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taGyo
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: MudaFuka]
#20874545 - 11/22/14 12:49 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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blackdust


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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
#20874795 - 11/22/14 02:04 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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eatyualive said: although, i think that using boiled water to clean the blender is sterilizing it.
only used boiling water for the first slurry/bag. All other bags did not get this treatment. Also used plane tap water.
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eatyualive
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: blackdust]
#20874828 - 11/22/14 02:10 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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oh wow. lol. you got some balls man for sure!
did you clean the blender at all?
Edited by eatyualive (11/22/14 02:12 PM)
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Re: Liquid spawn: Slurry In a Hurry Spawn: Without the spawn [Re: yellowclaw 1775]
#20874837 - 11/22/14 02:11 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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yellowclaw 1775 said: I'm looking to do this but have a couple questions. Is there a tek for the WBS bag an can I use mycelium fully colonized on WBS to blend?
we are talking about using the wbs as slurry rather than the 100% colonized pf cake jar now. no one has successfully tried it and i think blackdust volunteered and muda was about to try it as well. i would if i could but can't so i won't. lol...
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
#20874838 - 11/22/14 02:12 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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eatyualive said: oh wow. lol. you got some balls man for sure!
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, I got an SD card. Lets see what 16mp pictures will look like!
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: MudaFuka]
#20874874 - 11/22/14 02:21 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: I like that BD is trying different things but I don't like the way she is advocating it so hard all over the boards before she has seen results. I just don't wan a bunch of newbs starting out this way without ever learning the basics.
I have 6 qts of B+ clone spawn I was going to use for a mono today. I'm going to just put 5.5 qts in the mono and use the remaining half qt to slurry to a tray of CVG. This culture is a fast coloniser. The last 2 dub tubs I spawned with it are at 100% after only 5 days. So I think it might work out.
yes i mean this wasn't something intended for newbs. its like a step 4. this was intended for folks who already have basic principles down. ill update the op and mention it. I feel bd isn't advocating it but more using it as an experiment at this point. ive seen posts in the thread saying you know i hope this works ect. seems the debate in the thread was that if it will work or won't work. the first post had a poll asking people to vote. i voted yes initially because i thought it was only talking about not using a pressure cooker to sterilize the blender attachments. i reread the thread and saw it was unsterilized grain spawn. which is more risky, but i think the thread was initially started to see if it would work. id like to see the results. although im wary of it working.
1. learn basic sterile/clean principles 2. get a few tub grows in or have a grasp on growing and the entire mushroom cycle even if in pf jars or bag grows. 3. learn the basics of properly preparing grains. be able to successfully use grain spawn and grow out substrates successfully.have a grasp on bulk substrate and moisture content. 4. try liquid inoculants/ slurries when you have the first few principles down first.
Edited by eatyualive (11/22/14 02:29 PM)
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blackdust


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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
#20874885 - 11/22/14 02:24 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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unless slurry is so contam resistant that it should be put on #1 of the list. Like I said, my contam rate with PF cakes are at 50% and slurry at 0%. These numbers could change. But I dont smell any mold/bacteria or have visible mold on ANY surry projects that are running.
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: blackdust]
#20874926 - 11/22/14 02:34 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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blackdust said: unless slurry is so contam resistant that it should be put on #1 of the list. Like I said, my contam rate with PF cakes are at 50% and slurry at 0%. These numbers could change. But I dont smell any mold/bacteria or have visible mold on ANY surry projects that are running.
well i don't think its so much that its contam resistant.i don't really think anything is. i think its extremely fast. but that doesn't mean that if you pour too much liquid you won't get bacteria. its a possibility. it takes a fine touch of just the right amount to get it to work properly. where people have errors is when they add too much liquid and the bag/ jars get far too much pooling water in them. that is when you tend to see the issues. but so far, ive had a great success rate but i also have tons of experience with liquids, growing bulk, grain preps, exotics ect. so i have an advantage. those that don't have a grasp on basic principles may have a harder time with this. i have seen more success than failure on other forums. but it doesn't mean that if someone were to add far too much water that it might stall out or contaminate.
i did 4 tubs with amazonian slurry jars and all grew out fine without contamination until after the 3rd flush. i ended up chunking those tubs to make room for fresh tubs. but most of the time i usually only do 3 flush max anyway unless i am extremely lazy to prep grain.
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
#20874998 - 11/22/14 02:53 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Moisture content is a huge factor with this. I know years ago when I made my first monos that my moisture content was bad. Now, I make sure that the moisture content is a little under field capacity.
--- I just cleaned my blender as if I made a smoothie (soap & water) then placed the blender on the self for later use.
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: blackdust]
#20875303 - 11/22/14 04:08 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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blackdust said: Moisture content is a huge factor with this. I know years ago when I made my first monos that my moisture content was bad. Now, I make sure that the moisture content is a little under field capacity.
--- I just cleaned my blender as if I made a smoothie (soap & water) then placed the blender on the self for later use.
I noticed this with my first bulk grows. My stuff was too wet. I learned quickly that on the dryer side is better than the opposite.
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And I just learned that before doing my mono.
Lurking is awesome
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MudaFuka
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: taGyo]
#20879602 - 11/23/14 03:21 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just made a slurry with about a half qt of oat spawn. I used it to inoculate this CVG mini mono bucket.
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: MudaFuka]
#20879756 - 11/23/14 03:51 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: Just made a slurry with about a half qt of oat spawn. I used it to inoculate this CVG mini mono bucket.

Whatch it colonize within days!
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: MudaFuka]
#20879782 - 11/23/14 03:54 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Whole oats right? How many seconds did you blend them?
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: invitro]
#20879805 - 11/23/14 03:58 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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I tend to blend mine for about 30 seconds (but I pulsate the blender). I also have to tilt my blender to get the cake completely blended.
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eatyualive
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: MudaFuka]
#20879817 - 11/23/14 04:00 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: Just made a slurry with about a half qt of oat spawn. I used it to inoculate this CVG mini mono bucket.

good luck. i hope it works!
how did the moisture content turn out on that bucket? how much water did you use for the slurry?
Edited by eatyualive (11/23/14 04:01 PM)
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: invitro]
#20879819 - 11/23/14 04:00 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yah whole oats. I didn't really keep track. I was short on verm and feeling lazy After tripping until 5AM so my field capacity ended up a bit wetter than I would have liked. I didn't want to use too much water so I had to blend it pretty well.
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eatyualive
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: MudaFuka]
#20879834 - 11/23/14 04:02 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah from the picture it looks like soup lol. did the grains blend into a thick paste? almost a butter consistency. did you have to use a spoon to get it out of the jar?
if its extremely thick i think it might be difficult to evenly mix into all parts of the substrate.
Edited by eatyualive (11/23/14 04:10 PM)
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
#20879886 - 11/23/14 04:10 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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It was pretty thick. More like melted cheez whiz than butter. I was able to pour most of it. I just used a spoon to scrape the last bit out of the jar. The substrate is a bit on the wet side but not as bad as the picture makes it look.
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: MudaFuka]
#20879894 - 11/23/14 04:12 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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it doesn't look too bad. hmm. how long did you blend the jar? id only do a few second bursts trying to minimize breaking up the grain kernals as much as possible. it appears they were pulverized. how did the slurry look after it was blended?
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