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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: Edmunter]
    #21519960 - 04/08/15 03:49 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Eat mentioned that he does not consolidate his jars. 

A tub without gypsum will still work, gypsum is just a ph buffer that helps most in later flushes.

I would not use that jar for slurry G2G, looks kind of iffy.  Others may have a different opinion.

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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: Edmunter]
    #21520213 - 04/08/15 04:51 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

1)once pf jars are colonized. i wait about 2 days before using the jars for slurry.

2)i never used gypsum until about 6 months ago. never had a problem. i don't really see any difference to be honest. ive been testing it for 6 months and it hasn't improved anything or made anything worse. so i don't see it being a bad thing using gypsum or leaving it out. if you have it why not? if you don't, you won't lose any sleep.

3)its blurry but top middle of the picture. one grain looks a little off but it could be lighting. how long is this picture after full colonization? maybe let it go a few more days after full colonization before slurrying it to other quarts. if something looks off color. i would not use it. id want extremely white and fluffy. if a jar is even greyish. i may chunk it just in case.


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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: eatyualive]
    #21520651 - 04/08/15 06:05 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't think you were consolidating the cakes.  Must've misread it.

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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: grainbrain]
    #21521294 - 04/08/15 07:39 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Oddly enough, I believe gypsum does help. I didn't use it for years and years. Then i started using it and noticed no difference. Then i quit and started getting bad cases of verticillium and pseudomonas. Started using it again and haven't had those problems. Idk, i think it just helps with the overall health of the fruits :shrug:


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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: azur]
    #21521301 - 04/08/15 07:40 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Gypsum stabilizes the PH and prevents massive swings :thumbup:

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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21521478 - 04/08/15 08:18 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Gypsum also prevents grain clumping during sterilization, and adds calcium and sulfur availability. 

Calcium and sulfur are two minerals that are essential to the health of mushroom mycelium.

Gypsum can be added at 1-5% to substrates in every stage of the cultivation process. 

Not adding gypsum to any steps in the cultivation process isn't a deal breaker though.


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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: hamloaf]
    #21521490 - 04/08/15 08:19 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I only put it in my sub


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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: azur] * 1
    #21526246 - 04/09/15 09:21 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

i put a dash of pickling lime in my grain baths. seems to help. after the 20 minute bath ill rinse it off with cold water.
if im out of lime, ill use a little gypsum. it helps get the gunk off the cheap wbs grain i use. that stuff is dirty. i found a dried tomato and a dried marishino cherry in one batch. wtf? :lmafo:


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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: eatyualive] * 1
    #21526305 - 04/09/15 09:38 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Damn. Some ol mexican wbs


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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: grainbrain] * 1
    #21526359 - 04/09/15 09:46 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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I didn't think you were consolidating the cakes.  Must've misread it.



i don't remember who but someone was using cakes that had pinned a few pages back and said the growth was really good. i give it a few more days to ensure the inside is colonized.


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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: azur] * 1
    #21526373 - 04/09/15 09:48 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

recently ive had beans, rye berry, millet, broken corn chunks, black sunflower seed, rocks, wood pieces, random dried fruits. there is also a bit of some type of small rock in it that i think is to help sharpen birds beaks. its a grey color and in small rectangular shaped pieces. usually the strainer catches it at the bottom. there have been a few times that there were some odd shaped black slimy looking things that i think were some type of wood. i just chunked it.

it keeps getting better ive found new treasure each time. and even with all that shit in it, if you rinse it out well and strain off the gunk it works just fine!


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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: eatyualive] * 1
    #21526462 - 04/09/15 10:01 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

here is the info about using a pinning cake. so it was already fruting invitro.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21396058#21396058


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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: eatyualive]
    #21526986 - 04/10/15 01:10 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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i don't remember who but someone was using cakes that had pinned a few pages back and said the growth was really good. i give it a few more days to ensure the inside is colonized.




I used cakes that had pins and my growth was super meh, although I think I may have left my sub way too dry when spawning.

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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: stareatclouds]
    #21527441 - 04/10/15 05:43 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

stare are you using bucket tek to prep the subs? you ever try any water bath pasteurization?


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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: eatyualive]
    #21527549 - 04/10/15 06:47 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Slurry bags don't seem to be recovering.  :shrug: 

The slurry was innoced to the grains on the 9th.  It should be showing recovery by now I reckoned.  :shrug: 

The LC bags that were innoced that day are off and running.  Going to give the slurry bags until Monday to show growth. 

If no growth is shown, I plan on g2g'ing those bags with fully colonized grain spawn in bags that I have chillin JUST IN CASE these slurries don't take.  Back up Plan - C.  :lol:


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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: hamloaf]
    #21527601 - 04/10/15 07:17 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Just nocced some muda style pp5 (hpoo/straw/verm/coir/brf/gyp) with a slurry from a cake (1.5" thick/ pint round) that had several large in vitro fruits (tiny heads thick stems,unopened veils) will report on how they recover.

Have done several batches of wbs as well as oats and have been super impressed with this tek...here's a pic of one of the in vitro jars to give an idea of fruit size.



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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: tourrat]
    #21527892 - 04/10/15 09:13 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Talking about pasteurisation.  After my last 2 flops.  I used the bucket tek to hydrate the coir and then for good measure put it in the ove for a couple of hours at 160.  Im trying a coupleof gs2g, Gs to substrarte and just st8 grains.  I will report results as and when.

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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: Edmunter]
    #21528549 - 04/10/15 12:25 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Not sure if its somewhere in the thread... but has anyone noted a tad bit longer time between initiating fruiting and seeing pins when using freshly colonized grain jars( that had been slurry inoculated?) I spawned two tubs ..one with agar to wbs...the other was oats that had slurry put to them. The two tubs (7q spawn each) colonized very fast and were both put into fruiting the same day.

The wbs tub has quite a pin set forming and the oat tub is just starting to knot up good. Appears to be about two-three days behind. The genetics are both narrowed down ms (several transfers of thick rhizo) but are from the same stock.

This is my first run with oats so I was just curious if it was the oats taking an extra bit to consolidate due to their larger size or if the myc was just trying to consume more of the oats due to the rapid colonizing from the slurry before it fruited.

Seems like it would make sense that the myc would want to get a good foothold and actually digest some of the grain before it put out fruits. And it may not have had time to do that in the three days it took for the oats to colonize.


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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: eatyualive]
    #21528664 - 04/10/15 12:58 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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stare are you using bucket tek to prep the subs? you ever try any water bath pasteurization?




Yeah, I've always done bucket tek, but since the stuff I use (just CVG) doesn't require true pasteurization, I've never tried anything else.

I want to buy some of your turkey tins and do oven pasteurization since it works so well for you. Then I can try some coffee and worm castings again.

Is water bath pasteurization what it sounds like?

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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: Edmunter]
    #21528676 - 04/10/15 01:03 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Edmunter said:
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Edmunter said:
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How long do u consolidate your jars befor blending?




:imwithstupid:


Also if you make a tub without gypsum what can go wrong and




So just to add to these questions.  Does this look healthy enough to slurry GS2G?






Ive given it a shake and im going to see how that goes.  I need to wait anyhow as all my jars are full of stuff.  Next week will tell

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