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taGyo
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: azur]
#20896269 - 11/27/14 09:25 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wanna pay my rent while you're at it?
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: taGyo]
#20896293 - 11/27/14 09:32 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nope. My bills are high enough
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eatyualive
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: azur]
#20896325 - 11/27/14 09:39 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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50/50 coir/verm should work fine. ive used it on all types of cubes with good success! im going to use it on my next round of ape when im able to pickup the pressure cooker to make some new subs and cook new jars. lol.
Edited by eatyualive (11/27/14 09:40 AM)
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stareatclouds
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
#20896800 - 11/27/14 12:01 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here's my monotub about 24 hours after spawning with 3/4 of a BRF cake.
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: stareatclouds]
#20896871 - 11/27/14 12:23 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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that looks about right to me stare. your already beginning to see leap off and thats a great sign.
here is a refresher so its at the back end of the thread and easier to see side by side. i put them all in sequence starting from the 2nd day after inoculation. full colonization was day 7.
Substrate volume per tub:
1 small brick coir 6 cups of strawnet 2 quarts dry horse nugs 2 quarts dry vermiculite 1/4th cup supercake formula
but any substrate should work. id stray away from things like straw and coffee for this one. unless you really just want to try it out to see if it works.
Side by Side Comparison

Edited by eatyualive (11/27/14 01:05 PM)
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stareatclouds
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
#20896879 - 11/27/14 12:27 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do you dial your tubs in while they're still colonizing or what? Or is the poly all ultra tight until they're 100% and then you loosen/tighten/whatever?
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eatyualive
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: stareatclouds] 1
#20896905 - 11/27/14 12:38 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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i incubate my tubs in a cabinet or shelf with no airflow. so i am able to keep the tight poly in during incubation. if you were incubating in the same room with a fan, you would want to use tape over the holes or something to stop airflow in the tub. the tight poly and closed area i use allows me to incubate with poly in. then i just put it in a room with a ceiling fan and do nothing usually. but recently ive had to do a few different things.
it depends on the setup. ive done several things over the years in different setups.
i do different things if i have a ceiling fan. ill leave them all in tight even top holes. thats with a ceiling fan.
if its a stand up fan. ill have to point the fan at the tubs oscillating back and forth and keep the poly on that side in tight. ill dial in the rest of the 3 sides top holes i have in my tubs.( i use 4 top holes in my tubs, one on each side)
ive never had any luck without a fan. but others have and they may only have to dial in the top holes with no fan. you will have to adapt to what works for your setup. it may take a little trial and error. look for the signs illustrated here and that will give you a good idea if you need to do a more forceful fae or if you can keep it all loose top holes. the loose top holes work for me in some instances, but in some instances i have major drying. or sometimes the tops fall out for me and that dries the tub out easier when i have a 12 hour gap between being able to check the tubs. if the poly fell out 12 hours early it can screw my entire crop. i don't like misting much so to me, the more forced option with the fan works for my life and my timing in the setup i have.
if you have a closet that your is setup in, the smaller fan will work better as the air circulation will be pushed around easier from the close walls. if you have a giant room, you may need something a little more powerful. and if you do point a fan directly at the tubs, your going to have drying if you keep the top holes loose. if they are in tight, the fan can be directed at the tubs without drying.
here is a post from another thread.
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eatyualive said: with a ceiling fan i can usually set and forget for the large room i have.
when im doing it stacked like this it works well with air circulation in my particular situation. if you face the fan directly at the tubs on a low setting it is fine if you keep the poly holes stuffed in tight. but it also depends on the size and strength of your fan. if its a small fan that won't work for my situation in a large room and the large stand up fans i have will dry out the tubs with a higher setting. i actually have an older stand up fan that is much lower airflow than the newer fan. if i run the newer fan on a low setting it dries everything out in an hour. the older stand up fan on a low setting has a nice subtle airflow. small fans may work in a tighter closet with lower size and volume but for larger rooms it does not work for my situation. i have used a ceiling fan in a large room with tight holes for years with no issues at all. recently the ceiling plate mount crapped out on me so i had to improvise until i am able to fix and rewire it.

