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stareatclouds
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: blackdust]
#20923638 - 12/03/14 04:38 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here's 5 quarts of WBS noc'd with 1/4 of a 1/2 pint BRF cake 6 days ago. I already shook them at around 40% and they rebounded quickly.
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: chowster]
#20924197 - 12/03/14 06:25 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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chowster said: Alright guys the results are in on my experiment.
Don't slurry using fully colonized WBS
3.5 days and it will look nice and green.

that sux. how sure are you about that?
look up a couple posts to see mudas wbs slurried tub. this is 4 days.
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MudaFuka said: My oat slurry bucket is looking ok after 4 days of colonisation.

I think it might just make it.
Edited by eatyualive (12/03/14 06:57 PM)
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
#20924479 - 12/03/14 07:25 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wait I don't think muda ground up WBS yet tho. I don't have any cakes right now so I gave it a shot. I noticed that I could see tiny colonization points during recovery. I think it was mycelium. But there were was slight green coloration by day 2. Day 3.5 and the darkish green went boom. The grains that didn't get ground up recovered as well as they could. So my guess is that the opinion that the inside of the grain is a contamination waiting to happen if ground up was correct. So sad...
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: chowster]
#20925206 - 12/03/14 09:32 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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how much water did you use? and did you pulverize it into a mud type consistency? what substrate did you use?
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
#20925679 - 12/03/14 11:44 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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eatyualive said: how much water did you use? and did you pulverize it into a mud type consistency? what substrate did you use?
1 grain : 0.8 water
Pulverized as well as I could. Poured into half-pint BRF (couldn't mix of course) and one grain jar (shook like nuts). Both had muddy content poured in.
Poured the rest into a tub with a pasteurized brick of coir and 2 quarts verm. Will see how that goes. So far only signs of colonizing are from grains that weren't shredded up.
The BRFs went super green in the last day. The grain jar has what looks really similar to mycelium but tinted green. I thought maybe the pulverized grain could be causing the color, but after seeing the BRF, I'm thinking some other garbage is colonizing. I'll keep watching the jar and tub, but I'm 99% sure those BRFs are donezo.
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: stareatclouds]
#20930124 - 12/04/14 08:47 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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stareatclouds said: Here's 5 quarts of WBS noc'd with 1/4 of a 1/2 pint BRF cake 6 days ago. I already shook them at around 40% and they rebounded quickly.

