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Kratom
    #1067629 - 11/19/02 10:31 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

Anyone around here ever tried Kratom leaves? I might order some as I heard they have both opiate and cocaine similar properties. And also, I read that "small amount is needed for desirable effect" but what is a small amount? a gram? didnt find any info about dosage anywhere. If you've tried this tell me what you think about it, any positive and negative experiences. Thanks alot and take care


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Re: Kratom [Re: shaganoz]
    #1069157 - 11/20/02 10:43 AM (15 years, 3 days ago)

mild but fun. i chewed about a gram of leaf and have smoked some. mild but fun. i have heard that khat is more less miild and more fun.


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Re: Kratom [Re: Bilge]
    #1078283 - 11/23/02 01:07 AM (15 years, 18 hours ago)

Hm anyone else? I hear the resin is potent, also that the leaves are smoked just a couple for a opiate effect, just by many as cheap replacement for real opium, and to please opiate/heroin addicticts enough for them to stay away from smack and get a possibilty to end their addictions etc. Small amounts are like coke while larger amounts are like opium and get induce sleep.


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Re: Kratom [Re: shaganoz]
    #1079950 - 11/23/02 07:57 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

From what I gathered oral use is the best. Someone very knowlegable in the field refered to smoking kratom as "a big no-no". Try some tea. Also, I'm pretty sure I know your source, please post back your results I'm curious.


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Re: Kratom [Re: shaganoz]
    #1080261 - 11/23/02 10:38 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Don't smoke it, bonehead. And if you're looking for opium or coke, you're barking up the wrong tree.

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Re: Kratom [Re: leafblowerz]
    #1080379 - 11/23/02 11:38 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Hm NOT smoke it? I've heard that is pretty common in  Thailand where its from. Used by opiate addicts as cheaper replacement for opium and heroin. Though I hear about smoking the resin extract or something like that. What about making a tea out of it then? I like poppy tea hihih :laugh: 


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Re: Kratom [Re: shaganoz]
    #1081377 - 11/24/02 11:35 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Oftentimes tryptamines are rather heat sensitive, so if you were to smoke the resin, do it dragon style or in a vaporiser. I suppose oral is the way to go though. The high isnt supposed to be THAT strong, but I like the mild stuff anyway. And if youre getting it from that leather dude I think you do... Try to get him to send an certificate of authenticity. Also ask him were he gets from. I talked to him about his kratom seeds, and I thought his story was shady as fuck.


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Re: Kratom [Re: shaganoz]
    #1081702 - 11/24/02 02:31 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Ah hell, kid. Check your facts. I understand that nobody smokes it over there. Tea or just eat em. They also like to roll it up into little balls with flour before they eat them over there. I like to use an espresso machine myself.

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Re: Kratom [Re: leafblowerz]
    #1086653 - 11/26/02 04:59 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Check www.shaman-australis.com for info


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Re: Kratom [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1090423 - 11/27/02 09:03 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

yeah thanks for that URL. There it says under Traditional uses: "A few leaves are either smoked, prepared as tea or made into a resin extract. The effects of kratom last for several hours and only very small quantities are needed to achieve the desired effect."

So, it IS used smoked then. And its supposed to be potent stuff too according to that info on that site.


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Re: Kratom [Re: shaganoz]
    #1090631 - 11/27/02 11:43 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Shag

Smoke it to your heart's content, pal. I'm just trying to save you some frustration.

Sales people will tell you all sorts of crap. Go to erowid.org, one source of quality information on the subject.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom_info1.shtml

Murple did a pretty good job writing up that one. Looks like he did his homework, unlike you.

People, don't just go to vendor sites and expect to get all of your information on these substances.

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Re: Kratom [Re: shaganoz]
    #1090635 - 11/27/02 11:45 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

(Looks over at shaganoz's avatar....ok, I understand now).


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Re: Kratom [Re: leafblowerz]
    #1091593 - 11/27/02 06:33 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks good info there. And also there it said it is smoked :laugh: hehe. Anyway, I'll get the crap, try out different methods (smoking, chewing, tea etc) and juse see myself what I like the best, if I like it at all. But I guess its not quite like poppy tea in any case :P 


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Re: Kratom [Re: shaganoz]
    #1091813 - 11/27/02 08:13 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, but before that it says nearly all kratom use is by chewing fresh leaves. If you don't want to believe me, take that as a hint. You can also fucking smoke your socks. There is a reason most people ingest it orally rather than smoke it.

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Re: Kratom [Re: leafblowerz]
    #1093693 - 11/28/02 02:12 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

"You can also fucking smoke your socks. There is a reason most people ingest it orally rather than smoke it."

Ok I'm not the sock eating kind of guy. And anyway, if people are smoking Kratom there must be a reason, and maybe I'll be one of those who like the same reasons for smoking as they do, thats my only point.


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Re: Kratom [Re: shaganoz]
    #1093989 - 11/28/02 03:28 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Well, like I said earlier, have at it.

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Re: Kratom [Re: leafblowerz]
    #1094660 - 11/28/02 10:04 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I can tell you from personal experience that smoking a bowl of relativley fresh kratom leaf is mind numbing  also the extract is even more potent.  :smirk:
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Re: Kratom [Re: sputnik2]
    #1094702 - 11/28/02 10:41 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you :smile: Thats more like what I wanted to hear :laugh: 


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Re: Kratom [Re: sputnik2]
    #1095317 - 11/29/02 03:09 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Sputnik

Mind numbing? You've got to be kidding. It is one shitty harsh smoke. (Yeah, ok, I admit to trying to smoke it). How much are you talking about? When you say it was mind numbing do you mean you felt mind numbingly stupid for trying to smoke a few bowls?

Heheh.

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Re: Kratom [Re: leafblowerz]
    #1095534 - 11/29/02 07:20 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

'Sales people will tell you all sorts of crap. '
You idiot - they dont sell kratom seeds, leaves or extracts at that site where I am sure they will have had considerably more experience with this plant than you leaf...


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