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 why do we disrespect the drugs we use? 
#10672332 - 07/13/09 10:17 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why do people who apparently enjoy these drugs use such negative words to describe the effect?
marijuana -- stoned, baked, fried, wasted
LSD -- Fry, fucked up, acid
Why don't more people use words like high and wonderful experience?
Why don't we think about the possible negative effect these words could be having on our experience or how others view our experience?
Can anyone think of some more examples?
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 Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10672511 - 07/13/09 10:49 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Negative to whom?
I find them fitting words, and a slang all of their own.
People outside the drug culture hear "fucked up" and think negative connotations. I hear "fucked up" and I think, alright, enjoy it man. 
It's only negative if you make it negative.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10672552 - 07/13/09 10:57 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, how could someone call lysergic acid, 'acid'? WTF were they thinking? 
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Heh, I thought about making a response like that...
But in all seriousness, drug use is undermined. I think turning those negative attributions from non-drug users into positive slang for the drug user, is a rebellion against such negative connotations.
It's like a black guy calling his friend nigger. You could argue that nigger is full of negative connotations, but do you really think that such use is really intended in a negative way? Drug users are in a growing minority, it's to be expected.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Kickle]
#10672985 - 07/14/09 12:26 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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But it only further perpetuates the negative connotations. In our own way we are admitting that these words are sufficient to describe our experience.
I don't believe that drug users have any negative intentions, only that they are not fully aware of how they are contributing to a drugs bad reputation.
If we really do enjoy these drugs so much, wouldn't we want other people to share in this experience?
If your family actually believes that you are getting fucked up on marijuana they will probably be less likely to be accepting of this behavior.
A fruit salesperson would not try and sell a store a new batch of bananas by suggesting that the bananas taste like shit.
If we want to be respected what might drop the rebellious teenager thing... maybe that's just it, too many rebellious teenagers.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10673027 - 07/14/09 12:35 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Awesome question! My favorite one is 'stoned' Like if you get caught you will be stoned. Its strange how we use terms like this. I wonder if it is some sort of mind control, like how the CIA got african-americans to call each other 'nigga'.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: avatar]
#10673115 - 07/14/09 01:04 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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In my mind "stoned" and "high" are not the same effect. High is a feeling of energy and movement, stoned is a feeling of being sucked into your couch.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Rocker232]
#10673876 - 07/14/09 07:54 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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These are the ego's words. My ego was fried, blazed, stoned, baked, blitzed, hammered - i.e. obliterated, crucified, temporarily transcended. People often take substances to calm the disturbing thoughts by which they are constantly bombarded by their subconscious programming. So the terminology of how fucked up one was is about the degree the compound was effective in altering, dulling, or amplifying to the point of absurdity and/or acceptance, one's habitual neuroses.
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#10674003 - 07/14/09 08:37 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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...like how the CIA got african-americans to call each other 'nigga.'
WTF? I don't think so. Nigredo means black, and so do a lot of permutations that led to the word Negro, including 'nigra.' Used perjoratively by non-Blacks, eventually, Blacks attempted to take possession of the 'N word' to transmute it from its exclusive use by their oppressors, to satirize the word and own it. The attempt failed as far as I'm concerned. It's sort of like Jews trying to turn the swastika into a fashionable new recognizable pattern like 'paisley.' It would Never work and Never have its hateful association defused. Black parents with any working neurons don't endearingly call their children 'my little nigga,' nor do lovers call one another that. There is Always an element of anger or hostility in the use of that word and since most people are basically unconscious, those who use the term remain ignorant even of why they say what they say. My Lady is Black (Nigerian-Jamaican) and believe me when I tell you that the 'N word' raises hackles like a swastika does to a concentration camp survivor. Of course my Lady is not an unconscious automaton and is way above the fray in this matter.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10674050 - 07/14/09 08:50 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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zen buddy said:
Why do people who apparently enjoy these drugs use such negative words to describe the effect?
marijuana -- stoned, baked, fried, wasted
LSD -- Fry, fucked up, acid
Why don't more people use words like high and wonderful experience?
