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Nifflerz
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I'm scared...VERY scared
#10646213 - 07/09/09 08:09 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm scared to mist my substrate.
I have a 50/50 peat moss & verm going right now in an FC, and the myc reached the surface about a week and a half ago. It is currently sitting pretty at 100% colonization. Well, I was misting daily, and about 3 days ago I noticed some discoloration appearing on my fluffy, white myc. So I panicked and gave it a break from misting. My humidity was good so it seemed like a solid idea. And so far so good, because the myc promptly recovered and the discoloration has completely disappeared. And now I have about a zillion white dots (popped up overnight). The primordia or whatever.
But I haven't misted in a few days...and I'm worried about neglecting my grow by not misting it. The humidity seems good. Water droplets line the walls and the roof of the FC is moist to the touch. Can I go ahead and leave it as is since it seems to be on the right path? Or do I need to lightly mist it?
I really want to give it a little bit of mist but I'm worried that discoloration problem is going to arise again if I do so...
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Doc_T
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Re: I'm scared...VERY scared [Re: Nifflerz]
#10646252 - 07/09/09 08:28 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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If it doesn't need misting, don't mist it. Knowing when to do nothing is one of the keys to advanced practice.
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Nifflerz
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Re: I'm scared...VERY scared [Re: Doc_T]
#10646382 - 07/09/09 09:11 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Okay, cool. Thanks, Doc.
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RogerRabbit
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Re: I'm scared...VERY scared [Re: Nifflerz]
#10646677 - 07/09/09 10:37 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you're giving the proper amount of fresh air exchange, you MUST mist a few times per day or your substrate will dry out. Mist gently up into the air and the mist will settle on the surface and be slowly absorbed. This doesn't damage the mycelium or primordia. RR
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Caladan_Shroom
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Re: I'm scared...VERY scared [Re: RogerRabbit]
#10646714 - 07/09/09 10:48 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I mist heavily and directly several times a day until I see pins. Once I see pins I still mist heavily several times a day, except I begin misting the sides of my chamber and in the air above. Even when I mist directly on the pins eveything turns out fine.
I don't believe that misting pins causes them to abort - well, not cubes anyway. What I do believe is that evaporation of the water that a mushie "sweats" out must occur for healthy growth. I could be wrong, but I just feel like misting directly on a pinset or a mushie must interfere with this natural evap cycle somehow. Regardless, I've experienced no noticable increase in aborts when misting pins.
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hyphae
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Re: I'm scared...VERY scared [Re: Nifflerz]
#10646875 - 07/09/09 11:23 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Caladan_Shroom said: I mist heavily and directly several times a day until I see pins. Once I see pins I still mist heavily several times a day, except I begin misting the sides of my chamber and in the air above. Even when I mist directly on the pins eveything turns out fine.
I don't believe that misting pins causes them to abort - well, not cubes anyway. What I do believe is that evaporation of the water that a mushie "sweats" out must occur for healthy growth. I could be wrong, but I just feel like misting directly on a pinset or a mushie must interfere with this natural evap cycle somehow. Regardless, I've experienced no noticable increase in aborts when misting pins.
Foolishness or ignorance I'm not quite sure yet. Niffla I mist to near saturation then when the myc breaks the surface and or I patch when it looks even I usually stop misting for a couple of days this allows primordia to develop unimpeded but that is at very high RH if even around 90% will may want to mist very lightly 2-3 squirts. GL
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Nifflerz
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Re: I'm scared...VERY scared [Re: hyphae]
#10647000 - 07/09/09 11:48 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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RR My FAE is at 2 times per day currently. Once early morning and once in the evening. I'm contemplating on doubling that though. hyphae I've just bookmarked your pinning strategy. Good stuff.
In conclusion it has been very tempting to avoid doing anything at all because things seemed to be going very well in the FC, but I will go with each of your recommendations and give it 2-3 squirts that is sent directly into the air above the chamber (2-3 feet above).
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Caladan_Shroom
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Re: I'm scared...VERY scared [Re: hyphae]
#10647022 - 07/09/09 11:53 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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hyphae said:
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Caladan_Shroom said: I mist heavily and directly several times a day until I see pins. Once I see pins I still mist heavily several times a day, except I begin misting the sides of my chamber and in the air above. Even when I mist directly on the pins eveything turns out fine.
I don't believe that misting pins causes them to abort - well, not cubes anyway. What I do believe is that evaporation of the water that a mushie "sweats" out must occur for healthy growth. I could be wrong, but I just feel like misting directly on a pinset or a mushie must interfere with this natural evap cycle somehow. Regardless, I've experienced no noticable increase in aborts when misting pins.
Foolishness or ignorance I'm not quite sure yet.
Ignorance I assure you, though I have always been pleased with my results. I've read through your postings extensively and I greatly appreciate your input.
That being said, what negative consequences have you observed by misting as I mentioned? I would definitely like to perfect my tek.
