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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: JHOVA] * 1
    #24665248 - 09/27/17 07:36 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Use it to expand grain masters on the large scale. Then spawn to bulk.


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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: eatyualive]
    #24764849 - 11/06/17 07:25 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Has anyone had any luck slurrying pf, to grain, but to grain not in jars, as in straight grain in a mono?

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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: gourmet]
    #24765604 - 11/07/17 06:37 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

You slurry grain in jars or bags to allow full colonization. If you put sterile grain In a mono then slurry your asking for trouble. Use the slurry for mass expansion of grain spawn. Then spawn to bulk subs.


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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: eatyualive]
    #24766232 - 11/07/17 11:13 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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You slurry grain in jars or bags to allow full colonization. If you put sterile grain In a mono then slurry your asking for trouble. Use the slurry for mass expansion of grain spawn. Then spawn to bulk subs.




Yea, I understand the method, I just wanted to do straight grain fruiting, but I don't want to fruit from the jars or break up the grain when I transfered it to the mono/shoebox, forcing it to reknit and reconsolidate.

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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: gourmet]
    #24766346 - 11/07/17 12:15 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

fruiting straight grain is major fail.
Why would you slurry the grain if you want
to fruit it right away without substrate?????

If you dont have money for a $10 brick pf coir
you have bigger problems than spawn type.....


maybe it would be better to do mudabottles or pasty
straw bottles or bosleys bags where you knock up
sterilized grain in a vessel or bag and spawn that without breaking it up.

Much like pf tek.


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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: JHOVA]
    #24766990 - 11/07/17 04:32 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah if you don't want to break up grain try bosley bags. Baggin with bosley.


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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: JHOVA]
    #24767169 - 11/07/17 05:37 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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fruiting straight grain is major fail.
Why would you slurry the grain if you want
to fruit it right away without substrate?????

If you dont have money for a $10 brick pf coir
you have bigger problems than spawn type.....


maybe it would be better to do mudabottles or pasty
straw bottles or bosleys bags where you knock up
sterilized grain in a vessel or bag and spawn that without breaking it up.

Much like pf tek.





After reading a lot, and testing it myself, i actually think straight grain, if bottom watered properly, is excellent if not better than grain mixed in spawn.  but thats not really the point im trying to discuss.

To clarify, what i intend to use this for is to mass produce king oysters.  i want to do them in shoeboxes, for a lot of reasons, the containers would be reusable, contams would be easily contained and dealt with, i wouldnt have to deal with trying to humidify an area, because kings like high co2., etc.

i dont want to spawn to substrate, because im trying to simplify, and skip that step entirely.  im trying to condense this process down as much as possible.  like this.

lc to pf jar.  Slurry pf jar to sterilized grains in shoebox.  colonize and fruit in shoebox.  done.

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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: gourmet]
    #24767260 - 11/07/17 06:13 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

ever try this for oysters? open air. don't have to humidify anything. ive never tried it with king's though.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21744280


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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: gourmet]
    #24767318 - 11/07/17 06:37 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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After reading a lot, and testing it myself, i actually think straight grain, if bottom watered properly, is excellent if not better than grain mixed in spawn.  but thats not really the point im trying to discuss.




No, lets discuss this. because if its true, then you have found a revelation in mushroom cultivation that many other people should be looking at. I'm extremely interested to see your tests. Please share.

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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: Munchauzen]
    #24767353 - 11/07/17 06:48 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Jerry!! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! :popcorn:



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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: eatyualive]
    #24767356 - 11/07/17 06:50 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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ever try this for oysters? open air. don't have to humidify anything. ive never tried it with king's though.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21744280




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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: eatyualive]
    #24767357 - 11/07/17 06:50 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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ever try this for oysters? open air. don't have to humidify anything. ive never tried it with king's though.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21744280



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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: Munchauzen]
    #24767396 - 11/07/17 07:04 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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After reading a lot, and testing it myself, i actually think straight grain, if bottom watered properly, is excellent if not better than grain mixed in spawn.  but thats not really the point im trying to discuss.




No, lets discuss this. because if its true, then you have found a revelation in mushroom cultivation that many other people should be looking at. I'm extremely interested to see your tests. Please share.




I mean there's no reason to be condescending, if that was your intention.
My bad though if Im misinterpreting.

Its just a slightly modified version of violets ten, or the vtek.  Ive had good results with it. 

I know that tek  faced a lot of opposition, but again I'm not really interested in trying to convince anyone of the viability of straight grain over substrate, just trying to get some helpful input on colonizing grain in a mono with slurry, or some possible ways around it.

The bag tek mentioned earlier seems like the best suggestion so far, but one of the appeals of doing it in shoeboxes is that you could stack literal walls of them.

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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: gourmet]
    #24767424 - 11/07/17 07:12 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Colonizing grains in open air ..... i mean we use jars to PREVENT open
air contams from messing with our grains.....

how do you plan on keeping contams out of a shoebox exactly or
any container?

