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Re: The lords prayer has changed quite a bit [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #10629083 - 07/06/09 09:46 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

THE ARAMAIC PRAYER OF JESUS
as translated from Aramaic by Saadi Neil Douglas-Klotz of the Sufi Order of the West

O, Birther of the Cosmos, focus your light within us -- make it useful
Create your reign of unity now
Your one desire then acts with ours,
As in all light,
So in all forms,
Grant us what we need each day in bread and insight:
Loose the cords of mistakes binding us,
As we release the strands we hold of other's guilt.
Don't let surface things delude us,
But free us from what holds us back.
From you is born all ruling will,
The power and the life to do,
The song that beautifies all,
From age to age it renews.
I affirm this with my whole being.


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Re: The lords prayer has changed quite a bit [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #10629224 - 07/06/09 10:19 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

So what was the Aramaic source he was translating from?


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Re: The lords prayer has changed quite a bit [Re: sterbeklang]
    #10629576 - 07/06/09 11:22 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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sterbeklang said:
What if we make Mary the Earth Mother?



She is referred to by the title "Queen of Heaven," so that wouldn't quite make sense.


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Re: The lords prayer has changed quite a bit [Re: Silversoul]
    #10629592 - 07/06/09 11:26 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Remember it was Osiris mistaking Set's wife Nephthys for his own wife Isis that started all of this.


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Re: The lords prayer has changed quite a bit [Re: Middleman]
    #10629706 - 07/06/09 11:48 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Indeed, Isis was the original "Queen of Heaven."  It's quite possible that the devotion to Mary was a way of gaining converts from the popular cult of Isis.


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Re: The lords prayer has changed quite a bit [Re: Silversoul]
    #10629830 - 07/06/09 12:16 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Mer was the Egyptian word for mother and Meri is the title for beloved.


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Re: The lords prayer has changed quite a bit [Re: Middleman]
    #10630435 - 07/06/09 01:48 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

And "Miriam" was the most common girl's name in Judea at the time of Jesus(much like "Maria" is the most common girl's name among Hispanics today).


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Re: The lords prayer has changed quite a bit [Re: Middleman]
    #10632961 - 07/06/09 10:08 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

"My source for the Aramaic text is a version of the Syriac Aramaic manuscript of the Gospels, also known as the Peshitta Version, that was prepared by the Reverend G.H. Gwilliam and issued by the Clarendon Press in 1901." Pp. 4-5 Prayers of the Cosmos: Meditations on the Aramaic Words of Jesus by Neil Douglas-Klotz.

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Abwoon is the Name of God in Aramaic - Cosmic Mother Father or Cosmic Birther are both translations. It contains some of the Arabic root as the Name Allah in terms of masculine and feminine linguistic combinations.


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Re: The lords prayer has changed quite a bit [Re: Mr.Al]
    #10633488 - 07/06/09 11:39 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Mr.Al said:
Fucking Romans interfered with the message.

Jesus was not socially acceptable.

The people who frequent churches would probably not like him.

A lot of the stuff he said was really far out.

The stuff written by his apostles was mostly garbage, but that is what you hear at church.

Anyway, I just wanted to be in this thread so I can read that again.......



I agree
the gospel of thomas really goes to show that fact
i sounds like he is talking about kundalini, daoism
who the fuck knows

Quote:

Jesus said:
Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death

If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the Father's kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is within you and it is outside you

Lucky is the lion that the human will eat, so that the lion becomes human. And foul is the human that the lion will eat, and the lion still will become human

I have cast fire upon the world, and look, I'm guarding it until it blazes

This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away

If you fast, you will bring sin upon yourselves, and if you pray, you will be condemned, and if you give to charity, you will harm your spirit

Perhaps people think that I have come to cast peace upon the world. They do not know that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth: fire, sword, war

Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death

These nursing babies are like those who enter the kingdom




That's just a taste.
here is the whole thing
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html

oh and my favorite....
"Be passersby"

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Re: The lords prayer has changed quite a bit [Re: ChiefGreenLeaf]
    #10636925 - 07/07/09 04:30 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah "can you be like a child"... That stuff smacks of Taoism. 

