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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Icelander]
    #10674301 - 07/14/09 09:59 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm part of the drug using community and it doesn't effect my experience? When I take a psychedelic I'm rarely thinking about what someone else may call it. :shrug:

I have come to realize that what others do and say is out of my realm of control and if I focus on it then I distract myself from what I can control. I gave up on the idea that my concepts are anything but my concepts and cannot be used to change a wider reality. It's taken me a long time to begin to use this knowledge to my advantage.




It's a wonder you say anything at all.

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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
    #10674318 - 07/14/09 10:03 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I say it for me.:laugh:

And I love to debate and gab. :shrug: I have little faith that I'm going to change anyone's mind in the short run at least or by my statements by themselves. I just love to talk.


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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Kickle]
    #10674333 - 07/14/09 10:08 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Negative to whom?
I find them fitting words, and a slang all of their own.
People outside the drug culture hear "fucked up" and think negative connotations. I hear "fucked up" and I think, alright, enjoy it man. :shrug:

It's only negative if you make it negative.




Of course. Notice how he didn't address at all how his more preferred term "high" has been used in describing drug usage in a negative connotation for decades. :lol:


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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: sterbeklang]
    #10674354 - 07/14/09 10:14 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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dude, you must've been so SHITFACED when you came up with the premise for this thread.

SHIT.  FACED.




At least I'm not talking out my ass.

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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
    #10674360 - 07/14/09 10:16 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

at least:lol:


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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: sterbeklang]
    #10674964 - 07/14/09 12:24 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Why don't we think about the possible negative effect these words could be having on our experience or how others view our experience?




We'd rather have the experience. :shrug:


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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Bernackums]
    #10674982 - 07/14/09 12:28 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Why don't we think about the possible negative effect these words could be having on our experience or how others view our experience?




We'd rather have the experience. :shrug:




Would positive connotations take away from the experience?

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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Bernackums]
    #10674991 - 07/14/09 12:30 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Why don't we think about the possible negative effect these words could be having on our experience or how others view our experience?




We'd rather have the experience. :shrug:




You don't like projecting how 6.5 billion other humans might view your private actions?


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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
    #10675089 - 07/14/09 12:48 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

T. McKenna had a rap about this. He compared psychedelic users to blacks, women and gays.
They had to fight hard for equality and we will never have it if we don't do the same.

He said the first thing any equal rights movement has to do is get the language right.

I don't understand why shroooms aren't protected by the right to religion and the 'free practice there of'.
From now on instead of saying I'm tripping or high I'll say "Man, I am SO Holy." or "Oh my God, I'm so God right now."

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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10675161 - 07/14/09 12:59 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Bernackums said:
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Why don't we think about the possible negative effect these words could be having on our experience or how others view our experience?




We'd rather have the experience. :shrug:




You don't like projecting how 6.5 billion other humans might view your private actions?




:smirk: Having a laugh, mostly. I'm personally not too concerned with connotations, right now I'd rather just trip than stop to "think about the possible negative effect these words could be having on our experience or how others view our experience".


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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Bernackums]
    #10675173 - 07/14/09 01:01 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Why don't we think about the possible negative effect these words could be having on our experience or how others view our experience?




We'd rather have the experience. :shrug:




This.


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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: deCypher]
    #10675272 - 07/14/09 01:19 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I'm actually glad the Cannabis market is grey to black but the fact that it's illegal for an adult to eat a particular plant is a fucking outrage.
The fact that scientists and ologists are not allowed by law to study psychedleics is some dark-ages jive. The empire never ended.

The only reason there has been limited testing is because of all the work of MAPS and other orgs that are funded by donation.
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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Middleman]
    #10675311 - 07/14/09 01:28 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

You may thank the religious wack-jobs for that.


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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Middleman]
    #10675347 - 07/14/09 01:36 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Interesting,

I wonder;  can we realistically make that distinction?

Consider that nothing is more taboo around these parts than the "shaman", or the notion of spiritual drug use. But these taboos are held by greater society with a general attitude of ambivilance!

hmm

The simple and ordinary disjunction of the shaman which you allude to, of existing within and without; can he still exist, or did he also die?