when i have a huge amount of tubs i do something like this below. but i have a fan that oscillates because the room is very large so getting good air circulation in it without a ceiling fan is a pain for me. so i use an oscillating fan on the opposite side of the room pointed at the tubs but i have it moving back and forth across the room on a low setting. the top holes i have that the fan faces have tight poly in them and the other 3 top holes have loose poly in them. ill even remove the poly on 3 top holes if the flush is huge to get better fae if it appears the fae is tanking out. ive had issues recently when i stack 4 tier like this picture. the tubs in the center aren't getting as good air around them. i ended up making a 3 tier stack that was higher and spacing them further apart, this seems to have solved the issues i just had. the tubs on the outside were doing fine but the two inner rows were crapping out on me. i had to open holes on the sides and misting sides if necessary.


id mount a fan centered above pointing at the tubs if i could. but there isn't anything to mount it to. if it were in a closet it would get better circulation with the air bouncing off the walls. but because this is a bigger room, this higher power oscillating fan has been helping. but my issues with it are that its only a certain height and i get some uneven airflow in the tubs up top.
the ceiling fan has always worked well for me without "dialing in" the top holes at all. recently my fan crapped out so i had to switch things up. i had initially started facing the fan directly at the back wall of this setup but it didn't work at all. i wasn't getting good fae at all with all the tubs having the loose polyfil in the top holes. this temporary fix seemed to work until i had too many tubs spaced far too close to each other. when i give about 6" plus between the tubs it helps quite a bit.
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eatyualive said:
this explains it fairly well but also depends on the situation of your grow room and environment.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20262230
Edited by eatyualive (11/27/14 12:42 PM)
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
#20896959 - 11/27/14 12:53 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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My current APE clone is pretty speedy for an APE. I hope it has a few other good attributes given how fast it is 
Most of the time tho APE is the slowest thing I ever saw.
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stareatclouds
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: Pastywhyte]
#20897786 - 11/27/14 05:26 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks, eat!
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eatyualive
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: stareatclouds]
#20897852 - 11/27/14 05:45 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah the clone i took colonized grain in 6-7 days. which is pretty fast for ape. but its still slow to fruit for sure. ive been meaning to do a slurry to grain jars just to see if it takes a little longer to colonize the jars than other cubes.
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
#20900608 - 11/28/14 02:18 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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My oat slurry bucket is looking ok after 4 days of colonisation.

I think it might just make it.
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: MudaFuka]
#20900619 - 11/28/14 02:21 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: My oat slurry bucket is looking ok after 4 days of colonisation.

I think it might just make it.
I am having to go try the Oat's. I know of a close supply for cheap. Can you give me a tek for prepping and inoculating? 
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: blackdust]
#20900634 - 11/28/14 02:27 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't know of any good oat prep teks but they can be prepped the same as rye or you can just boil them for 30 to 45 minutes. They can be inoculated the same ass any other grain. I use LI (fourth link in my sig). If you do try oats make sure to get whole oats.
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stareatclouds
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: MudaFuka]
#20900827 - 11/28/14 03:23 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, don't get groats, which are often called "whole groats" and sold by Bob's which usually has the stuff we want. They're working all the same for me, but are definitely not what Muda uses and not optimal (they burst way easier, I think, and clump super tough together).
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eatyualive
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: stareatclouds]
#20900982 - 11/28/14 04:09 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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that looks perfect after 4 days!
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stareatclouds
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
#20901011 - 11/28/14 04:21 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Muda's bucket is looking great.
Here's my slurry tub after 2 days. It seems to be colonizing at a reliable rate.

I noc'd up 5 quarts of WBS with a bit of it as well and it's also colonizing relatively quick. I love slurries!
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
#20901255 - 11/28/14 05:38 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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that looks like my 2 days growth as well. after the end of the 2nd day is when you will see it explode in the jars.
Edited by eatyualive (11/28/14 05:39 PM)
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
#20901548 - 11/28/14 06:33 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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eatyualive
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: stareatclouds]
#20902539 - 11/28/14 10:08 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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stareatclouds said: Muda's bucket is looking great.
Here's my slurry tub after 2 days. It seems to be colonizing at a reliable rate.

I noc'd up 5 quarts of WBS with a bit of it as well and it's also colonizing relatively quick. I love slurries!
what was your substrate volume?
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stareatclouds
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
#20902564 - 11/28/14 10:14 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure it was:
- 1 Coir Brick
- 1 Quart Verm
- 1 Quart Worm Castings
- 1 Cup Gypsum
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