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Aside from the war on drugs
    #10637516 - 07/07/09 06:29 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

How else is America fucking up? What other policies do you think need to seriously be examined?






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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: skatealex2]
    #10637531 - 07/07/09 06:32 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

the unconstitutional basis of the federal reserve to issue currency

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #10637551 - 07/07/09 06:35 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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the unconstitutional basis of the federal reserve to issue currency




This.

Also you guys have some pretty dense areas of religious folks, it's always good to have a mix.

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Chubba]
    #10637557 - 07/07/09 06:36 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

we need universal health care.


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: skatealex2]
    #10637560 - 07/07/09 06:37 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Any policy that infringes on our rights as sovereign human beings.
i.e: drugs, abortion, gay marriage, etc etc.

Public education, and health care.

Also see: Bombing the fuck out of other countries for fun and profit


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Shroomism]
    #10637578 - 07/07/09 06:40 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

we need to be more like russia everyday.


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Shroomism]
    #10637580 - 07/07/09 06:40 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Sometimes I honestly feel that You are better off asking what is right with this country..

You'll get a shorter answer, thats for sure

Edited by LicHmicrO (07/07/09 06:41 PM)

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Taco Chef]
    #10637611 - 07/07/09 06:47 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

You guys aren't getting no public healthcare.

We had excellent public healthcare in Australia... now it's nearly dead. Through decades of ineffecient bureaucracy and now massive government debt is the final nail in the coffin.

You guys are fucked in that department, we're all fucked :vaped:

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: LicHmicrO]
    #10637621 - 07/07/09 06:48 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)



I think speeding tickets are BS- they should raise the speed limits worldwide!  It's fucking annoying to deal with 50 MPH speed limits


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: LicHmicrO]
    #10637630 - 07/07/09 06:50 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Our current healthcare system...
Our current education system...
our current retirement and 401K plan...
the fact that millions of dollars are spent just to have lobbyists from big corporations in washington controlling what is possibly written into law...
Marriage TO ALL (gays/lesbians) not some fake partnership with no benefits...
Our benefits to veterans that serve over seas...

must i go on?? it would take a while..


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: skatealex2]
    #10637642 - 07/07/09 06:52 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

skatealex2 said:
How else is America fucking up? What other policies do you think need to seriously be examined?













I know exactly whats wrong. Everyone blames others for their shit. We get to vote for Douche bag That steals your money or asshole that robs you.

Actually whats wrong is term limits in every elected position.Or lack of. The life long politician is running down or country.


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Taco Chef]
    #10637671 - 07/07/09 06:59 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

novumorganum said:
we need universal health care.





no we dont

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #10637680 - 07/07/09 07:01 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

novumorganum said:
we need universal health care.





no we dont




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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: doodoomaster]
    #10637713 - 07/07/09 07:09 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

doodoomaster said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
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novumorganum said:
we need universal health care.





no we dont






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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: LicHmicrO]
    #10637738 - 07/07/09 07:13 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

LicHmicrO said:
Quote:

doodoomaster said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
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novumorganum said:
we need universal health care.





no we dont










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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: LicHmicrO]
    #10637743 - 07/07/09 07:13 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

LicHmicrO said:
Quote:

doodoomaster said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

novumorganum said:
we need universal health care.





no we dont










I don't think its been said yet, but welfare needs to be fucking abolished.


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: smac1009]
    #10637759 - 07/07/09 07:17 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Welfare iz reperations.


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: skatealex2]
    #10637761 - 07/07/09 07:17 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Id like to see the teacher's union disbanded.  Its the most destructive force in our country against our children's education.

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: smac1009]
    #10637762 - 07/07/09 07:18 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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smac1009 said:
I don't think its been said yet, but government needs to be fucking abolished.



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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #10637773 - 07/07/09 07:20 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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smac1009 said:
I don't think its been said yet, but government needs to be fucking abolished.







Anarchy FTW


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: LicHmicrO]
    #10637799 - 07/07/09 07:24 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Why is everyone against public healthcare?

