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Mr. Penguin


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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: eatyualive]
#21478269 - 03/30/15 10:59 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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How do my two 66qt monotubs look. They are extremely moist hope this doesn't put a damper on things. Are they ready to spawn?

 Oh and I know I need to trim the liner more. Lol I really fucked up the garbage bag on the first one. Btw this is a coir, verm, gypsum and coffee grounds mix at a 1:4 or 1:3 I forgot. This has been casing for 11 days
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: Mr. Penguin]
#21483850 - 03/31/15 03:39 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok guys so the flow hood came in today. I'm going to be doing my first slurry tonight. Heres a question I have. I have 6 fully colonized jars of KSS (rye grain). I was thinking that I could slurry one of the jars I have and inoculate the 30 jars of grain I have but since I have so much left I could use that in the monotub. Does this sound like I good idea? I take 1 of the colonized jars, fully slurry it,.. use that to fill up the 30 grain jars I have ready to be colonized. While this is going on I'll have my substrate finish pasteurizing - then I can take whatever I have left of the slurried quart jar + the remaining 5 jars of colonized KSS and add that to a monotub.
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eatyualive
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: Mr. Penguin]
#21484348 - 03/31/15 05:24 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mr. Penguin said: How do my two 66qt monotubs look. They are extremely moist hope this doesn't put a damper on things. Are they ready to spawn?

 Oh and I know I need to trim the liner more. Lol I really fucked up the garbage bag on the first one. Btw this is a coir, verm, gypsum and coffee grounds mix at a 1:4 or 1:3 I forgot. This has been casing for 11 days
hard to see from the blur. but from what i can see it looks good. do you plan on casing or are you going to fruit as is? 11 days is a little long. was that how long it took to colonize? what spawn ratio did you use?
once you induce fruiting the moisture on the sub should reduce a little. don't worry about liners. i don't ever trim liners or cut them out. thats too much work. anyone cutting liners is doing more work. and then you have azur who doesn't even use them and says we are all making even more work by using liners. i can't say i disagree. i use 30 gallon trash bags and tuck the sides back under the substrate.
like so.
LINERS: You can use pre cut liners from black painters plastic or 30 gallon trash bags. It doesn't matter which one you use it won't effect your flush in any way. Its much easier to use a 30 gallon trash bag and simply tuck the sides of the bag under the casing and substrate once you have spawned your tub and applied the casing. It may look cooler to cut your liner but its more work.
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stareatclouds said: eat,
That's the 8 quart one? No slurry mixed in? 5 and 3 on top? Also why the F do people stress trimming the bags all neat when apparently it doesn't fucking matter, lol.
I only cut my liners these last few runs to give it a try. ive never used pre cut liners. ill pay a little more for 30 gallon bags so i don't have to cut anything. you unfold them on one side. so your actually laying your substrate on the outside of the trash bag. then after your sub is colonized and you apply the casing layer. you simply fold or tuck the sides under the substrate on the sides. no cutting necessary. in the corners you will notice that they end up floating up in the corners of the tub. it takes about 2 seconds to do it. i can't stand cutting liners to be honest. thats more work than spawning all my tubs. i also seem to screw up my casings when im cutting the liner after ive applied the casing. to each his own but its not for me. i cut liners on 8 tubs and that was far too many for me. in a 66 quart tub, the 30 gallon trash bag fits perfectly with a 4" sub depth and the 8 quarts of spawn per 11 quarts of sub to where i don't even have to fold it back. i only have to fold it back on the 3" sub depth with 5 quarts spawn, 10 quarts substrate.
i folded or tucked it back in this picture. it makes absolutely no difference with your flush. the liner will still pull away with the substrate as it recedes from a big flush. i fold it under to the sides of the substrate. and then in the corners i kind of flip it up where it rests in the corner.

and heres a flush with it tucked back under the sub.

Edited by eatyualive (03/31/15 05:31 PM)
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grainbrain
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: eatyualive]
#21493126 - 04/02/15 04:50 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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As of today (day 20 since slurry), all four tubs have pins. First pins showed on day 17, which is pretty decent for no top layer & no casing layer.
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: grainbrain]
#21493227 - 04/02/15 05:20 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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grainbrain said: As of today (day 20 since slurry), all four tubs have pins. First pins showed on day 17, which is pretty decent for no top layer & no casing layer.
yeah if you just get your technique down a little you can have fruits harvested in 12-13 days! what ratios for your sub were you using? i mean substrate volume and water volume. also all my incubation temps are 78-84 at times when temps drastically change. so that may speed things up a bit.
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: eatyualive]
#21493264 - 04/02/15 05:29 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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I used six quart jars of spawn to the Damion5050 Bucket Tek. The only deviation is that I use 3.75quarts of water, where the tek calls for 4quarts.
I'm still learning the best monotub pinning strategy & may have delayed pinning by a couple days due to messing with upper polyfill density & FAE.
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: grainbrain]
#21493292 - 04/02/15 05:35 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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the substrate as casing method has been giving me the fastest speeds and best pinsets as far as fruiting. but, the fruits are a little small in most tests unless i go about 1/3" depth on the casing layer using that method. but, it has its benefits. its speedy. and it will flush as many times as any other substrate. ive been beating the cased substrates to hell lately and they have still been flushing 3 plus flushes on average each tub.
what else is in the substrate gypsum or verm?
i keep my poly in the bottoms stuffed tight as hell. then the tops in loose and feathery. i have a small fan blowing in the corner of my setup.
i generally add 5 quarts of water to 10 quarts volume of substrate.