Edited by Caladan_Shroom (07/09/09 11:53 AM)
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hyphae
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Caladan_Shroom said:
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hyphae said:
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Caladan_Shroom said: I mist heavily and directly several times a day until I see pins. Once I see pins I still mist heavily several times a day, except I begin misting the sides of my chamber and in the air above. Even when I mist directly on the pins eveything turns out fine.
I don't believe that misting pins causes them to abort - well, not cubes anyway. What I do believe is that evaporation of the water that a mushie "sweats" out must occur for healthy growth. I could be wrong, but I just feel like misting directly on a pinset or a mushie must interfere with this natural evap cycle somehow. Regardless, I've experienced no noticable increase in aborts when misting pins.
Foolishness or ignorance I'm not quite sure yet.
Ignorance I assure you, though I have always been pleased with my results. I've read through your postings extensively and I greatly appreciate your input.
That being said, what negative consequences have you observed by misting as I mentioned? I would definitely like to perfect my tek.
First "Heavy" or "Forceful" are relative words depending on your personal definition.
Well there is what we call "panning" this is where the surface can close up essentially sealing it up destroying the micro climate as well as creating anaerobic conditions deep in the substrate.
Also forceful misting knocks down the myc as the myc recovers and is repeatedly knocked down can also lead to overlay conditions.
There is a time when our delicate primordia need there space to do there thing this is actually a very short period of time as quick as overnight even during this time forceful misting retards development and can not only abort possible fruits it can downright destroy them.
GL Caladan_Shroom
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy. Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is Gas Exchange vs. FAE "We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Stealthgrower
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Re: I'm scared...VERY scared [Re: hyphae]
#10648784 - 07/09/09 05:46 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I tend to just mist when it looks dry. kinda developed a feel. If you see no droplets at all on the surface, mist lightly till you do. Very simple rule of thumb until duk time
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Jitsu
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I have never had a problem misting my substrates directly. I find it is often NEEDED when your tray is pinning. I've been doing trays for years upon years and have never once seen a negative affect from directly misting primordia hyphae or pins.
Further more misting your substrate heavily as previously stated it absolutely necessary if you are trying to achieve a good pinset. I often go through a bottle of water or a little less per day when misting a single tray in my Fruiting Chamber. Here is an image from my most recent tray I harvested not too long ago. This is the direct result from heavily misting at all times during fruiting.
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Re: I'm scared...VERY scared [Re: Jitsu]
#10649354 - 07/09/09 07:43 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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^^^
Same here. I mist until the casing layer is moist, but NOT completely saturated.
Then again I'm always willing to try something different ... if it benefits of course.
Most recent trays, first flush.
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nekromansur
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I dont usually post here except when I have problems..... but looking at these last few pictures, I sat in amazement...
Im at a loss for words.
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hyphae
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Near saturation is where they thrive guys! Nice flushes how many more flushes do you usually get from a tray like that? FYI I can see your fruits are saturated with water Jitsu alot more water weight than necessary but that just means a little longer drying is all.
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy. Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is Gas Exchange vs. FAE "We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Re: I'm scared...VERY scared [Re: nekromansur]
#10649467 - 07/09/09 08:00 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I see he's using the old insulated 2 X 4 wall grow room tek. RR
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Jitsu
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Re: I'm scared...VERY scared [Re: hyphae]
#10649471 - 07/09/09 08:01 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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My tray was a bulk substrate. I got 7 flushes from it before I decided to toss it.
If I am not mistaken I believe Nine's trays are a result from the rez effect. If so, I believe you are only able to obtain 1 good flush then everything after will be mediocre.
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Re: I'm scared...VERY scared [Re: Jitsu]
#10649482 - 07/09/09 08:03 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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What was the final harvest weight? 7 of those? thats madness...
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hyphae
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Re: I'm scared...VERY scared [Re: Jitsu]
#10649512 - 07/09/09 08:07 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Jitsu said: My tray was a bulk substrate. I got 7 flushes from it before I decided to toss it.
If I am not mistaken I believe Nine's trays are a result from the rez effect. If so, I believe you are only able to obtain 1 good flush then everything after will be mediocre.
Whats your average number of flushes with your bulk trays? How do yields compare between flushes? That is a dense MOFO you got there!
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy. Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is Gas Exchange vs. FAE "We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Jitsu
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Re: I'm scared...VERY scared [Re: nekromansur]
#10649530 - 07/09/09 08:10 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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nekromansur said: What was the final harvest weight? 7 of those? thats madness...
The first flush was somewhere around 4 oz dried. The later flushes weren't as good. I didn't dunk or run water through the tray after any flush. I was planning on throwing it out after the first flush but I didn't destroy as much of my substrate as I thought I was going to so I decided to keep it.
Be cool to see your grow log up on the shroomery nine. It was a pretty good read. How much spawn did you end up using?
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Re: I'm scared...VERY scared [Re: RogerRabbit]
#10649579 - 07/09/09 08:16 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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haha if only I could get half as good a flush I would jizz in my pants!
I've been trying to keep my substrate close to near saturation but I'm still new and kinda nervous about touching my substrate (lead to contamination?)
I hope you printed those GT's
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