It's good to have surgeons and EM doctors for trauma accidents etc.

I hate private health insurance :megacrankey:

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: smac1009]
    #10637808 - 07/07/09 07:25 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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smac1009 said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
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smac1009 said:
I don't think its been said yet, but government needs to be fucking abolished.











What...Im just going along with the crowd.


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Chubba]
    #10637812 - 07/07/09 07:26 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Chubba said:
Why is everyone against public healthcare?

It's good to have surgeons and EM doctors for trauma accidents etc.

I hate private health insurance :megacrankey:





Because we believe in freedom.

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: DieCommie]
    #10637821 - 07/07/09 07:28 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Because socialism sucks.


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: DieCommie]
    #10637822 - 07/07/09 07:28 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Because we believe in freedom.




So you want no healthcare?

I don't know what the alternative is?

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: DieCommie]
    #10637826 - 07/07/09 07:28 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

because they like accountants deciding you shouldn't get treatment because saving your life screws the profit margin.


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: smac1009]
    #10637827 - 07/07/09 07:28 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

While were at it

FUCK minimum wage

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Chubba]
    #10637831 - 07/07/09 07:29 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Chubba said:
Why is everyone against public healthcare?

It's good to have surgeons and EM doctors for trauma accidents etc.

I hate private health insurance :megacrankey:





It's great to have surgeons and em docters ready to go but that doesn't happen with universal health care. If we did go the universal road we would need a million more doctors, a trillion more dollars and a quagillion idiots to stay in good health.


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Chubba]
    #10637841 - 07/07/09 07:30 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Chubba said:
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Because we believe in freedom.




So you want no healthcare?

I don't know what the alternative is?





The alternative is I buy my own health care and dont make you pay for it.

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: doodoomaster]
    #10637863 - 07/07/09 07:33 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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It's great to have surgeons and em docters ready to go but that doesn't happen with universal health care. If we did go the universal road we would need a million more doctors, a trillion more dollars and a quagillion idiots to stay in good health.




Indeed.

Our healthcare system in Australia crumbled because of the 100,000's of old people that rape the taxpayers money trying to stay alive when they're 90yo's in a state of constant treatment/surgery.

I do like the idea of having public healthcare for trauma and other cases.

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: DieCommie]
    #10637864 - 07/07/09 07:33 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

American by birth, rebel at heart.


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: DieCommie]
    #10637876 - 07/07/09 07:34 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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The alternative is I buy my own health care and dont make you pay for it.




That sucks.

Fuck private healthcare.

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Chubba]
    #10637889 - 07/07/09 07:36 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Chubba said:
Why is everyone against public healthcare?

It's good to have surgeons and EM doctors for trauma accidents etc.






it would be nice to live long enough to see those doctors as
well, unfortunately under public health care policies hospitals
become over crowed and short staffed, under the current policies
once you opt for medicare/medicaid or even start going to the VA
hospitals they start billing after your death, all your assets
will revert to government and your heirs will be fucked again

http://www.qctimes.com/news/local/article_421e3cf6-6900-11de-b675-001cc4c002e0.html

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #10637934 - 07/07/09 07:45 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Ok, so public healthcare is pretty fail... because most people don't look after themselves.

Once it becomes privatized though, profit comes into the equation :megacrankey:

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Chubba]
    #10637952 - 07/07/09 07:48 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Greedy people .


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Chubba]
    #10637980 - 07/07/09 07:54 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Ok, so public healthcare is pretty fail... because most people don't look after themselves.




no, public health care is fail because the government steps in
after your death and takes payment so your options are to either
die with nothing or have government take what you have after
your death leaving your heirs with nothing and all this with us
paying in to the system to pay for this shit, they're double
billing those that use the system and billing those that buy
into private health care

now what makes this even more entertaining is the fact that
they've tied medicare into the rest of government aid, if
someone is in need of say food stamps or cash assistance while
they're between jobs they have to be on medicare as well and
that money has to be paid back, now when it comes to repayment,
I'm all for it the problem is that we're paying for it already
through our taxes so we're always stuck with double billing for
the service rendered only once

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #10637988 - 07/07/09 07:55 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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no, public health care is fail because the government steps in
after your death and takes payment so your options are to either
die with nothing or have government take what you have after
your death leaving your heirs with nothing and all this with us
paying in to the system to pay for this shit, they're double
billing those that use the system and billing those that buy
into private health care




They don't do that in Australia I'm pretty sure.

