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Offlinemxpxnofx09
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casing & crumbling
    #1066923 - 11/20/02 01:33 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

ive read the posts and asked a couple questions but im trying to make sure i dont fuck up my first grow..

if im crumbeling my jars into perelite in a terrarrium do i do it dirrectly onto the perelite or is it best to use something like this? (i know the perelete goes into dark containers not just the glass of the aquarium)

http://shroomery.org/images/gallery/grow/dshroom3.jpg


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OfflineInMyVersion
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Re: casing & crumbling [Re: mxpxnofx09]
    #1066935 - 11/20/02 01:40 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

just dump the wet perlite into a container, make it flat, crumble your cakes directly on top of it, a 1/4" wet perlite layer directly on top of the crumbled cakes, and cover it up with some foil or plastic wrap.


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Re: casing & crumbling [Re: mxpxnofx09]
    #1066945 - 11/20/02 01:45 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

whoa whoa whoa......why would you crumble your cakes onto the perlite?? if you want what is in that picture, you dont crumble them. If you want casings you need to get a substrate, you can't just crumble it on the perlite.
keep reading


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Re: casing & crumbling [Re: mxpxnofx09]
    #1066953 - 11/20/02 01:47 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

The picture you see uses entire cakes, not crumbled ones. You only crumble cakes if you want to case them. Casing them involves crumbling cakes and spreading them across shallow trays, then covered with a layer of vermiculite. The bottom and sides of this tray are dark so the casing only pins on top and not on the sides. The perlite goes in the very bottom of the terrarium with some water and occasionally some peroxide to keep it clean. the purpose of the perlite is that since it absorbs water, and it exposes alot a surface area for moisture to evaporate from, it keeps the humidity high and stable inside the terrarium. Since nothing is growing directly from the perlite, it is not necessary to keep the sides dark. It can be glass or plastic or whatever.


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Re: casing & crumbling [Re: mxpxnofx09]
    #1066955 - 11/20/02 01:48 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I think some people confuse perlite with vermiculite.


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Re: casing & crumbling [Re: AcidSmurf]
    #1066979 - 11/20/02 01:54 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I apologize I misunderstood his question. Since he said about crumbling cakes I assume he was looking at doing casings.

And I don't confuse perlite with vermiculite, I am well aware of the differences and results... It has been my extensive experience that straight wet perlite casings do at least 20 times better than vermiculite for most cubensis strains, by weight. Try it once and ye shall see.


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Re: casing & crumbling [Re: InMyVersion]
    #1067081 - 11/20/02 02:38 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

No shit, perlite as the bottom layer, huh? I did run across that somewhere; seems so contradictory to the function of perlite on the bottom...would you say that contamination is more of a problem with perlite for this purpose than vermiculite?


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Re: casing & crumbling [Re: TheHobbit]
    #1067087 - 11/20/02 02:41 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

mix peat moss and perlite and set your cake on that. its unbelieveable how quickly the cake takes to it, i was getting fruits 2 inches from the cake.


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Re: casing & crumbling [Re: TheHobbit]
    #1067094 - 11/20/02 02:44 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

It has been my extensive experience that vermiculite gets MUCH more contaminated than perlite... Even if a few discolorations appear on the perlite it almost always remains contained and the rest of the casing fruits like hell... Seriously, I've done lots and lots of 50/50, vermiculite, and a bunch of other casing teks posted and unposted, and I keep going back to straight wet perlite... perlite has this little characteristic of absorbing and releasing moisture, so it's a humidity chamber all in one. No fanning/spraying/misting/fucking with is necessary at all. Straight wet perlite on the bottom, crumble the cakes over top evenly, 1/4" wet perlite casing over that, cover it up with foil or plastic wrap and don't touch it for a week or two, the yield will make you cum in your pants.


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Re: casing & crumbling [Re: InMyVersion] * 1
    #1067101 - 11/20/02 02:45 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

and peat moss contams even easier than that, but i swear by that stuff.


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Re: casing & crumbling [Re: MsPacMan]
    #1067106 - 11/20/02 02:48 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

thanks for the replies.. so just to make sure i understand everything..

I do everything in the jars, take em out of the jars then i can either:

put down perelite on the bottom of my aquarium and with the wire mesh about half inch above keep the full cakes on there in upside down lids or some kind of base

or

in shallow dark containers put vermicule in there and crumble dirrectly onto that?

What would you suggest for about 10 jars??


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Re: casing & crumbling [Re: InMyVersion]
    #1067107 - 11/20/02 02:49 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Wow, sounds like I know what to do with my Pink Buffs in a couple weeks. How deep do you make each of the moistened perlite layers? So the perlite is just straight, not mixed with any other substrate material? Thanks for the info, by the way.  :wink: :cool: :smile: :grin:


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Re: casing & crumbling [Re: TheHobbit]
    #1067438 - 11/20/02 04:41 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Perlite casings...Sounds like it would work!! Anybody else have luck with them??



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Re: casing & crumbling [Re: NiGGy]
    #1067599 - 11/20/02 05:26 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I've had luck with thin, not-wet, perlite on bottom, cakes cut in half horizontally, covered in thin layer of coco-coir. The bottom layer of perlite alows waste to drain, and sends humidity upward into substrate. FWIW


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Re: casing & crumbling [Re: InMyVersion]
    #1067660 - 11/20/02 05:37 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Perlite is manufactured at high temperature. Vermiculite is mined. I would think that perlite would be less likey to have contams.
Definitely worth a try from the sound of it.


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Re: casing & crumbling [Re: On_the_Down-Low]
    #1067782 - 11/20/02 06:06 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

so as long as i dont fuck up too bad, this should work

in my aquarium put a big bed along the bottom with verelite crumble my cakes evenly ontop and cover with another layer...

is that all you have to do when you take it out of the jar??


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Re: casing & crumbling [Re: On_the_Down-Low]
    #1068355 - 11/20/02 09:12 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Incorrect. Vermiculite is manufactured in a similar fashion as perlite. Quote from www.vermiculite.org

"When subjected to heat vermiculite has the unusual property of exfoliating or expanding into worm-like pieces (the name vermiculite is derived from the Latin 'vermiculare' - to breed worms).

This characteristic of exfoliation, the basis for commercial use of the mineral, is the result of the mechanical separation of the layers by the rapid conversion of contained water to steam. "



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Re: casing & crumbling [Re: MycoInventor]
    #1068461 - 11/20/02 10:07 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Wel llook at that. It's mined and then heated. I've been to the perlite 'factory'. But haven't seen vermiculite produced. You learn something new every day.


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