The root of Taoism (indeed all forms of religion) is shamanism. 

It's the drug taking!

People today worship empty ritual of things that probably had some purpose or meaning.

I recall either Discovery or History channel talking about that cat going around hooking people up with psychedelic mushrooms.....  They said that some of the Jewish priests ate the mushies but wanted to keep it secret from the people.


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Re: The lords prayer has changed quite a bit [Re: Mr.Al]
    #10637025 - 07/07/09 04:48 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

There haven't been any Jewish priests in about 2000 years.


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Re: The lords prayer has changed quite a bit [Re: blewmeanie]
    #10637086 - 07/07/09 04:57 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Where did they go?

The Bible is kind of schizophrenic.  The OT and NT are completely different.  Kind of reminiscent of Zoroastrianism.


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Re: The lords prayer has changed quite a bit [Re: Mr.Al]
    #10637317 - 07/07/09 05:48 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

The lineage is still around. I was raised by a Levi, but there haven't been any priests since the temple was destroyed.


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Re: The lords prayer has changed quite a bit [Re: Mr.Al]
    #10637333 - 07/07/09 05:51 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Jews don't call their writings the OT, because they do not recognize the Greek books as a New Testament. The Five Books of Moses (which were not written by Moses) is the Pentateuch (actually Greek for 5 books). The Prophets are referred to as the Haftarah, and collectively, what Christians call the OT is the Tenach. These are a collection of writings which span a lot of time. The so-called NT is also a compilation, and a very incomplete one at that. After the Church Fathers burned the books that threatened ecclesiastical authority, they used only four gospels. Why? Because there are 4 quarters of the world and four winds! Great. Fortunately for the world, the Nag Hammadi library was unearthed by an illiterate and murderous Muslim, God bless 'im.

Why are there no more Jewish priests? Because there is no more Jewish Temple. The Romans demolished the second Temple in 70 AD. Temple worship was demolished along with the Temple, Jews were scattered around the globe (the Diaspora, or dispersion), and Rabbinic Judaism arose to minister to the needs of a decentralized Jewish religion. Now, aside from the West Wall (The Wailing Wall) of what was once Solomon's Temple (rebuilt by Herod), there is The Dome of the Rock - the Muslim mosque which sits on the razed Temple - the Temple Mount.


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Re: The lords prayer has changed quite a bit [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #10637850 - 07/07/09 07:31 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Markos is astoundingly well versed in this stuff...

Whatcha think about stuff like Reiki and JohRei?


I've experienced both but have only some training in the Reiki...


Perhaps more importantly, do you know of any other useful "schools" for that kind of work???

Stuff works great with Ayahuasca.....


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Re: The lords prayer has changed quite a bit [Re: Mr.Al]
    #10638937 - 07/07/09 10:08 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

There's a lot of "stuff" to be well versed in, and I'm not conversant in either of the schools you mention. My best friend from babyhood learned Reiki and he's never discussed it with me. My massage therapist, at my chiropractor, uses a Reiki technique of vibe-clearing or whatever, when she's finished, but I plead ignorance in these domains.


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Re: The lords prayer has changed quite a bit [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #10643321 - 07/08/09 06:04 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Seriously, you need to check out Reiki and JohRei.

Reiki is "universal life force energy healing".

JohRei is this white light energy....

I am only trained in Reiki but have experienced both...

The JohRei is more subtle and powerful.  It directly effects the perceptual faculty.  Colors are brighter and you just feel really blissed out.  Reiki has very specific applications.  Both can be used long-distance!

Psychedelics plus Reiki is amazing.  The symbols start to vibrate and do strange things.  This is especially useful where much healing is needed.

I highly recommend that you experience these traditions.  There is training readily available in both of them.


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