The healthcare is "free", albiet now shitty (people dying in coridoors etc).

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: doodoomaster]
    #10638004 - 07/07/09 07:57 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

What about healthcare that is non-profit but not public?

Your money pays for the hospital, the equipment, the doctors/nurses/admin etc. and it runs as is.

Same as private, but no corporation or board of directors on top raping profit.

Is that doable?

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Chubba]
    #10638009 - 07/07/09 07:58 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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They don't do that in Australia I'm pretty sure.

The healthcare is "free", albiet now shitty (people dying in coridoors etc).




right but in the US the do it and they get away with it

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #10638014 - 07/07/09 07:59 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

lol that's fucked, no wonder you guys are bitter.

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Chubba]
    #10638027 - 07/07/09 08:01 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Chubba said:
What about healthcare that is non-profit but not public?

Your money pays for the hospital, the equipment, the doctors/nurses/admin etc. and it runs as is.

Same as private, but no corporation or board of directors on top raping profit.

Is that doable?




what about those that cant pay, in the instance of the US the
millions of illegal aliens that hit the hospitals for every
little thing and dont pay the bill because they simply dont have
to, or for that matter the citizen that do the same thing

who pays for that?

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #10638045 - 07/07/09 08:04 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

what about those that cant pay, in the instance of the US the
millions of illegal aliens that hit the hospitals for every
little thing and dont pay the bill because they simply dont have
to, or for that matter the citizen that do the same thing

who pays for that?




That's the problem :mad:

You can't have free healthcare though, people are afraid of death... our whole public healthcare system is clogged up with old people that are well past their expiration date and refusing to die.

You're 90 years old, you've had $2 million worth of surgery, you got 50 tumours in your body and a bunch of carers/nurses looking after you around the clock.

FUCK ME, JUST DIE!

That's why the "all healthcare is free" system doesn't work.

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Chubba]
    #10638070 - 07/07/09 08:07 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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lol that's fucked, no wonder you guys are bitter.





and the majority of idiots in the US voted a marxist into
office to help push more shit like this through

they dont read the fine print

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Chubba]
    #10638096 - 07/07/09 08:10 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

And what of the 30 something without medical insurance that needs an operation because of a accumulated job related injury,
but the employer pulled fraud on the insurance company and they wont give you aid, even though it's their fault
and you don't want to be in debt for the rest of your life so you're just trying to get the aid they owe you as you are in chronic pain daily
but can't because of stupid legal bullshit and red tape

Some people that NEED and DESERVE medical treatment can't even get it


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Chubba]
    #10638128 - 07/07/09 08:14 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Chubba said:
You can't have free healthcare though, people are afraid of death... our whole public healthcare system is clogged up with old people that are well past their expiration date and refusing to die.





euthanasia, unfortunately what's considered humane for animals
is called murder when applied to humans, it's not ecause of the
will of the people, it's because of the will of government and
modern medicine that they remain alive in the US, you're not
allowed to simply die peacefully because some fuckwad doctor
will get an injunction declaring you mentally unfit and have you
committed to his care where you are forced to live out your days
costing more money to everyone

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Shroomism]
    #10638160 - 07/07/09 08:18 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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And what of the 30 something without medical insurance that needs an operation because of a accumulated job related injury,
but the employer pulled fraud on the insurance company and they wont give you aid, even though it's their fault
and you don't want to be in debt for the rest of your life so you're just trying to get the aid they owe you as you are in chronic pain daily
but can't because of stupid legal bullshit and red tape

Some people that NEED and DESERVE medical treatment can't even get it





then they do what every illegal in the nation does, get the
surgery and say 'fuck the doctors', it's happening with millions
every day, adopting a public health policy isnt going to help
anything, it's just going to cost everyone more

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #10638171 - 07/07/09 08:20 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

sounds like that would fuck with your credit pretty hardcore, if you care about that sort of thing.


