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Dr. uarewotueat
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Re: E novogranatense [Re: LitCloset]
#10967866 - 08/30/09 05:47 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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i'll keep the propagator lid on until they decide that it is time to drop their seed coats 
i don't really have a green thumb, my plants are given the choice to thrive on neglect or die lol i'm a strong believer in my philosophy that alot of people love their plants to death
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Re: E novogranatense [Re: Cactusdan]
#10969643 - 08/30/09 09:54 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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hence the hypochondriac nick name...
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Re: E novogranatense [Re: LitCloset]
#10972526 - 08/31/09 01:04 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, lit, you may have loved that seedling to death. If you cut the whole top off then it's finished. It will not sprout from the base. At least you have some berries to start over with. I recommend against using vermiculite because it promotes stem and root rot. You can keep up humidity without using that. Also, when a plant is doing poorly do not give it something. Leaving it alone is the best course most of the time. Ferting it or giving it something usually makes things worse. Let the soil get totally dry before watering it unless you see wilting. If it looks like it's wilting and the soil is damp, it's not wilting from dryness.
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Dr. uarewotueat
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here's mine:

how long does it usually take for the seedcoats to drop off? i'm getting tempted to pick at them already
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mine took about 2-3 weeks to fall off
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Dr. uarewotueat
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Re: E novogranatense [Re: Big L]
#10973678 - 08/31/09 04:13 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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thanks, that's good to know. it's been a little over 2 weeks since they were planted.
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these plants sure do like to take there time at first
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Re: E novogranatense [Re: Big L]
#10973950 - 08/31/09 04:53 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just don't let the seedcoats become dry, it needs to be soft (humid) to fall or to be picked.
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Dr. uarewotueat
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i figured that out already, they are in a humidity chamber, just took off the lid for the pic's 
this is great, i feel like a n00b again
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LitCloset
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i feel even more noob....
well i know i over loved it but only once there was almost immediate rot at the top of the stem. hopefully something will sprout from the nodes... i hope to god i can get them seeds going...
meanwhile the dead parts... quite nice to chew on! it was not much but it had a familar taste and little tingle to it. quite rewarding
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Re: E novogranatense [Re: LitCloset]
#10979602 - 09/01/09 01:18 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, doc, you should have had a few shed the coats by now. Don't go picking at them, that will usually kill them. I got to where i could do it most of the time using special tweezers, a good light and something to steady my hand. But even knowing what i was doing i killed a good percentage trying that. Now i just let them work it out. I keep plastic wrap over the seedling to keep up humidity. I usually kept the soil damp until the coat falls off.
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Dr. uarewotueat
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the first had dropped its seed coat when i checked on them today 
i won't start picking at them for at least another week lol (just kidding)
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Good for you, doc. That tough love didn't kill them after all. But i would recommend to baby them if you can. I've had a few that never shed the coat and just died. Like i say, i keep them in high humidity which seems to help until they drop the coat. Then a more normal humidity but they are tropical plants so keep that in mind.
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Keeping sprouts in open air outdoors, while misting the seedcoat directly once a day helped the sprouts shed their coats themselves without problems.
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Hey folks! Haven't been here in forever... Hey Stoney... you asked a few posts back how the Novos are doing... All of mine died except for one lone plant! This was some time ago though, but that one little guy is doing quite well! Not so little any more, flowering and setting seed none the less! Beautiful bright red berries! 
Thanks!
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Hey enth, it's good to see you around. It must have been a while back you got those. Yeah they will die on you sometimes even if you are careful and more so if you are not. But as you show, even one survivor can lead to a garden full of them.
PW, that's a good tip if you are in a good climate. The stems tend to be a little weak and floppy when they are young especially those grown indoors. A little wind helps toughen them up but is not totally needed.
Anyone have some pics they want to brag on? Any questions or problems needing solutions?
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Some, I was very careful with, others, not so careful, but the one that did survive, I've changed nothing about how I care for it. I guess this would be the "cream of the crop"... an ideal mother bush!
Question, when should the berries be harvested, or should they be left until they drop?
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You can harvest them when they are dark red (the more red before it dries).
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Re: E novogranatense [Re: sidvivius]
#11051234 - 09/13/09 10:58 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, when they are bright red the berries are ready. It's ok if they are dark red or starting to wrinkle. Then they progress to getting darker and darker. They are usually dark brown when they sprout and may have mold on them. A little mold is not a problem.
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