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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Huxley]
    #1071459 - 11/20/02 09:37 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

"How do you explain why countries like Switzerland, where everyone owns a gun, does not have the amount of gun violence as the US?"

They've all been given military training. Any idiot can buy a gun in the US.

"And I do reserve the right to criticize McKinney because she is not only ignorant but stupid."

Go ahead, just don't claim that Moore agrees with everything she says.


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Huxley]
    #1071464 - 11/20/02 09:38 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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How do you explain why countries like Switzerland, where everyone owns a gun, does not have the amount of gun violence as the US?


I can't...but if your statement is true, then you have only strengthened my case that Americans are bloodthirsty.


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Huxley]
    #1071485 - 11/20/02 09:49 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I thought my post was fairly self explanitory, but I will try to explain it differently. Americans (according to the movie at least) are bombarded with media meant to scare them...Killer Bees, Snipers, Anthrax, Terrorism, Drunken Driving, Gun Control, Riots in L.A., they have no other alternative than to be terrified of everything. Let me give you an hypothetical example...An individual decides he needs a gun for protection, has he ever been a victim previous to buying the gun?..no. Does he personally know anybody that has been in actual need of owning a Glock for protection?...probably not. So where does this idea that he needs a gun come from? Will a gun make him "feel" safer...or more paranoid?

Canada has roughly 10 million homes (notice I said homes, not people)...and an estimated 7 million guns...so where is the violence? The answer is that is must have something to do with the American mentality itself, I ask what else it could be besides fear? (P.S. I never stated anywhere about "whites" being afraid of Blacks...I said Americans)
Americans are being programmed to be afraid...Fear is big business. Think about that for a moment, and how much money you spend on things to make you "feel" safer...


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Huxley]
    #1071499 - 11/20/02 09:57 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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And you must admit that if you think that Bush knew about the WTC attack beforehand that you hold a fringe view. Whether it is true or not, 99% of the US population does not believe this, therefore it can't be anything other than a fringe view, unless if you are from France of course




Yes, of course I hold a fringe view....how could it be popular to admit that the most powerful person in the world knew the attacks were coming, yet did nothing to stop it...after all it's never happened before...oh wait...What about the bombing of London in WW2? That was known well in advance, yet Churchill didn't stop it because he didn't want the Germans to know they broke their code...but that was surely the only case right?...guess again...They recently disclosed that The U.S. government was also aware the Pearl Harbour attack was coming, for the sole purpose of getting America involved in the war. These are terrible acts that perhaps happened for the greater good...that doesn't mean much to the families of the people that died though. Only time will tell whether or not G.W. was aware of what was going on, to me..I think it's obvious...but that's another thread...


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #1072718 - 11/21/02 05:19 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I have my thoughts on Columbine and they're more about the cowardace of the police than the legitamacy of the anti-gun movement.

Remember during Columbine, during the massacre, the police refused to enter citing reasons of officer safety. They chose to allow kids to die because they're prefer not to have any officers harmed. They were just cowards, spineless worthless garbage. They valued the lives of policmen more than the lives of kids. In my opinion it simply speaks of the double standard that exists and how the police view themselvesa as elite uber-citizens and the rest of us as peasants not worth bothering to rescue. If anything I think this blatent double standars should be used to encourage others to carry concealed firearms for personal protection and the defence of other innocent people since Columbine makes clear that the Police have different priorities than trying to save your life (they just don't care about the lives of kids being killed, or your life), like trying to save their own bacon.


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1073190 - 11/21/02 10:53 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I'm surprised you can't see the irony in your statement...



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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Rono]
    #1073473 - 11/21/02 12:57 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Hey, the cops aren't willing to put their lives on the line when kids are dieing because they're cowards. If I was the cop there I'de have grabbed a shotgun ran in and blased those 2 kids to kingdom come. Arm the teachers and principals and this kind of thing won't get out of hand again.


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1073503 - 11/21/02 01:08 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

The cops were just following a little thing called "procedure"... How did they know the doors weren't booby trapped? Or that there wasn't an ambush waiting for them? There was alot of confusion and panic going on at the time, and only an idiot would go charging into that type of situation without knowing a few details first....I doubt that giving the staff weapons would have changed anything...The irony that I spoke of was that you think that this situation could have been resolved with MORE weapons. (which proves my point about Americans even further) Perhaps the main issue was why did these kids have such easy access to these weapons in the first place? ..or even more importantly, what drove these kids to do such an act in the first place?


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Rono]
    #1073532 - 11/21/02 01:20 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Kids were being killed and the cops just wanted to save their own bacon. The cop that was already in the school when it started fled to save himself when he should have stayed to handle the situation. It was a major fiasco on the part of PD. They've taken the blame for allowing it to be so bad and deservedly so. Those procedures you're talking about, those excuses, have been repeated by the PD to try to make it look like hey weren't to blame, but they are. If the teachers had been armeds they could have quickly shot the 2 killers and ended the massacre immediatly, as could have the cop in the school, but he fled.


