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E novogranatense
    #10663971 - 07/12/09 04:13 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

There has been some renewed interest in growing this plant. I thought i would share some tips and info on it. Feel free to ask questions.

This is a plant originally found in S America and grown also in parts of Africa and the middle east. It has a similar make up and chemical profile to e coca. The main difference, for those in the states, is that e coca is scheduled by the DEA and therefore illegal while e novo is not. Extracting even from e novo can get you into trouble, much the same as extracting from san pedro or a number of other legal plants. Even making a tea could do it. I'm not sure of the legality of eating the leaves or chewing them so I don't do any of that stuff. Please don't ask me about illegal things. All I do is enjoy looking at them and try to preserve the species.

E novo is relatively easy to grow. It being a tropical, can't take any cold so they have to be taken in during cold months. They do fine by a window and make a good houseplant year around.


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Re: E novogranatense [Re: Stonehenge]
    #10668002 - 07/13/09 09:17 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

funny thing, i was just readin up on cocaine alkaloids

http://aob.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/95/4/601

also there are articles in journal of ethnobotany and Journal of plant physiology of intrest concerning e. nova and e.coca.


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Re: E novogranatense [Re: k1ng]
    #10668068 - 07/13/09 09:29 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

another thing, e. novogranatense is not legal to grow in usa, even tho only e.coca is mentioned spesific in the laws. it falls under the analogue act; ill quote in something for you;:

Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, 1961

of New York

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Hereby agree as follows:

Definitions

Art. 1. - 1. Except where otherwise expressly indicated or where the context otherwise requires, the following definitions shall apply throughout the Convention:


e. " Coca bush " means the plant of any species of the genus erythroxylon.

f. " Coca leaf ' means the leaf of the coca bush except a leaf from which all ecgonine, cocaine and any other ecgonine alkaloids have been removed


i. " Cultivation" means the cultivation of the opium poppy, coca bush or cannabis plant.

j. " Drug" means any of the substances in Schedules I and II, whether natural or synthetic.


t. "Production" means the separation of opium, coca leaves, cannabis and cannabis resin from the plants from which they are obtained.



you can see they use the word coca bush there, coca bush is any member of the erythroxylum genus producing cocaine alkaloids. without exeptions.



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Re: E novogranatense [Re: k1ng]
    #10668132 - 07/13/09 09:51 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Yep,he's right,e.novogranatense is illegal to grow in the US.Although it's not as widely cultivated as e.coca,it still contains quite a bit of alkaloids,and there are certain areas in South America where people grow it instead of e.coca.I still wouldn't mind trying my hand at cultivating it though:wink:


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Re: E novogranatense [Re: KBG1977]
    #10668406 - 07/13/09 11:00 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

You could use the same logic to say san pedro is illegal. We know mescaline is illegal and you can find wording saying that anything containing mesc is illegal. Likewise, you can find specific language saying poppies are illegal. I say in all those cases, including e novo, show me one case in which anyone was prosecuted just for growing those plants. Not for extracting, not when other drugs were present or anything like that. You won't be able to do it.

In fact poppies are in a sense more illegal than e novo because poppies are specifically mentioned under the illegal plants whereas e novo is not. Yes novo is an analogue but show me where anyone was prosecuted for them?

Star jasmine has ibogaine in it. It grows everywhere and you can get them from a nursery same as san pedro, same as poppies, same as ethroxylon species. A lot of things are illegal in theory. Just thinking about or talking about doing something illegal is clearly illegal under the conspiracy statutes. And yet we see forums dedicated to talking about growing pot and other illegal things. Last i checked, it was illegal to grow psilocybe shrooms. Here we are talking about it, showing pics etc. Clearly illegal but it goes on.

Show me a shroomerite who went to jail just for talking about it. That's conspiracy but it's not prosecuted. Show me one person prosecuted just for growing poppies, pedro or e novo? I'm not saying all those things are totally legal. They fall into a sort of gray area. I'm saying they do not make cases against those things.

Who wants to talk about cultivating e novo? Just as a house plant, we aren't going to do anything illegal with it. In fact it's just in theory and only involves theoretical situations. Though i've heard they make nice house plants and you can put them outside when it's warm.


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Re: E novogranatense [Re: Stonehenge]
    #10668529 - 07/13/09 11:23 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Word:thumbup:


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Re: E novogranatense [Re: Stonehenge]
    #10670715 - 07/13/09 05:42 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

:ohwell: We talk about growing weed too and its pretty fucking illegal.