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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10675361 - 07/14/09 01:39 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

The mediators between the explicate order (society) and the implicate order (collective unconscious) create culture but are not supported by culture.

Throughout history are cabals of rich mystical elites who have kept the secrets of Entheogenics to themselves, many of them are household names.
Yeah they have done a good job of almost discrediting the likes of Leary and Wilson with the likes of Manson and Jones in the eyes of 'the public'.

Almost.

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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Bernackums]
    #10676014 - 07/14/09 03:31 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Bernackums said:
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Why don't we think about the possible negative effect these words could be having on our experience or how others view our experience?




We'd rather have the experience. :shrug:




You don't like projecting how 6.5 billion other humans might view your private actions?




:smirk: Having a laugh, mostly. I'm personally not too concerned with connotations, right now I'd rather just trip than stop to "think about the possible negative effect these words could be having on our experience or how others view our experience".




I don't know about you but I rather enjoy discussing and/or contemplating situations such as this one during a psychedelic trip. I don't like having to be secretive about such an important part of my lifestyle or having to prove that I am not crazy to an ignorant friend or family member who has recently discovered that I enjoy psychedelic drugs. Anything we can do to increase society's acceptance of these drugs deserves consideration. Perhaps you could give this a moment's thought during your next psychedelic experience. If this is not your kind of subject for a psychedelic trip I guess it couldn't hurt to give it a moment of sober thought.

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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
    #10676058 - 07/14/09 03:39 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't know about you but I rather enjoy discussing and/or contemplating situations such as this one during a psychedelic trip. I don't like having to be secretive about such an important part of my lifestyle or having to prove that I am not crazy to an ignorant friend or family member who has recently discovered that I enjoy psychedelic drugs. Anything we can do to increase society's acceptance of these drugs deserves consideration. Perhaps you could give this a moment's thought during your next psychedelic experience. If this is not your kind of subject for a psychedelic trip I guess it couldn't hurt to give it a moment of sober thought.




I'm uninterested in what others think of me and they can use whichever connotations they feel when doing so. If someone isn't willing to think for themselves and make their own decisions on how they feel about someone else's actions then I do not need their company, whether it is a close relative or not.


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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Middleman]
    #10676102 - 07/14/09 03:48 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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The mediators between the explicate order (society) and the implicate order (collective unconscious) create culture but are not supported by culture.

Throughout history are cabals of rich mystical elites who have kept the secrets of Entheogenics to themselves, many of them are household names.
Yeah they have done a good job of almost discrediting the likes of Leary and Wilson with the likes of Manson and Jones in the eyes of 'the public'.

Almost.




It is sad that so many famous musicians, artists, writers and poets feel it is necessary to be secretive about their drug use. If modern society understood just how influential these drugs have been in our culture they might be more accepted. Many of them believe that if they are honest about their drug use it will negatively affect their reputation and career. Unfortunately this is probably very true but if we are going to make any progress some of us are going to have to start taking some risks and making some sacrifices.

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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: Bernackums]
    #10676152 - 07/14/09 03:56 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't know about you but I rather enjoy discussing and/or contemplating situations such as this one during a psychedelic trip. I don't like having to be secretive about such an important part of my lifestyle or having to prove that I am not crazy to an ignorant friend or family member who has recently discovered that I enjoy psychedelic drugs. Anything we can do to increase society's acceptance of these drugs deserves consideration. Perhaps you could give this a moment's thought during your next psychedelic experience. If this is not your kind of subject for a psychedelic trip I guess it couldn't hurt to give it a moment of sober thought.




I'm uninterested in what others think of me and they can use whichever connotations they feel when doing so. If someone isn't willing to think for themselves and make their own decisions on how they feel about someone else's actions then I do not need their company, whether it is a close relative or not.




Don't you think that using positive words to describe your experience could only help these individuals in coming to the right conclusion when thinking for themselves?

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Re: why do we disrespect the drugs we use? [Re: zen buddy]
    #10676190 - 07/14/09 04:05 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

It is very difficult to start to address your conclusion when your premise is faulty. Naturally you avoided my earlier question which is poor form.


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