Why don't we think about the possible negative effect these words could be having on our experience or how others view our experience?
Can anyone think of some more examples?
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Language Perversion is a bitch....
Pun intended.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10674073 - 07/14/09 08:55 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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zen buddy said:
Why do people who apparently enjoy these drugs use such negative words to describe the effect?
marijuana -- stoned, baked, fried, wasted
LSD -- Fry, fucked up, acid
Why don't more people use words like high and wonderful experience?
Why don't we think about the possible negative effect these words could be having on our experience or how others view our experience?
Can anyone think of some more examples?
You seem to care a lot about what other people do and think. Did you ever for a moment consider that other people don't feel the way that you do and that their feelings are just as valid and possibly correct as yours are? Did ya? Did ya ever?
Besides whats important for you is how you relate to the drug experience. 
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Icelander]
#10674092 - 07/14/09 08:59 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
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zen buddy said:
Why do people who apparently enjoy these drugs use such negative words to describe the effect?
marijuana -- stoned, baked, fried, wasted
LSD -- Fry, fucked up, acid
Why don't more people use words like high and wonderful experience?
Why don't we think about the possible negative effect these words could be having on our experience or how others view our experience?
Can anyone think of some more examples?
You seem to care a lot about what other people do and think. Did you ever for a moment consider that other people don't feel the way that you do and that their feelings are just as valid and possibly correct as yours are? Did ya? Did ya ever?
Besides whats important for you is how you relate to the drug experience.
...and you're missing the point, again.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10674100 - 07/14/09 09:00 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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You have a point?
Again those words are negative to you and maybe not to them.
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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10674112 - 07/14/09 09:03 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have a feeling you know the answer to your own question.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Icelander]
#10674143 - 07/14/09 09:09 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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You have a point?
Again those words are negative to you and maybe not to them.
How can you not see the negative meaning in a negative word?
These people might not see any problem with the words they are using but they are not taking into account the negative effect it is having on the drug using community as a whole.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Fraggin]
#10674156 - 07/14/09 09:11 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have a feeling you know the answer to your own question.
It is something that I would like to understand better.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10674172 - 07/14/09 09:16 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm part of the drug using community and it doesn't effect my experience? When I take a psychedelic I'm rarely thinking about what someone else may call it.
I have come to realize that what others do and say is out of my realm of control and if I focus on it then I distract myself from what I can control. I gave up on the idea that my concepts are anything but my concepts and cannot be used to change a wider reality. It's taken me a long time to begin to use this knowledge to my advantage.
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Edited by Icelander (07/14/09 09:17 AM)
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Icelander]
#10674198 - 07/14/09 09:24 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I only use the words tripping, high or inebriated.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10674208 - 07/14/09 09:25 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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dude, you must've been so SHITFACED when you came up with the premise for this thread.
SHIT. FACED.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Icelander]
#10674301 - 07/14/09 09:59 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm part of the drug using community and it doesn't effect my experience? When I take a psychedelic I'm rarely thinking about what someone else may call it.
I have come to realize that what others do and say is out of my realm of control and if I focus on it then I distract myself from what I can control. I gave up on the idea that my concepts are anything but my concepts and cannot be used to change a wider reality. It's taken me a long time to begin to use this knowledge to my advantage.
It's a wonder you say anything at all.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10674318 - 07/14/09 10:03 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I say it for me.
And I love to debate and gab. I have little faith that I'm going to change anyone's mind in the short run at least or by my statements by themselves. I just love to talk.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Kickle]
#10674333 - 07/14/09 10:08 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Negative to whom?
I find them fitting words, and a slang all of their own.
People outside the drug culture hear "fucked up" and think negative connotations. I hear "fucked up" and I think, alright, enjoy it man.
It's only negative if you make it negative.
Of course. Notice how he didn't address at all how his more preferred term "high" has been used in describing drug usage in a negative connotation for decades. 
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: sterbeklang]
#10674354 - 07/14/09 10:14 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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dude, you must've been so SHITFACED when you came up with the premise for this thread.
SHIT. FACED.