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Chubba]
    #10638190 - 07/07/09 08:22 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I support Universal health care because even if someone is poor and can't afford health care they still have a right to be treated. Thats why I voted Obama.

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Shroomism]
    #10638233 - 07/07/09 08:28 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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sounds like that would fuck with your credit pretty hardcore, if you care about that sort of thing.





only seven years, but considering the options it's usually best to
sue the employer for his 'mistake' and have the money for the
surgery coming out of his pocket, fraud is one of the easiest
cases to prove, there's usually a paper trail

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #10638276 - 07/07/09 08:35 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

yeah, that's what she's been going through for 2 years.. sueing the employer.
But in the meantime they are going through all kinds of legal red tape bullshit, and stupid lawyers and stupid laws, drawing the process out.
When she needs treatment 2 years ago for two completely torn rotator cuffs and can't function in any normal job and is in chronic pain daily
It's just stuff like that.


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Shroomism]
    #10638329 - 07/07/09 08:43 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

that's more money for her when she wins, every little expense
including stamps for sending letter to the attorney needs to be
charged back on this guy

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    #10638392 - 07/07/09 08:51 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I actually want to write a book about all the things I'd change, but I'll just give you little run-down:


Fiscal Policy:

- Nationalize the Federal Reserve and establish a government-issued debt-free currency.
- End the privilege of banks to create money out of debt through fractional-reserve banking.
- Replace income tax and sales tax with a single tax on land values.
- Tax pollution, carbon emissions, mining, logging, etc. in such a way as to internalize costs.
- Set up a feebate system to improve the auto industry.
- Ban derivatives and other financial instruments based on nothing but debt.
- End corporate personhood and restrict corporations from outsourcing jobs.
- Campaign finance reform.
- Reform the capital gains tax so that it encourages long-term investment over short-term speculation.
- Measure economic activity with some better measure than GDP.
- Focus economic goals on qualitative development, rather than quantitative growth.


Social Policy:

- Legalize gay marriage.
- Legalize and regulate prostitution and gambling.
- Reform health care with a public option.
- Reform our prison system so that it doesn't make minor offenders more violent.
- Strengthen border security while creating a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants currently in the country.
- Use the revenue from land values to replace social security with a citizen's dividend and lower the retirement age to 50.


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: skatealex2]
    #10638560 - 07/07/09 09:18 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Fractional reserve banking system.

Keeping net neutrality.


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    #10638928 - 07/07/09 10:07 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Waste: America needs to(both for itself and the planet) curb the massive ammounts of wasted energy and resources. This is the story of the western world. But considering America wastes/pollutes as much as the entire western world America's need evolve is far greater then say, The Netherlands. Notice I didn't say Canada?
Because, we, like you, are a nation of yuppie pigs. We have a long way to come as well.

Foreign Policies: I'm not going to spend a million hours on this one. We all know(those of us that have respectable intelligence or age, or both :wink: ) about the many coups America has sponsored/supported/caused, and Iraq, etc.......
Raping the poor world for un-payable debts that we're incurred under dictators set up by your government is the height of arrogance. And yet most Americans don't seem to even know the history, let alone the debts

While I don't buy Obama's new America, it would be nice if while not changing things fundementally, he at least had some laws passed ban torture weapons.

As America sells the world's majority of torture weapons. Second, is China.
I'm not talking about stuff that can hurt being used to torture people. I mean weapons designed specifically for torturing people.

So, in a nutshell.
Stop destroying the planet(*so badly) and mind your own fucking business.
Still, I will say, .... One thing that scares me about America losing it's role as superpower. Which is happening, and WILL happen. Whether some of you like it or not.

BTW, the shroomery is WAAAAAY to nationalistic. Especially for a shroom board.
Anyway, what's worse then America running the world?
Letting another country like China do it.