Anyway; I've always been interested in E. novogranatense.. Hopefully in the future I'll get a chance to cultivate some, after I move to a more suitable climate. I assume it likes some altitude? I'll probably live in a mountain landscape in a few years so I figure some wild cultivation could be cool.


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Re: E novogranatense [Re: Nalim]
    #10670854 - 07/13/09 06:07 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

The needing elevation thing is a myth. It will grow at sea level. What it can't take is cold weather. It doesn't like it below 55f, below 45 it suffers damage. Freezing and it's gone usually. It's just a bush, take it in when it gets cold and leave it by a window. It doesn't like full sun that much anyway. Shade is good.


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Re: E novogranatense [Re: KBG1977]
    #10671328 - 07/13/09 07:36 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Where the hell have you been, KBG?


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Re: E novogranatense [Re: Mankey]
    #10672445 - 07/13/09 10:35 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

haha,no internet,and I move a few states up.Good to hear from ya good buddy:grin:


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Re: E novogranatense [Re: KBG1977]
    #10688780 - 07/16/09 03:43 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Anybody have progress on their novos? I have a couple seedlings on the window sill.


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Re: E novogranatense [Re: Stonehenge]
    #10700971 - 07/18/09 07:17 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

you haven't sent me any berries yet :smirk:


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Re: E novogranatense [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #10701547 - 07/18/09 10:08 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

well hey me either! :smirk:

but its only been a day or two, plenty of time for it to arrive. i cant say how much i appreciate this opportunity btw. the only other source i know of is very expensive and in Asia. blekh! :eek:

thank you mr. stonehenge :tongue:


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Re: E novogranatense [Re: LitCloset]
    #10703892 - 07/19/09 12:57 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Man, what an impatient crowd. Lit wants it instantly and Dr wants it before he's even given me his mailing info. That reminds me of the old joke in which the clerk asks the customer when he wants his order and he says "yesterday" Now days they aren't kidding. Good luck all with your plants.


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Re: E novogranatense [Re: Stonehenge]
    #10703914 - 07/19/09 01:03 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

:highfive:

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Re: E novogranatense [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #10704337 - 07/19/09 02:35 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

i expected it to arrive in today's mail! for gods sake:tongue2:

really I'm not being impatient I'm just kidding around :wink:


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Re: E novogranatense [Re: LitCloset]
    #10711105 - 07/20/09 06:40 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

:bow2: Stonehenge

my seeds showed up today! i paid for 4 and got 5, fantastic!

they showed up in what looks like peat moss inside a small plastic bag. i removed them carefully from the moss and placed them in a petri dish. right now they are 1/2 submerged in water in the petri dish. Ive looked around and I'm still nervous that I'm not taking care of these correctly! none have sprouted yet, how long should i expect to wait, another week, 2,  more?

i think i should place several paper towels in the dish, soak with water then place the berries on top. place the lid on the dish, loosely. some people recommend planting them now but in just wet verm. maybe ill put verm on the bottom of the dish instead of paper towels.  i have some GA3, not sure if i should throw any of that in.

god I'm so excited! ! ! ! !

thanks, for you:  :mushroom2:  :mushroom2:  :mushroom2:  :mushroom2:  :mushroom2:


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Re: E novogranatense [Re: LitCloset]
    #10711237 - 07/20/09 07:12 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: E novogranatense [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #10711297 - 07/20/09 07:25 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

That's an old thread of mine with some good info in it. We can't bump old threads for some reason.

Lit, i'm glad they made it safely. You could leave them in the damp moss or put them in soil. I've never tried putting them in water so i don't know how that will work. I've never tried ga3 with them. When the berries start getting old, i just toss them in the sprouting bag and still get around 50%. Actually more than that but that's kind of a secret because some people have bad luck and don't want to hear it.

Are you experienced with growing plants? You can kill them with kindness. Let the soil dry out between waterings, not too much ferts, etc. And do not force off the seed coat after they sprout and come up. Let it drop off by itself.


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Re: E novogranatense [Re: Stonehenge]
    #10711355 - 07/20/09 07:37 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

sure you can bump old threads if you have something relevant to add or it is needed to be seen (as in this case) :yesnod:

when n00bs come along and bump a 6 year old thread because they want to ask some inane question or give advice to a poster who hasn't been online for 4 years...
this is when people get annoyed with bumping :lol:


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