At least I'm not talking out my ass.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10674360 - 07/14/09 10:16 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: sterbeklang]
#10674964 - 07/14/09 12:24 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why don't we think about the possible negative effect these words could be having on our experience or how others view our experience?
We'd rather have the experience.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Bernackums]
#10674982 - 07/14/09 12:28 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why don't we think about the possible negative effect these words could be having on our experience or how others view our experience?
We'd rather have the experience.
Would positive connotations take away from the experience?
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Bernackums]
#10674991 - 07/14/09 12:30 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why don't we think about the possible negative effect these words could be having on our experience or how others view our experience?
We'd rather have the experience.
You don't like projecting how 6.5 billion other humans might view your private actions?
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10675089 - 07/14/09 12:48 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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T. McKenna had a rap about this. He compared psychedelic users to blacks, women and gays.
They had to fight hard for equality and we will never have it if we don't do the same.
He said the first thing any equal rights movement has to do is get the language right.
I don't understand why shroooms aren't protected by the right to religion and the 'free practice there of'.
From now on instead of saying I'm tripping or high I'll say "Man, I am SO Holy." or "Oh my God, I'm so God right now."
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Why don't we think about the possible negative effect these words could be having on our experience or how others view our experience?
We'd rather have the experience.
You don't like projecting how 6.5 billion other humans might view your private actions?
 Having a laugh, mostly. I'm personally not too concerned with connotations, right now I'd rather just trip than stop to "think about the possible negative effect these words could be having on our experience or how others view our experience".
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#10675173 - 07/14/09 01:01 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why don't we think about the possible negative effect these words could be having on our experience or how others view our experience?
We'd rather have the experience.
This.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: deCypher]
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I'm actually glad the Cannabis market is grey to black but the fact that it's illegal for an adult to eat a particular plant is a fucking outrage.
The fact that scientists and ologists are not allowed by law to study psychedleics is some dark-ages jive. The empire never ended.
The only reason there has been limited testing is because of all the work of MAPS and other orgs that are funded by donation.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Middleman]
#10675311 - 07/14/09 01:28 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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You may thank the religious wack-jobs for that.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Middleman]
#10675347 - 07/14/09 01:36 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Interesting,
I wonder; can we realistically make that distinction?
Consider that nothing is more taboo around these parts than the "shaman", or the notion of spiritual drug use. But these taboos are held by greater society with a general attitude of ambivilance!
hmm
The simple and ordinary disjunction of the shaman which you allude to, of existing within and without; can he still exist, or did he also die?
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The mediators between the explicate order (society) and the implicate order (collective unconscious) create culture but are not supported by culture.
Throughout history are cabals of rich mystical elites who have kept the secrets of Entheogenics to themselves, many of them are household names.
Yeah they have done a good job of almost discrediting the likes of Leary and Wilson with the likes of Manson and Jones in the eyes of 'the public'.
Almost.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Bernackums]
#10676014 - 07/14/09 03:31 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why don't we think about the possible negative effect these words could be having on our experience or how others view our experience?
We'd rather have the experience.
You don't like projecting how 6.5 billion other humans might view your private actions?
Having a laugh, mostly. I'm personally not too concerned with connotations, right now I'd rather just trip than stop to "think about the possible negative effect these words could be having on our experience or how others view our experience".
I don't know about you but I rather enjoy discussing and/or contemplating situations such as this one during a psychedelic trip. I don't like having to be secretive about such an important part of my lifestyle or having to prove that I am not crazy to an ignorant friend or family member who has recently discovered that I enjoy psychedelic drugs. Anything we can do to increase society's acceptance of these drugs deserves consideration. Perhaps you could give this a moment's thought during your next psychedelic experience. If this is not your kind of subject for a psychedelic trip I guess it couldn't hurt to give it a moment of sober thought.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10676058 - 07/14/09 03:39 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't know about you but I rather enjoy discussing and/or contemplating situations such as this one during a psychedelic trip. I don't like having to be secretive about such an important part of my lifestyle or having to prove that I am not crazy to an ignorant friend or family member who has recently discovered that I enjoy psychedelic drugs. Anything we can do to increase society's acceptance of these drugs deserves consideration. Perhaps you could give this a moment's thought during your next psychedelic experience. If this is not your kind of subject for a psychedelic trip I guess it couldn't hurt to give it a moment of sober thought.