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1073544 - 11/21/02 01:23 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

And you think a teacher (with no training at all) would have handled the situation better than a cop?...who has been trained for similar situations? Please... that's just another typical "we need MORE guns" knee jerk reaction, when in reality that is the problem. (What if said teacher had a bad day, and decided to go the rampage himself?) Instead of maybe just punching a student out of frustration, he now has the means to kill at his fingertips, while he is in a violent frame of mind.

And you never addressed my other statements...why did these kids have these guns in the first place?

Don't misunderstand me, because I think the public should have weapons...with restrictions. There is no feasable reason why John Q Public needs an Automatic Weapon, or an Assault rifle or any gun that needs a clip for that matter.

Rail Gun, have you seen the movie?


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1073681 - 11/21/02 02:14 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Is this the kind of school-life you want for your kids? Two armed kids walking round machine-gunning people and teachers running round like Billy the kid blasting, and more than likely blowing the heads off yet more innocent kids as they go?


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1074262 - 11/21/02 04:57 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

No matter what, you are a coward if you use a gun against anything.


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: angryshroom]
    #1074415 - 11/21/02 05:51 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

In reply to:

No matter what, you are a coward if you use a gun against anything.




You are incredibly stupid.

If you see a group of guys raping a woman and you use a gun to help, you're a coward?
If you're hiking and you see a rabid or wild animal attack a child, you're a coward if you save him/her with a gun?
During the riots in LA a few years back, and if you were there when that truck driver was dragged from his truck and had his skull caved in, you'd be a coward to protect him with a gun?
If during one of the well publicised school shootings, anyone who stopped the criminals using a gun would be a coward?
Someone is killing a friend or family member and you stop them with a gun, you're a coward?

You ignorant ass. I hope you're never in need of defense. God forbid some coward with a gun should happen along and save your sorry pathetic ass.


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1074443 - 11/21/02 05:55 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

God forbid some coward with a gun should happen along and save your sorry pathetic ass.

Save someone? You'd more than likely be shaking and panicking so much you'd put two rounds into the raped woman and then get raped yourself.


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Xlea321]
    #1074448 - 11/21/02 05:59 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Sure Albie. You go only believing everyone is like you.

Hard for you to swallow I know, but not all of us are limp wristed little pansies like you.


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1074461 - 11/21/02 06:06 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Squeal boy Squeal!

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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Xlea321]
    #1074642 - 11/21/02 07:32 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry Albie, your insults are as weak as your arguements.


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1074702 - 11/21/02 08:04 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

you're acting like kids going into a school to shoot and people and throw bombs is just a normal fucking routine occurance. we're not talking about what happened ater they started. why were they doing it in the first place???


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #1074729 - 11/21/02 08:19 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

A question we'll probably never be 100% sure of any answer. It would be simple just to say they were nuts, but there must be a better answer than that. Perhaps spoiled little brats who weren't taught right from wrong.


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Rono]
    #1074906 - 11/21/02 09:29 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

You're a Canadian.  What would you know about living in America, other than what you are fed by the the media and people like Michael Moore???

"Americans (according to the movie at least) are bombarded with media meant to scare them...Killer Bees, Snipers, Anthrax, Terrorism, Drunken Driving, Gun Control, Riots in L.A., they have no other alternative than to be terrified of everything."

Yeah, at least the ignorant, lifeless ones who sit in front of their TV all day and really believe that comfort is the meaning of life.

"An individual decides he needs a gun for protection, has he ever been a victim previous to buying the gun?..no"

An individual decides to put on his seatbelt when he gets into his car.  Has he ever ever been in an automobile accident previous to making this choice?..no

"So where does this idea that he needs a gun come from? Will a gun make him "feel" safer...or more paranoid?"

No one NEEDS anything.  If someone wants to buy a gun for self-defense, you're wasting your time trying to analyze the way their mind must be working when they make this choice.  It's pretty simple really.  Maybe owning a gun will make someone more paranoid.  What's your point?


"Canada has roughly 10 million homes (notice I said homes, not people)...and an estimated 7 million guns...so where is the violence? The answer is that is must have something to do with the American mentality itself, I ask what else it could be besides fear? "

When you spent all that time asking yourself about the American way of life, did you ever think about population density?

"Americans are being programmed to be afraid...Fear is big business."

What is it with Canadians and other non-americans always making rampant generalizations about Americans?  America is just another chunk of land where individuals live.  Granted, some are sucked into certain agendas and waht not.  But I could sit around all day saying things like "Canadians are being programmed to fuck billy goats, and it makes sense, why else would they all live in the mountains?" but no matter how silly or rational my conclusion, I would be talkin out of my ass becuase I don't live in Canada and even if I did, my opinion could not accurately reflect the big picture.

"...Fear is big business. Think about that for a moment, and how much money you spend on things to make you "feel" safer... "

Is fear an exportable commodity or does it only sell to Americans?  Did you ever clutch a teddy bear late at night because you were afraid the BOOGEY MAN was under your bed?  :smirk:


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