I dont think you actually know what you are asking.....


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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: JHOVA]
    #24767458 - 11/07/17 07:27 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Colonizing grains in open air ..... i mean we use jars to PREVENT open
air contams from messing with our grains.....

how do you plan on keeping contams out of a shoebox exactly or
any container?

I dont think you actually know what you are asking.....





The shoebox will be clean, unmodified, and with a lid on it.  It will be exposed for about 8 seconds as i dump the grains and slurry in.  About the same amount of time it would take to pour some slurry in a grain jar or bag.

I thought all the wow of the slurry was that it colonizes so fast, that contams cant hardly set in.


I saw a thread where someone got non sterilized grains to colonize via slurry.  he got fruit but the sub contammed with bacteria.

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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: gourmet]
    #24767475 - 11/07/17 07:35 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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The bag tek mentioned earlier seems like the best suggestion so far, but one of the appeals of doing it in shoeboxes is that you could stack literal walls of them.





Bags in tubs is the closest you're gonna get to what you are looking for, of course you can do mono or you could do mini mono's or shoeboxes, but that would kind of defeat the purpose of the bags if you put them inside small shoe boxes, but I guess one small/medium size bag would be perfect for a mini mono or a shoe box. Try it out and post the results, I think it could work really well that way.


But inoculating in open air in an unsterilized container is just asking for trouble :shrug:


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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: eatyualive]
    #24767510 - 11/07/17 07:48 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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gourmet said:
The bag tek mentioned earlier seems like the best suggestion so far, but one of the appeals of doing it in shoeboxes is that you could stack literal walls of them.





Bags in tubs is the closest you're gonna get to what you are looking for, of course you can do mono or you could do mini mono's or shoeboxes, but that would kind of defeat the purpose of the bags if you put them inside small shoe boxes, but I guess one small/medium size bag would be perfect for a mini mono or a shoe box. Try it out and post the results, I think it could work really well that way.


But inoculating in open air in an unsterilized container is just asking for trouble :shrug:



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ever try this for oysters? open air. don't have to humidify anything. ive never tried it with king's though.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21744280





yea eat, ive seen that thread before.  I literally do have a bag of oysters just like that right now fruiting.  Except its rice hulls and grain, not mulch. 

Part of the problem is where i live, there's almost no way to get hardwood of any type, sawdust, chips, even viable mulch, ive tested almost everything the lowes and home depot here uses.

which is why im trying to pursue a route where i can fruit straight from the grain.  Im trying to combine the best teks ive read about into an extremely minimalist but scal-able method.

ive tried you slurry method on oyster mushrooms.  ive got a few colonized jars left, waiting to be used.  having experimented with literally every method in these forums, yours is obviously the most superior.

Im very well aware of the problems with what im suggesting. But im literally one problem away from making this work.  and that's getting the grain to colonize in the tub its going to fruit in.  i may end up just going with the bags, but in the meantime im going to be experimenting with slurries and nearly every type of edible imaginable, and ill post results if anyones interested.

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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: gourmet]
    #24767706 - 11/07/17 08:59 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Please do man. I want to see you figure it out.:greatjob:

Here are the threads i mentioned earlier.
Baggin w bosely
Muda bottles
Pasty bottles



TYC thanks EAT:ohyeah:
Threw some verm on this plate open air a week ago and here we have a nice little fruit to blend some inner tissue
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: JHOVA]
    #24768908 - 11/08/17 10:31 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I think the best option would be a bag of colonized grain like bosleys. Then open and fruit the top. I'm not sure if kings require a casing as I've not worked with them. I think munch meant what he said and was interested. I am as well.
If only those shoeboxes were pp5 and fit in a pressure cooker. :rofl:

Make it happen man you are free to post results here

John you will find tyc extreme prone to pin. Any small light exposure during colonization can trigger premature fruiting. And I also suggest using black liners.

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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: eatyualive]
    #24769471 - 11/08/17 02:45 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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I think the best option would be a bag of colonized grain like bosleys. Then open and fruit the top. I'm not sure if kings require a casing as I've not worked with them. I think munch meant what he said and was interested. I am as well.
If only those shoeboxes were pp5 and fit in a pressure cooker. :rofl:

Make it happen man you are free to post results here

John you will find tyc extreme prone to pin. Any small light exposure during colonization can trigger premature fruiting. And I also suggest using black liners.

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I've actually had pretty good luck leaving the bag top closed and fruiting kings, they're like reishi, they tolerate co2 well.  I've seen people case and not case kings, I've done it successfully with no case.

One other thing I'm trying to work out is I could colonize the grain blocks in a bag, then uncase them into a shoebox mono. The problem with that is if I'm using straight grain Ill need to bottom water.

  I know I could dunk, but bottom watering is optimal.  So does anyone have any ideas for some type of makeshift boot I could fit around the grain blocks that will hold  water?

I've got a few things in mind,

It might take a week or two, but when I get results I'll post and describe the process.

I appreciate all the input.

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