I'm uninterested in what others think of me and they can use whichever connotations they feel when doing so. If someone isn't willing to think for themselves and make their own decisions on how they feel about someone else's actions then I do not need their company, whether it is a close relative or not.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Middleman]
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The mediators between the explicate order (society) and the implicate order (collective unconscious) create culture but are not supported by culture.
Throughout history are cabals of rich mystical elites who have kept the secrets of Entheogenics to themselves, many of them are household names.
Yeah they have done a good job of almost discrediting the likes of Leary and Wilson with the likes of Manson and Jones in the eyes of 'the public'.
Almost.
It is sad that so many famous musicians, artists, writers and poets feel it is necessary to be secretive about their drug use. If modern society understood just how influential these drugs have been in our culture they might be more accepted. Many of them believe that if they are honest about their drug use it will negatively affect their reputation and career. Unfortunately this is probably very true but if we are going to make any progress some of us are going to have to start taking some risks and making some sacrifices.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Bernackums]
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I don't know about you but I rather enjoy discussing and/or contemplating situations such as this one during a psychedelic trip. I don't like having to be secretive about such an important part of my lifestyle or having to prove that I am not crazy to an ignorant friend or family member who has recently discovered that I enjoy psychedelic drugs. Anything we can do to increase society's acceptance of these drugs deserves consideration. Perhaps you could give this a moment's thought during your next psychedelic experience. If this is not your kind of subject for a psychedelic trip I guess it couldn't hurt to give it a moment of sober thought.
I'm uninterested in what others think of me and they can use whichever connotations they feel when doing so. If someone isn't willing to think for themselves and make their own decisions on how they feel about someone else's actions then I do not need their company, whether it is a close relative or not.
Don't you think that using positive words to describe your experience could only help these individuals in coming to the right conclusion when thinking for themselves?
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10676190 - 07/14/09 04:05 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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It is very difficult to start to address your conclusion when your premise is faulty. Naturally you avoided my earlier question which is poor form.
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Don't you think that using positive words to describe your experience could only help these individuals in coming to the right conclusion when thinking for themselves?
"Right conclusion"?
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Bernackums]
#10676300 - 07/14/09 04:28 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm uninterested in what others think of me and they can use whichever connotations they feel when doing so. If someone isn't willing to think for themselves and make their own decisions on how they feel about someone else's actions then I do not need their company, whether it is a close relative or not.
Its not just the company that you choose to enjoy, but the company that chooses you as well. When they come knocking at your door, being above the hype is unfortunately not discreet enough for their opinion.
The Downcast may have a cynical enjoyment of lingo between themselves, but this doesn't contradict the reality of a lynch mob. While our example lacks a richness of political and revolutionary history, this discussion of language and imagery is not just a fashion show; as Kickle put it, it is our niggerdom - that is, assuming that you and I enjoy our existence in the world unconfined.
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It is very difficult to start to address your conclusion when your premise is faulty. Naturally you avoided my earlier question which is poor form.
What question?
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
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I am not going to repeat a valid question because you don't you even care to read the replies in your own thread.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Bernackums]
#10676381 - 07/14/09 04:45 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bernackums said:
Don't you think that using positive words to describe your experience could only help these individuals in coming to the right conclusion when thinking for themselves?
"Right conclusion"?
We are talking about your experience... if you took some LSD and had a great time but they believe that you were too fucked up to enjoy yourself, they would be wrong.
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I am not going to repeat a valid question because you don't you even care to read the replies in your own thread.
it was a rhetorical question was it not?
My answer to that question should be obvious, referring to LSD as acid might suggest that it will have a negative effect.
How profitable do you think a soda would be if they called it acid?
