple of min/max thermometers w/ remote probes, to put in the centers of the tubs and measure internal temp. And another to measure room temp.


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Re: Air & Substrate Temperature as pinning trigger? [Re: Doc_T]
    #10677624 - 07/14/09 07:56 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Ya I thought about doing an experiment like that Doc after reading Mushroom Cultivator.

However, in order to have any type of accurate results, I would first need an isolated strain to work with. Which is the project I'm working on now! Still trying to get all the supplies for my flow hood.


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Re: Air & Substrate Temperature as pinning trigger? [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #10677735 - 07/14/09 08:17 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I believe a drop in temp may not be 100% necessary to transition from veggie to fruiting, but it sure does help along with FAE and just a little ambient light......:thumbup:


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Re: Air & Substrate Temperature as pinning trigger? [Re: george castanza]
    #10679979 - 07/15/09 06:08 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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george castanza said:
I am thinking that lack of new food and fresh air are your best pinning triggers, followed by lighting. 

Optimum pinning/fruiting temps will always be right around 76F with any cub.

As for the temp drop, it sure cannot hurt your chances of a good pin set to drop your temp from 82F to 76F or so.



Just pointing out it isn't a lack of food it's full colonization of the food source. The nutrient source is still almost fully intact.


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Re: Air & Substrate Temperature as pinning trigger? [Re: hyphae]
    #10681478 - 07/15/09 11:54 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I am thinking that full colonization of the food source would be the same thing as a lack of new food to colonize, for some reason I just worded it different this time, sorry for any confusion.  :shrug:


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Re: Air & Substrate Temperature as pinning trigger? [Re: george castanza]
    #10684203 - 07/15/09 08:03 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I'm still convinced that temperature does assist in changing to the pinning stage.

I mean it makes sense to me. In nature, they're triggered to pin usually after rainfalls when the mycelium is at the surface, reaching fresh air where there aren't CO2 concentrations. Well anytime it rains, there is generally a slight drop in temperature coinciding with the shower.

Just a theory, but it makes sense in my head at least :grin:


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Re: Air & Substrate Temperature as pinning trigger? [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #10684482 - 07/15/09 08:40 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

If so, then you should try to time the temperature drop so the center of the tub is starting to cool down (and outer parts would be already cooler) as you put it in the FC.


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Re: Air & Substrate Temperature as pinning trigger? [Re: Doc_T]
    #10684688 - 07/15/09 09:11 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

That's precisely what I'm going to attempt.

About 1-2 days before introducing pinning conditions I'm going to move it to a room about 8-12 degrees cooler than where the sub/casing colonized.


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Re: Air & Substrate Temperature as pinning trigger? [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #10684932 - 07/15/09 09:50 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

And just let it finish up at that lower temp, before introducing it to abundant FAE and 12/12 light all at once?
Yeah, that'll induce a pinset alright. :yesnod: Oh yeah.


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Re: Air & Substrate Temperature as pinning trigger? [Re: Doc_T]
    #10685026 - 07/15/09 10:07 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Yup. Let it chill in the dark with CO2 built up, but a lowered temp for a day or two.

Then open up the FAE holes, light on and 95%+ ambient humidity.

That should do it! I'll be sure to update it in my thread on that tub here.


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Re: Air & Substrate Temperature as pinning trigger? [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #10686711 - 07/16/09 06:49 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Perfect! Using as many influences as possible will cause the best response IME.


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