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Cold Shocking
    #10686138 - 07/16/09 02:15 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Ive read alot lately how this is not good... but this is from RR's notes 
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You should soak in the refrigerator to avoid bacteria buildup in the anaerobic environment under water. COLD SHOCKING




So i guess using cold water is a no no, but wont the water eventually get too cold in the refrigerator?

then he says this...Cubensis benefit NONE from cold shocking, as they are a hot tropical species; Cold Shocking is used for cold climate edible mushrooms. COLD SHOCKING

aren't these contradicting statements?


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Re: Cold Shocking [Re: TacoHerder]
    #10686204 - 07/16/09 02:29 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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TacoHerder said:
Ive read alot lately how this is not good... but this is from RR's notes 
Quote:

You should soak in the refrigerator to avoid bacteria buildup in the anaerobic environment under water. COLD SHOCKING




So i guess using cold water is a no no, but wont the water eventually get too cold in the refrigerator?

then he says this...Cubensis benefit NONE from cold shocking, as they are a hot tropical species; Cold Shocking is used for cold climate edible mushrooms. COLD SHOCKING

aren't these contradicting statements?




Techniques in this hobby are constantly changing and being updated. I don't even think RR recommends putting cakes in the fridge while dunking anymore.  The reason that people used to dunk in the fridge was to prevent bacterial buildup (not to cold shock), but it's actually been shown that it delays pinning by a few days. Anyways bacterial buildup while dunking isn't so much a concern as it used to be. Chlorine present in tap water should be sufficient.

As to the last two lines of your post... i don't see how thats contradicting. Cubensis benefit none from cold shocking, and species of edible mushrooms from colder climates do. whats contradicting about that?

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Re: Cold Shocking [Re: TacoHerder]
    #10686206 - 07/16/09 02:29 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Stick around this forum for 5-6 years...

You'll contradict yourself a few times too.

IMO, I agree w/ RR.

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Re: Cold Shocking [Re: TacoHerder]
    #10686207 - 07/16/09 02:30 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, they are contradicting and can be confusing.

I did cakes once, and when I did them I dunked them in the same 1/2 pint jars, in the fridge overnight.


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Re: Cold Shocking [Re: phaseflux]
    #10686208 - 07/16/09 02:30 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

i meant arent his 2 statements contradicting. 1 says to and the other says to not. But ya its prob just outdated.


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Re: Cold Shocking [Re: TacoHerder]
    #10686218 - 07/16/09 02:33 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I know what you said/meant =).  I agree.


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Re: Cold Shocking [Re: Citric]
    #10686593 - 07/16/09 05:25 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Just the act of dunking at room temperature creates a cool down (temp drop) in substrate. I've found though aggressive substrains transition to generative growth can be hastened with a 24hr dunk in the fridge. It just slows the vegetative growth quicker and the substrate warms right back up quick enough. I've actually seen fruiting sooner rather than later initially but once the substrate is fruiting a fridge dunk will really set you back and even stall growth.


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Re: Cold Shocking [Re: hyphae]
    #20609392 - 09/24/14 12:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So I've finally got my first successful batch with the BRF tek. I've

been researching a bit more, and i couldn't find any answers on this

particular topic. So I thought to myself, "Hell, let me bring this

topic back up once more." COLD SHOCKING. As far as I've learned from

researching cubensis does NOT benefit from cold shocking. Rehydration

with water at room temperature overnight will be successful, BUT I

still have one more question. Does rehydration and using the SAME

cakes repetitively cause the the fruit bodies to become weaker in

potency? Does it make the cake more susceptible to contaminations?


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Re: Cold Shocking [Re: El_Captaino]
    #20609409 - 09/24/14 12:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

what you mean by using the same cakes repetitively? no it doesnt' make them weaker(dunking) or contam easier just dunk them rinse them roll them


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Re: Cold Shocking [Re: cronicr]
    #20610863 - 09/24/14 10:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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cronicr said:
what you mean by using the same cakes repetitively? no it doesnt' make them weaker(dunking) or contam easier just dunk them rinse them roll them




When I said using them repetitively I was talking about dunking them for

rehydration. So yeah you helped answered my question. Then how do I know

when i am done with the cakes? The fruit bodies will just stop growing

from the cakes?


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Re: Cold Shocking [Re: El_Captaino]
    #20611144 - 09/24/14 12:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yes they will flush about 4 times on average before they are spent and won't do anything else


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