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is this true?
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Is it true that the more your shrooms bruise they lose potency? cause i have a couple that are bruised pretty blue the whole way up the stem. If so is it a real big loss?


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Re: is this true? [Re: axtv]
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That is a yes and no answer. Bruising does signal the oxidizing of psycobin (correct me if i'm wrong), but I doubt it makes a noticable difference.


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Re: is this true? [Re: New Name]
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Actually, its the psilocybin that gets oxidized, the psilocin stays present even after the mushrooms are dried. I may be way off, but I think thats how it works, please correct me if I'm wrong.


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Re: is this true? [Re: Skikid16]
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yes, its the psilocybin.

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Re: is this true? [Re: Skikid16]
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But once psycobin is oxodized (which is what causes bruising i think) it is no longer psycobin. So what turns blue is no longer active, but it is too small an ammount to really matter.
Like I said, correct me if i'm wrong.


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Re: is this true? [Re: New Name]
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I don't really know, can't keep track of chemical names. Sorry, I'm not all there right now.


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Edited by Skikid16 (11/19/02 11:36 PM)

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Re: is this true? [Re: New Name]
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yea what the heck is psycobin? And what does psilocybin turn into after being oxidized? C12H17N2O4P... oxidized.... hmmm. Damn, I'm gonna start taking some chemistry classes.

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Re: is this true? [Re: ExtravagantDream]
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Psilocybin oxidizes. Psilocin gets digested and "turns" to Psilocybin so your body can utiilize it to "trip". I think thats how it works. Damn beer, shouldn't have drank so much.


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Re: is this true? [Re: Skikid16]
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I hear you skikid. I'm about a liter of vodka under myself.


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Re: is this true? [Re: Skikid16]
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In reply to:
Damn beer, shouldn't have drank so much.



lol, no wonder your rambling so incoherently. J/K
Well, psilocibyin isnt called an active compound for nothing, so it must have some use besides making the mushroom blue. Doesn't psilocybin break down to psilocin?

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Re: is this true? [Re: ExtravagantDream]
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psilocybin gets converted to psilocin and thats what makes you trip. Bruising oxydizes the psilocybin, so there is less of it. This brings a new problem: chewing or crushing the shrooms, wont that reduce potency? I could swallow chunks of it but I hear it must be chewed well to release all of the psilocybin, so its a lose-lose situation. Unless you can go into a vaccum chamber and eat the shrooms inside that.

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Re: is this true? [Re: Skikid16]
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  Other way around skikid16.  :smile:
    Psilocin(e) oxidizes readily when it comes in contact with atmospheric oxygen.  (a reason why it is much more unstable than psilocybin(e))  .  Psilocybin(e) is phophorylated at the hydroxy position on psilocin(e) and this makes it much more resistant to simple oxidation.  In vivo (in your body) there are enzymes that dephosphorylate/hydroxylate the ring at that position so that it becomes psilocin(e) and hence active. 
  cheers...   


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Re: is this true? [Re: Alkaloids]
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Yes this makes sense.. But I have read several places that psilocybin is what oxidizes. There seems to be a confusion on this. Can you document this information.

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Re: is this true? [Re: ]
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shrooms44....eating them wont cause anymore pscilocybin(sp?) to be lost because its getting absored through your toungue/saliva/mouth.

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Re: is this true? [Re: ArseniK]
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Psilocybin does not get absorbed through mouth, it has to be digested so it can be hydrolized into psilocin. I think the concern was psiloc/yb/in oxidizing (turning into another compound), and being rendered usless. But I think these effects are extremely miniscule. If they are already dried, all that will be lost to bruising is already lost.

Edited by ExtravagantDream (11/20/02 12:18 AM)

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Re: is this true? [Re: ]
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In reply to:
psilocybin gets converted to psilocin and thats what makes you trip. Bruising oxydizes the psilocybin, so there is less of it. This brings a new problem: chewing or crushing the shrooms, wont that reduce potency? I could swallow chunks of it but I hear it must be chewed well to release all of the psilocybin, so its a lose-lose situation. Unless you can go into a vaccum chamber and eat the shrooms inside that.


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Re: is this true? [Re: ExtravagantDream]
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I love this thread, it is a cluster fuck of information and misinformation, and then ^^^^^ comes in with a comment that sums it all up, it really doesn't matter what gets oxidized, as long as the plants breathe when we eat the shrooms. Thanks to all those above that cleared, and muddied the water.


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Re: is this true? [Re: Skikid16]
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Indeed  :grin:

Nontheless, a very interesting topic.

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Re: is this true? [Re: Skikid16]
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In reply to:
comes in with a comment that sums it all up

Don't mind me,I'm just doing my job around here.


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Re: is this true? [Re: MycoThaikoh]
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And you'll be getting a raise in no time.


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Re: is this true? [Re: ExtravagantDream]
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let me check.. TIHKAL addresses the stability issue, but only in the most cursory manner. In general phosphorylated compounds are quite stable with regards to oxidation. I would conjecture that the bruising comes from cells rupturing and releasing cell contents (including oxidases and other normally contained chemicals) that would readily attack the psilocin (since it does carry a nice juicy reactive group, namely the -OH). Could be just babble on my part though.
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Re: is this true? [Re: Alkaloids]
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> I would conjecture that the bruising comes from cells rupturing and releasing cell contents (including oxidases and other normally contained chemicals) that would readily attack the psilocin (since it does carry a nice juicy reactive group, namely the -OH).

I would think that is pretty good conjecture on your part! :smile:

Also, maybe we should reiterate this point, in case some people are confused on this on this aspect of it. Molecules don't bruise. Tissues bruise as the result of cellular damage!


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Re: is this true? [Re: Papaver]
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Yeah.


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