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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: hamloaf]
#21529667 - 04/10/15 06:09 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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hamloaf said: Slurry bags don't seem to be recovering.
The slurry was innoced to the grains on the 9th. It should be showing recovery by now I reckoned.
The LC bags that were innoced that day are off and running. Going to give the slurry bags until Monday to show growth.
If no growth is shown, I plan on g2g'ing those bags with fully colonized grain spawn in bags that I have chillin JUST IN CASE these slurries don't take. Back up Plan - C. 
todays the 10th. generally the leap off begins after the end of the 2nd day. 48 hours in.
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: tourrat]
#21529671 - 04/10/15 06:11 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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tourrat said: Just nocced some muda style pp5 (hpoo/straw/verm/coir/brf/gyp) with a slurry from a cake (1.5" thick/ pint round) that had several large in vitro fruits (tiny heads thick stems,unopened veils) will report on how they recover.
Have done several batches of wbs as well as oats and have been super impressed with this tek...here's a pic of one of the in vitro jars to give an idea of fruit size.

those are some massive looking pins lol. if they grow out please post some pics im eager to see.
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: tourrat]
#21529683 - 04/10/15 06:14 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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tourrat said: Not sure if its somewhere in the thread... but has anyone noted a tad bit longer time between initiating fruiting and seeing pins when using freshly colonized grain jars( that had been slurry inoculated?) I spawned two tubs ..one with agar to wbs...the other was oats that had slurry put to them. The two tubs (7q spawn each) colonized very fast and were both put into fruiting the same day.
The wbs tub has quite a pin set forming and the oat tub is just starting to knot up good. Appears to be about two-three days behind. The genetics are both narrowed down ms (several transfers of thick rhizo) but are from the same stock.
This is my first run with oats so I was just curious if it was the oats taking an extra bit to consolidate due to their larger size or if the myc was just trying to consume more of the oats due to the rapid colonizing from the slurry before it fruited.
Seems like it would make sense that the myc would want to get a good foothold and actually digest some of the grain before it put out fruits. And it may not have had time to do that in the three days it took for the oats to colonize.
thats multispore for ya. i find the slurry tubs go a little faster to fruiting than spawning normal spawn. i don't know if its the added water from the slurry itself that helps or not. but ive never had a tub harvested from spawn to harvest in 12 days. the slurry helped me accomplish that. additionally, the substrate as casing method helped speed that up a bit as well.
id say it could possibly be the oats as well. i always find wbs or rgs to be the fastest colonizing bulk subs and pinning ect. it may not be the most nutritious grain but its pretty darn good for the cheap price. i solely use it based on .37 cents a lb. im glad its working on oats for you. id imagine it would work with any grain type, but i wasn't entirely sure because i never tested.
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: grainbrain]
#21529692 - 04/10/15 06:16 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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grainbrain said: I didn't think you were consolidating the cakes. Must've misread it.
also, i don't always give them a few days. sometimes when i need them i slurry them a day after 100% visible colonization.
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: Edmunter]
#21529741 - 04/10/15 06:26 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Edmunter said: Talking about pasteurisation. After my last 2 flops. I used the bucket tek to hydrate the coir and then for good measure put it in the ove for a couple of hours at 160. Im trying a coupleof gs2g, Gs to substrarte and just st8 grains. I will report results as and when.
so let it be known that when you do the gs2g. if the grain settles to the bottom and your pouring out pure cloudy liquid its like a GLC. you can then pour out the blended up grain that settled to the bottom into the last 10-15 jars. then just shake like all mighty god for about a minute.
i just did this tonight. what ive been doing is running side by side tests separating the two. i do the first 30 quarts with the GLC only. then pour in the last 15 or more with the blended sludgy grain. the grain jars colonize faster than the GLC. but the GLC will go much further. so if you do a 2:1 water to grain slurry using GLC only you can probably inoculate more than 100 quart jars with 1 quart of colonized grain. that by itself is just fantastic. i have shifted my entire setup now to only doing one sitting of 50-100 quart jars at one transfer. so, ill cook jars all week. store them on the shelf. then on the weekend when time permits, slurry all of them. so then ill have colonization in a few days. and i didn't waste any time. as if i had inoculated them earlier via g2g they would be finished about the same time.
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: eatyualive]
#21529910 - 04/10/15 07:05 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Very impressive eatyualive !! You have done great work but i would like to run some ideas past you on how you can make bulk tub even quicker ! Ill post more about it later im at work still right now
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: TCdboy]
#21530014 - 04/10/15 07:40 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah eats it may just be the oats....as far as the slurry to oats...three days BAM fully colonized , may be taking slighlty longer to pin just because of the larger grain size.
And yeah the brf pucks all have huge pins on them lol. I never messed with cakes , just made these up to slurry. I'm amazed at the size of fruits they put out in vitro. I'll post results once they're in.
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: tourrat] 1
#21530196 - 04/10/15 08:04 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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i slurried to wbs on the 9th too but i think i blended too much.. lol i'll check back tomorow night if its still living
and i used my container and it pour very well, even for slurry 
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: cArcace-x] 1
#21530466 - 04/10/15 09:03 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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cArcace-x said: i slurried to wbs on the 9th too but i think i blended too much.. lol i'll check back tomorow night if its still living
and i used my container and it pour very well, even for slurry 