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10676405 - 07/14/09 04:49 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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If I don't care what they think, there would be no right conclusion. They can think whatever they want of my experience, it's even encouraged! There's not a chance I could explain it with words anyways.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10676443 - 07/14/09 04:54 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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zen buddy said:
My answer to that question should be obvious, referring to LSD as acid might suggest that it will have a negative effect.
LSD is called acid because LSD stands for lysergic acid diethylamide. You can choose to view the word 'acid' negatively if you want, but as it stands the word refers to a specific chemical substance and carries with it no inherent emotional or value judgment. In fact, in the context of an acid dissolving one's ego you could say that the connotation is quite positive.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Bernackums]
#10676455 - 07/14/09 04:56 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bernackums said:
If I don't care what they think, there would be no right conclusion. They can think whatever they want of my experience, it's even encouraged! There's not a chance I could explain it with words anyways.
If you don't care what they think then you would not even tell them that you took LSD and you definitely would not have told them that you got really fucking wasted, so why are we even having this discussion?
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10676474 - 07/14/09 04:59 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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As per usual in this forum, your analogy is totally flawed.
LSD IS 100% an acid. Why is calling something what it is, a negative? You have failed to explain.
SOME soda CONTAINS less than 1% of phosphoric acid. Not even close to the same thing.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: deCypher]
#10676477 - 07/14/09 04:59 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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zen buddy said:
My answer to that question should be obvious, referring to LSD as acid might suggest that it will have a negative effect.
LSD is called acid because LSD stands for lysergic acid diethylamide. You can choose to view the word 'acid' negatively if you want, but as it stands the word refers to a specific chemical substance and carries with it no inherent emotional or value judgment. In fact, in the context of an acid dissolving one's ego you could say that the connotation is quite positive.
It would only be seen as positive by a select few individuals and I am more referring to the effect that these words have on people who know very little about the experience.
Soda contains acid but it would be stupid to call a can of pop acid because no one is gonna buy it.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10676499 - 07/14/09 05:01 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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LSD is called acid and many people still buy it. The goal here is not to indiscriminately market psychedelics to more people; those who are interested in trying them will read reports and see that the effects are often quite positive.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10676509 - 07/14/09 05:03 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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It is surprising to see how confusing this subject is for some of you.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: deCypher]
#10676524 - 07/14/09 05:05 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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LSD is called acid because LSD stands for lysergic acid diethylamide. You can choose to view the word 'acid' negatively if you want, but as it stands the word refers to a specific chemical substance and carries with it no inherent emotional or value judgment.
So, in essence, you are saying that chemists are heartless bastards with no social conscience. 
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: deCypher]
#10676525 - 07/14/09 05:05 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
LSD is called acid and many people still buy it. The goal here is not to indiscriminately market psychedelics to more people; those who are interested in trying them will read reports and see that the effects are often quite positive.
oh silly me, the term acid actually had intended results... go figure
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LSD is called acid because LSD stands for lysergic acid diethylamide. You can choose to view the word 'acid' negatively if you want, but as it stands the word refers to a specific chemical substance and carries with it no inherent emotional or value judgment.
So, in essence, you are saying that chemists are heartless bastards with no social conscience.
What a base assertion!
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10676589 - 07/14/09 05:15 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bernackums said:
If I don't care what they think, there would be no right conclusion. They can think whatever they want of my experience, it's even encouraged! There's not a chance I could explain it with words anyways.
If you don't care what they think then you would not even tell them that you took LSD and you definitely would not have told them that you got really fucking wasted, so why are we even having this discussion?
You keep telling me I'm doing things.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10676610 - 07/14/09 05:18 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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zen buddy said:
It is surprising to see how confusing this subject is for some of you.
Is "cheeba" a positive name for marijuana? I still haven't figured that out.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: deCypher]
#10676625 - 07/14/09 05:20 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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LSD is called acid because LSD stands for lysergic acid diethylamide. You can choose to view the word 'acid' negatively if you want, but as it stands the word refers to a specific chemical substance and carries with it no inherent emotional or value judgment.
So, in essence, you are saying that chemists are heartless bastards with no social conscience.
What a base assertion!
You DO realize that your joke flew over most poster's heads, do you not?