so its ok to shake them. but its faster if you allow the jars to colonize fully before shaking. you then can shake the day before you spawn to ensure you have no visible contams after the mycelia recovers. but there is nothing wrong with shaking it should colonize. the jars look good. they are almost done.
Edited by eatyualive (12/04/14 08:48 PM)
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: chowster]
#20930130 - 12/04/14 08:48 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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chowster said:
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eatyualive said: how much water did you use? and did you pulverize it into a mud type consistency? what substrate did you use?
1 grain : 0.8 water
Pulverized as well as I could. Poured into half-pint BRF (couldn't mix of course) and one grain jar (shook like nuts). Both had muddy content poured in.
Poured the rest into a tub with a pasteurized brick of coir and 2 quarts verm. Will see how that goes. So far only signs of colonizing are from grains that weren't shredded up.
The BRFs went super green in the last day. The grain jar has what looks really similar to mycelium but tinted green. I thought maybe the pulverized grain could be causing the color, but after seeing the BRF, I'm thinking some other garbage is colonizing. I'll keep watching the jar and tub, but I'm 99% sure those BRFs are donezo.
im sorry to hear that. ive got something brewing in the coffee pot ill show you soon.
so i was chatting with muda, he did double spawn to water ratio. which turned into a butter type consistency. i think the lower water content for the slurry will make this easier for people. but i think 2:1 may work but you need a spoon. so if you do decide to use a muddier slurry just pc a spoon so you can scoop it out as you spawn. and i want to say that with the grain slurry, the grain will compact much easier than a pf cake. you can use much less water with the grain to water slurry than you would with a pf cake. with a pf cake im not sure what the minimum is but there is a point where there isn't enough water in the blender to break up the pf cake into small enough pieces. the grain is much easier as it already breaks up rather easily. you could shake the jar or use a spoon to break up the grain to dump into a pressure cooked quart/blade lid.
tonight i rtv;ed all 3 of my blender lids/mason jar bands and gaskets into 1 piece like muda suggested. this will make the flipping method much easier for me. i did this the other day and almost dropped the lid/blade assembly. now that its one piece, i can easily flip the pf 1/2 pint cake into the quart jar then put the assembly back on.
i just need to pickup 2 more quarts that are regular mouth. but i don't want to buy 12 and not need the other 10 lol.
Edited by eatyualive (12/04/14 08:54 PM)
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
#20930210 - 12/04/14 09:09 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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eatyualive said:
its faster if you allow the jars to colonize fully before shaking.
Paul Stamens would agree with this quote
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: blackdust]
#20930842 - 12/04/14 11:47 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Interesting. I'd always heard wait 30% or something before shaking to check for contams. I'll go 100% from now on.
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: stareatclouds]
#20930993 - 12/05/14 12:24 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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It seemed to take forever,but my first pins have popped up! No grain, just 2 qtr pints slurried to sub.
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: kungfugrip]
#20931432 - 12/05/14 05:07 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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pin dance!
nice knots!
it is slower to colonize because your only using a 1:40 ratio of spawn to subtrate. but, your skipping a week or more waiting for your grain to colonize. did you record the day you started and how many days it will be to fruit? i would like to see the timing on your grow.
mine took exactly 18 days from inoculation to harvest.
im going to try a full quart of wbs grain with 3/4 the volume of water to see how it works out next time.
Edited by eatyualive (12/05/14 05:15 AM)
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: stareatclouds]
#20931440 - 12/05/14 05:10 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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stareatclouds said: Interesting. I'd always heard wait 30% or something before shaking to check for contams. I'll go 100% from now on.
with grain to grain transfers. but with liquids its really fast so you don't need to shake. but, i think in earlier posts in this thread i also mentioned it was a personal option and there is absolutely nothing wrong with doing so. it may take a few more days to colonize. i think tombosley did the same and did a side by side of jars he shook and jars that he didn't shake. the jars he shook took a little longer. but it doesn't matter if you have time. if your in a hurry you can pick the option that works faster.
if you attempt it again. give it a try without the shake and see how the timing is for you.
slurry in a hurry
Edited by eatyualive (12/05/14 05:10 AM)
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
#20935851 - 12/05/14 11:43 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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I feel like this was a miracle grow. My sub was way too wet. I had to poke a small drain hole in a corner cuz it sweat out so moisture as it colonized. I nocced it up October 27, noticed the first pins December 2. My sub is a little over 3 inches deep in a 66 qt sterilite. I had 2 quarter pint brf cakes s with 8oz water(too much) for spawn. I got a lot of small things wrong, but somehow everything worked out. Thanks again for the great tek. I'll report back with the results!
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
#20935858 - 12/05/14 11:46 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is a regular 1 BRF cake slurry to CVG and worm castings. I spawned on 11-26-14 so it's about 9 days old. Does this growth look consistent or has it slowed down?

Here are my 2 BRF cake tubs. The left had 16oz of water in the mixing jar and the right had 24oz, although I had to dump a bit out to fit the cakes in properly. They're so close together in water weight that I'm not even going to make the distinction anymore.
They were spawned on 11/29/14, so about 6 days or so. How are they looking?
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: stareatclouds]
#20936088 - 12/06/14 01:57 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Look like mine did, for what it's worth
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: stareatclouds]
#20936765 - 12/06/14 09:00 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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stareatclouds said: This is a regular 1 BRF cake slurry to CVG and worm castings. I spawned on 11-26-14 so it's about 9 days old. Does this growth look consistent or has it slowed down?

Here are my 2 BRF cake tubs. The left had 16oz of water in the mixing jar and the right had 24oz, although I had to dump a bit out to fit the cakes in properly. They're so close together in water weight that I'm not even going to make the distinction anymore.
They were spawned on 11/29/14, so about 6 days or so. How are they looking?

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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: azur]
#20938238 - 12/06/14 03:15 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm assuming that's good. Sweet. Here's my WBS which looks to be 100%. It took a bit longer because I shook them up at 40% or so but I apparently don't need to.
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: stareatclouds]
#20938339 - 12/06/14 03:41 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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stareatclouds said: I'm assuming that's good. Sweet. Here's my WBS which looks to be 100%. It took a bit longer because I shook them up at 40% or so but I apparently don't need to.

I havnt done any grain jars but for my bags, the leap from day 4 to day 5 is crazy. For example, on day 4 my bag will apear to be only 40% colonized. On day 5, my bag will appear to be 95% colonized. I;m sure it;s about the same for jars.
Edited by blackdust (12/06/14 03:42 PM)
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: stareatclouds]
#20938354 - 12/06/14 03:45 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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stareatclouds said: I'm assuming that's good. Sweet. Here's my WBS which looks to be 100%. It took a bit longer because I shook them up at 40% or so but I apparently don't need to.


tubs look good. the first one doesn't look all the way done but it may be the way the castings look. give it another few days then introduce to fruiting.
Edited by eatyualive (12/06/14 03:46 PM)
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
#20938372 - 12/06/14 03:49 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Eat, in your experience. Can waiting for pins in a tub before putting in fruiting conditions hurt a tub?
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