nice build. is that a pp5?
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: eatyualive]
#21530568 - 04/10/15 09:22 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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The lid is definitely the weak link for me. I've got a magnet I'm gonna tape on my finger next time to lift the lid between pours lol...the last couple I did I just left the lid off the slurry jar and poured quick which worked OK for a dozen jars wouldn't want to try it much longer than that.
I really like that lid design ...certainly worth the effort if you're gonna be using it much.
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: tourrat]
#21530571 - 04/10/15 09:23 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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tourrat said: The lid is definitely the weak link for me. I've got a magnet I'm gonna tape on my finger next time to lift the lid between pours lol...the last couple I did I just left the lid off the slurry jar and poured quick which worked OK for a dozen jars wouldn't want to try it much longer than that.
I really like that lid design ...certainly worth the effort if you're gonna be using it much.
i just did 50 with the lid off.
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: eatyualive]
#21530899 - 04/10/15 10:35 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes its pp5 
i like the magnet idea tourrat
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: eatyualive]
#21531920 - 04/11/15 08:28 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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hamloaf said: Slurry bags don't seem to be recovering.
The slurry was innoced to the grains on the 9th. It should be showing recovery by now I reckoned.
The LC bags that were innoced that day are off and running. Going to give the slurry bags until Monday to show growth.
If no growth is shown, I plan on g2g'ing those bags with fully colonized grain spawn in bags that I have chillin JUST IN CASE these slurries don't take. Back up Plan - C. 
todays the 10th. generally the leap off begins after the end of the 2nd day. 48 hours in.
I meant the 6th! 
Bags are 5 - I repeat, 5 DAYS out from inoculation. Still no recovery. No contamination either, so not sure what is being done wrong.
Probably end up g2g'ing, bag to bag-style those bags that have the failed slurry assuming by Monday said slurry doesn't begin colonizing.

There is 10 bags all together that have been slurried. Each fully colonized bag has whopping 10 quarts of fully colonized grain spawn in them.
It's projected that at a 1:10 spawn ratio only one of these bags will be needed to inoculate all ten of these bags with one full quart of fresh, clean fully colonized grain spawn per bag
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: hamloaf]
#21532372 - 04/11/15 10:28 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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My wild ass guess is that your super blender beat the piss out of the myc & it will recover more like a GLC than a slurry.
Are you able to set one of those bags aside as a control?
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: grainbrain]
#21532416 - 04/11/15 10:38 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good theory, graibrain. Thanks for the tip. One of those bags can be set aside, sure.
Might do some good to construct a blender out of an Oster blender like the guys do. Could be the determining factor between success & failure.
Thing is that these bags won't be hassled with until moday anyway. This coming Monday will be 7 days out from inoculation.
Do you think waiting until Monday is long enough for a controlled experiment, or should I just set one aside to see what happens for however long it takes???
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: hamloaf]
#21532592 - 04/11/15 11:20 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you can afford to sacrifice one bag, I would set it aside until it either colonizes, contaminates or next Groundhog's Day. 
Looking forward to seeing the results. I recall some discussion here about overblending causing delayed recovery.
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: hamloaf]
#21533974 - 04/11/15 04:15 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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eatyualive said:
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hamloaf said: Slurry bags don't seem to be recovering.
The slurry was innoced to the grains on the 9th. It should be showing recovery by now I reckoned.
The LC bags that were innoced that day are off and running. Going to give the slurry bags until Monday to show growth.
If no growth is shown, I plan on g2g'ing those bags with fully colonized grain spawn in bags that I have chillin JUST IN CASE these slurries don't take. Back up Plan - C. 
todays the 10th. generally the leap off begins after the end of the 2nd day. 48 hours in.
I meant the 6th! 
Bags are 5 - I repeat, 5 DAYS out from inoculation. Still no recovery. No contamination either, so not sure what is being done wrong.
Probably end up g2g'ing, bag to bag-style those bags that have the failed slurry assuming by Monday said slurry doesn't begin colonizing.

There is 10 bags all together that have been slurried. Each fully colonized bag has whopping 10 quarts of fully colonized grain spawn in them.
It's projected that at a 1:10 spawn ratio only one of these bags will be needed to inoculate all ten of these bags with one full quart of fresh, clean fully colonized grain spawn per bag
thats crazy not any recovery at all. this was the wheat cakes? i don't think that would matter at all. is the eberbach anymore powerful than a regular blender?
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: cArcace-x]
#21533982 - 04/11/15 04:17 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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cArcace-x said: i slurried to wbs on the 9th too but i think i blended too much.. lol i'll check back tomorow night if its still living
and i used my container and it pour very well, even for slurry 

where did you get the green colored lid top? got a link for that? i need to build one of those.
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: eatyualive] 1
#21534802 - 04/11/15 08:12 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: cArcace-x]
#21535142 - 04/11/15 10:03 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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So do you shake jars or not? I'm looking to get the 3 day colonization time down pat and want to make sure I do everything accordingly.
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