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Good God
Is it actually your claim that there's no way out of the semantic complexity of one stupid pun?
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: sterbeklang]
#10676762 - 07/14/09 05:35 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'll come up with something later, right now I'm just way too shit faced. Totally 3 sheets to the wind, fall down, fucked up schlonkered. If I wasn't so bombed and crunked up, I could probably come up with something about slammin tweekers, Crack heads, X'ers slippin roofies while tripped out on special k. Then the bag man brings the bedrock, belts off and shoots up. Sorry, I got distracted, permafried ya know?
Not using myself, I'm afraid I'm not too familiar with drug related terminology. Well, maybe trippin balls every so often
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Bipolardox]
#10677019 - 07/14/09 06:17 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Slang is stupid shit.
what can I say, sometimes it just fits.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: holyconifer]
#10677057 - 07/14/09 06:24 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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zen buddy said:
It is surprising to see how confusing this subject is for some of you.
Is "cheeba" a positive name for marijuana? I still haven't figured that out.
Cheeba has no other meaning so how could it be negative?
I'm guessing you're trying to be funny so...  ...good one!
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Bipolardox]
#10677085 - 07/14/09 06:26 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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3 sheets to the wind
I like that one.
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trippin balls
(personal favorite)
Joking aside, I'll repeat - are those arguing for the namesake "acid" also claiming they are confused between the common derogatory implications and the literal substance? This is red herring, unless some of you actually believe that acid "fries" your brain...
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10680405 - 07/15/09 08:47 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Don't you think that using positive words to describe your experience could only help these individuals in coming to the right conclusion when thinking for themselves? 
This post says so much more about you then about the subject at hand.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Icelander]
#10680928 - 07/15/09 10:26 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Don't you think that using positive words to describe your experience could only help these individuals in coming to the right conclusion when thinking for themselves?
This post says so much more about you then about the subject at hand.
Personalisms such as Can you tell how sorry I am for people like you?
I have a hard time imagining how anyone could be proud of themselves for not understanding the difference between right and wrong and being unable to think for themselves. are not allowed in PS&P.
Edited by deCypher (07/15/09 02:06 PM)
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10681085 - 07/15/09 10:53 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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ZB, Icey has a valid point.
If only people would think for themselves they would agree with you? Sounds like every religious nut I ever encountered - each claiming to know what is right and true, yet only through repeated brainwashing will people concur with their 'truth'.
Think hard on this BEFORE replying.
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ZB, Icey has a valid point.
If only people would think for themselves they would agree with you? Sounds like every religious nut I ever encountered - each claiming to know what is right and true, yet only through repeated brainwashing will people concur with their 'truth'.
Think hard on this BEFORE replying.
If someone told me that they had an amazing experience I would conclude that they had an amazing experience and I would be right (unless of course they were lying). This has absolutely nothing to do with brainwashing and everything to do with the literal understanding of the words being communicated.
Suggesting that I am capable of understanding the true meaning behind the words that someone uses cannot in any way suggest that I know the divine truth about everything in the universe. Try understanding the meanings of the words that I use in the context that they are being used.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10681150 - 07/15/09 11:05 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Somehow I knew you would ignore my gentle directive.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10681197 - 07/15/09 11:12 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Can you tell how sorry I am for people like you?
But I'm god just like you. You feel sorry for god?  How egotistical of you.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Icelander]
#10681248 - 07/15/09 11:21 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Worshiping the porcelain God. Active, Positive, and religious! 
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Bipolardox]
#10681262 - 07/15/09 11:24 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Did the cat eat the baby after it killed it or just play with it and then leave it half dead. Nature is a beautiful thing
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
#10683518 - 07/15/09 06:07 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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It is probably safe to assume that many of the people who claim to be fucked up probably are.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: daytripper23]
#10686834 - 07/16/09 08:05 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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trippin balls
(personal favorite)
Joking aside, I'll repeat - are those arguing for the namesake "acid" also claiming they are confused between the common derogatory implications and the literal substance? This is red herring, unless some of you actually believe that acid "fries" your brain...
We will probably have to wait a long time for a response on this one.
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