test run when i first set it up.
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: eatyualive]
#21493418 - 04/02/15 06:06 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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We're not too far off on technique. My sub is 1 brick coir, 2 qts verm, 1/4-1/2cup gypsum, 3.75 qts water.
I think I also screwed up as my new place uses soft water & didn't realize it was an issue until this week. Next round of tubs will use straight well water. Still dialing in the FAE for the new room.
The sub as top layer has worked well for me in the past, don't know why I switched over to just evenly mixing & no top layer. I generally use casing layers (pasteurized Jiffy mix) during wintertime when the ambient rh drops below 55%.
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: grainbrain]
#21493704 - 04/02/15 07:08 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do you blend the shit out of brf, or attempt to blend it as gently as possible??
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eatyualive
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: hamloaf]
#21493790 - 04/02/15 07:24 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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blend until its a smooth consistency. about 30 seconds. depending on your blender maybe less. if your using something other than brf that may vary.
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: grainbrain]
#21493799 - 04/02/15 07:26 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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grainbrain said: We're not too far off on technique. My sub is 1 brick coir, 2 qts verm, 1/4-1/2cup gypsum, 3.75 qts water.
I think I also screwed up as my new place uses soft water & didn't realize it was an issue until this week. Next round of tubs will use straight well water. Still dialing in the FAE for the new room.
The sub as top layer has worked well for me in the past, don't know why I switched over to just evenly mixing & no top layer. I generally use casing layers (pasteurized Jiffy mix) during wintertime when the ambient rh drops below 55%.
i don't use any bucket teks so i can't give advise as far as that. but i use 5 quarts of water to that volume of subs. maybe that makes the difference? whats the colonization temp?
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: eatyualive]
#21493813 - 04/02/15 07:29 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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eatyualive said: blend until its a smooth consistency. about 30 seconds. depending on your blender maybe less. if your using something other than brf that may vary.
Blend for 30 consecutive seconds. Got it. Thanks.
Nah, using pf cakes with wheat bran instead of brf, technically, but the consistency of cake is the same.
Blending unit is a 500ml Eberbach glass blender with Waring blending unit. The Eberbach sits filled with 300ml's of freshly sterilized tap water.
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: hamloaf]
#21493843 - 04/02/15 07:37 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah thats good. ive never tried the wheat bran and didn't know if it was the same consistency. its about the same as an LI or LC just pour about a tablespoon per jar. with larger size grains. you may need to adjust slightly. id go with what feels right. i tend to do a tablespon volume per wbs quart.
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: eatyualive]
#21495229 - 04/03/15 04:49 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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eatyualive said:
i don't use any bucket teks so i can't give advise as far as that. but i use 5 quarts of water to that volume of subs. maybe that makes the difference? whats the colonization temp?
They colonized in a steady 76-78 degree room, but had to move them to another room that varies from 72-82 for fruiting.
I'll play around with the water content over the next several tubs. 3.75quarts feels light & fluffy, but is probably a bit shy of field capacity.
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: grainbrain]
#21496212 - 04/03/15 11:41 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sorry to interrupt, such nice procedures you all are doing right now. Say, I wrote a silly dream tek for noobs that is a variation to these slurry techniques. But non-slurry people are not up to speed with what's happening in this thread.
Can people take a quick look, its one short paragraph.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21495384
-------------------- -------------------- Deep pour soft agar plates-->bags of WBS-->Low Profile Monos Clean spawn thread | Put a thermometer on your PC
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: tedoro]
#21503564 - 04/04/15 06:12 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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So trying slurry for the first time and I've had issues sterilizing the blender assembly. Luckily I have two units but the first one I had silicone on and I guess the heat unstuck it so when I went to blend it, the water leaked everywhere. Now I'm trying to pressure cook the second assembly that has no silicone RTV on it at all just the jar, grey gasket ring, blender assembly and the metal lid over it. I added aluminum foil over it but I'm hearing the jar making a "pop" noise in the PC as its pressure cooking. Any idea whats going on? Thanks for any tips.
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: thisisfielding]
#21504034 - 04/04/15 08:57 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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for years i never used anything but the blade assembly. a regular mouth 1/2 pint ring. then i would pressure cook that. once cool. bleach wipe the black oster blender base attachment. screw it on, then blend it on the base. oster blenders are what you want.


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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: eatyualive]
#21506266 - 04/05/15 01:09 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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So finally got it working but using the 2:1 grain ratio created a oatmeal consistency. I proceeded to try and inoculate the 30 jars I had ready. I'm now concerned that it's not going to work as it was so thick and just stuck to the side of the jars / lids when shaking.
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: thisisfielding]
#21506304 - 04/05/15 01:19 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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try to pour it on the grain when you make your transfer. then by the time your able to shake the jars the mixture has settled on the grain already. if its too muddy on the next round add a little more water. lets say if you went 1/2 quart of water to 1 quart grain. use 3/4 quart of water to 1 quart of grain. I was using a similiar method like a GLC to do over 100 quarts using the slurry. I had used the same 2:1 water to grain ratio. I have it updated in the op. ill have to go through it and copy it over for you.
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: eatyualive]
#21506328 - 04/05/15 01:26 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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How long do u consolidate your jars befor blending?
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