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luckytriple6
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getting caught
#10655718 - 07/11/09 12:23 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've never made anything more than for me and a few friends, lots of it wasn't technically illegal. If I were to get caught manufacturing in small amounts would it be a lesser charge? since I wasn't manufacturing to distribute, might I get off easier? I just like to keep myself and few friends happy.... along with myself out of trouble.
Does anyone know if it is worth trying to get a permit/tax stamp whatever it is to legally make liquor....err pay tax on it. I don't mind paying my taxes, I prefer to, last thing I want is the irs after me, lol. I'm not trying to sell but it would be nice to run a still in the garage and keep my friends/family happy
actually what I'd like to do is learn more about essencial oils, fragrence extracts, flavorings, and such. that seems like there is decent money in it plus I'd be able to get some chems easier if it were for a real business
I have a friend that is trying to talk me into making liquor in quantity... all I really wanna do is make sugar liquor so I can get drunk for cheap, and I'm going to....soon
where would one start to get rolling on getting a tax stamp or whatever I need. Do I need to have a business permit first to get the tax permits? I'm not trying to sell at this point, it just seems like a waste of money going to the liquor store anymore since I have a still. I've only done a few runs 5 gallons of wash each time.
my friend is picturing 55 gallon drums with a reflux columns and large coiled condensers...
I like to make a gallon of 90%+ liquor now and again, is it profitable to legally make, sell, pay taxes on, and still make money back?
I'm in NY so the strongest I could sell is 160 proof, no 95% everclear here.... no 151 everclear here either....
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You can make up to a certain number of gallons of wine or beer every year in many states for your own use. Don't know about ny. Selling gets into a whole new ballgame and you don't want to go there. As for your "other" manufacturing, it depends on state or fed law. They usually ramp up with the quantity.
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Wine and beer are not hard liquor, which is made with a still. I believe having a still/distilling alcohol with it is illegal in the US unless you're a business owner. So you'd have to do that. I also think you need a license of sorts to distill and it gets a lot more complicated if you want to sell. It is probably not too profitable, especially with no store front.
I don't mean to shatter dreams, I just wanted to give you the idea that it will be hard work if you want to do it.
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As for oils and such, that's quite easy.
Put your plant material in a blender with some water, turn it into goo and distill it off with lots of water, this is a crude steam distillation. (It's better to inject steam into the vessel with your plant material)
The distillate is primarily water with a tiny bit of aromatic oils, these oils can be extracted with ether, chloroform, gasoline or any other aromatic solvent. The organic extract is then distilled to separate the solvent from the actual oils.
(Chloroform can be made easily by mixing acetone with bleach and pouring the acetic acid off the top. It is non-flammable but it is a carcinogen and should be handled with care)
Orange peels make great practice material, lemon peels will make (great) mosquito repellent (mileage may vary)
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You could always go with the age old truth; it's only illegal if you get caught!
I had a mate who made 160 proof vodka. Some of the nastiest shit I've ever had, making good alcahol is a fine art that is difficult to master. Some shops sell addatives that you add to your "moonshine" and it makes it taste like rum or whatever you want. I can't vouch for them though, probs pretty feral.
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Re: getting caught [Re: Scrubz]
#10669108 - 07/13/09 01:20 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you aren't careful you will brew up methyl alcohol which is very poisonous. This is a frequent by product of distillation and you have to know what you are doing.
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luckytriple6
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Re: getting caught [Re: Scrubz]
#10669453 - 07/13/09 02:24 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Scrubz said: You could always go with the age old truth; it's only illegal if you get caught!
I had a mate who made 160 proof vodka. Some of the nastiest shit I've ever had, making good alcohol is a fine art that is difficult to master. Some shops sell additives that you add to your "moonshine" and it makes it taste like rum or whatever you want. I can't vouch for them though, probs pretty feral.
Those additives are nothing when compared to a barrel aging ten years to add flavor, plus its done differently from the start. I'm just looking to make as pure of liquor as possible, not rum, not whiskey, not vodka. As pure of sugar ethanol as I can get, I probably got up to 180-190 proof last time. No flavor, no smell, dried you're lips. tongue, and burned the throat. Once it hit your throat it burned but not before. If you tried to smell it your nostrils just burned from the fumes.
As for the oil thing I never realized how much money you can make(legally) till I went out and someone was selling oils. I got to talk to them... I have better stuff to make oils and fragrances than they were using. I was going to try a steam distillation on some flowers but it'll have to wait till next year, they are out of bloom.
I'm assuming if I could get permits and such, more for making/selling the oils that, I'd be able to buy chems a bit more easily, like chloroform. On the note that chloroform is easy to make, ether doesn't seem too hard either, but it would be nice to save the time of making it. I found a place that will sell me some chems, both of the last two are available.
I just don't want a knock at the door and being told I'm making meth or something, have all of my stuff taken when I'm actually working on some sort of legal extract(not that I wouldn't sneek in a few projects...).
I was reading about steam distilling pine oil from an old christmas tree. Basically the whole tree was put into a 55 gallon drum and steam distilled. Between how much those oils sell for and how much drugs sell for I think I'd rather take the legal route.
Drugs are what got me into chem, I don't want them to be my focus in, just a part of it. I gotta start stocking up on 55g drums and making bio-diesel!
I'd just like to turn my loves into some sort of business that I won't get into trouble for. I'm going to start contacting people I know with their own small businesses to see where they started I guess. I'm sick of having to hide to play.
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Stonehenge said: If you aren't careful you will brew up methyl alcohol which is very poisonous. This is a frequent by product of distillation and you have to know what you are doing.
You have to know what you are doing, true, but distillation is easy with the technology available to us today.
Freeze distillation is also another fail-safe method for distillation.
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Re: getting caught [Re: Fraggin]
#10670645 - 07/13/09 05:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fraggin said:
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Stonehenge said: If you aren't careful you will brew up methyl alcohol which is very poisonous. This is a frequent by product of distillation and you have to know what you are doing.
You have to know what you are doing, true, but distillation is easy with the technology available to us today.
Freeze distillation is also another fail-safe method for distillation.
the referral of different type of alcohols, they come off at different temps and can be separated.
Also I'm not using anything but sugar water and yeast, I'm fairly sure it produces only ethanol. I've always cut the heads and tails anyway they usually get tossed back into the rest of the wash to be distilled out and separated again(since they are in higher amounts they are easier to pick out), I don't have a big enough setup to run 5 gallon at once... actually I think I'm using a 6g jug for the wash this time....
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From: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10655718
The very first liquid to come through the pipe contains evil spirits even more volatile than alcohol - like formaldehyde. This is called the heads, and a conscientious alcoholist throws it out, for obvious reasons. If you guessed there's also a tails, you'd be right. The last of the run is nasty, yeasty water, and that, too, must go.
Depending on what you ferment with you get different types of alcohol. Alcohol fermented using wood is methanol. If whole grain are used in the mash like making corn whiskey you will also get methanol with your ethanol in your mash which comes over first and has to be removed.
The tails gets the yeast, those aren't deadly, just leave a flavor, which is nasty and undesirable.
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