BTW,

Some of seem like your still 17 :smirk:
getting rid of the government is a childish and backwards idea.
If I was American maybe I could understand the desire better.
But it still strikes me as juvenile.


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Silversoul]
    #10638940 - 07/07/09 10:08 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
Social Policy:
- Legalize gay marriage.
- Legalize and regulate prostitution and gambling.
- Reform our prison system so that it doesn't make minor offenders more violent.





agree completely


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- Reform health care with a public option.
- Use the revenue from land values to replace social security with a citizen's dividend and lower the retirement age to 50.




revenue from land values, would this be doing away with privately held lands?

how would you reform health care


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- Strengthen border security while creating a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants currently in the country.





illegal aliens that are currently here shouldnt be rewarded for
violating our laws, it's like a slap in the face to those
immigrants that have come here legally and gone through the
proper channels and committed themselves to becoming citizens,
illegal aliens have circumvented background and checks, offer
nothing in the lines of a profession that the citizens cannot
offer and in most cases are comitting more crimes while they're
here... do we need to reward criminal activity? lets just give
child molesters keys to the daycare center instead

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #10638986 - 07/07/09 10:14 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Psilocybeingzz said:
getting rid of the government is a childish and backwards idea.
If I was American maybe I could understand the desire better.
But it still strikes me as juvenile.




nope... more than 90% of government can be done away with

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #10639022 - 07/07/09 10:19 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
illegal aliens that are currently here shouldnt be rewarded for
violating our laws, it's like a slap in the face to those
immigrants that have come here legally and gone through the
proper channels and committed themselves to becoming citizens,
illegal aliens have circumvented background and checks, offer
nothing in the lines of a profession that the citizens cannot
offer and in most cases are comitting more crimes while they're
here... do we need to reward criminal activity? lets just give
child molesters keys to the daycare center instead



I totally agree with this, i have taught second grade students (some of which are illegal) with reading and comprehension.  And while i don't agree they should be benefiting from all us real americans, i think we should have a more authentic form of federal ID than a social security number.  Because its VERY easy to get a fake SSN.  I also lived about 30 miles from the US/MX boarder for 9 months, im aware of the problem and its consequences on society and culture.  I was actually eating dinner in Green Valley, AZ this spring, and a black hawk helicopter flew over (so close to the ground) and was honking this VERY loud horn.  Mexicans were running all over the place, just fleeing to anywhere they could hide.  It was actually a site to see, and federal dept. of homeland security SUV's were driving like fucking animals trying to catch the mexicans.


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #10639033 - 07/07/09 10:21 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Well, well....  that`s fine, Punk.

I disagree strongly. :snowman:

BTW, what`s in that 10% you would keep?


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: skatealex2]
    #10639109 - 07/07/09 10:33 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

The Patriot Act...


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: metalmorph]
    #10639133 - 07/07/09 10:37 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

FISA courts.


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #10639196 - 07/07/09 10:47 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Reason # 232831.
College students that use heroin.
Fucking dopers. :snowman:


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Chubba]
    #10639215 - 07/07/09 10:51 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Ok, so public healthcare is pretty fail... because most people don't look after themselves.

Once it becomes privatized though, profit comes into the equation :megacrankey:



Profit is in the equation regardless. It's just different people profiting.


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    #10639259 - 07/07/09 10:59 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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revenue from land values, would this be doing away with privately held lands?



No.  You would still own the land on which you have your house, but you would be paying for the value of it to the government.  Land value taxes would shift the cost of land from sale price to taxes, so that you'd basically be paying nothing for it up-front, and would just pay taxes on it once you own it.  So you'd basically be paying to the government what you would otherwise be paying on your mortgage.

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how would you reform health care



A public-private mix like what France has.  Private insurance would compete with a public option.  Elective procedures would still have to be paid for privately.  I'd lower prescription prices through intellectual property reform.


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illegal aliens that are currently here shouldnt be rewarded for
violating our laws, it's like a slap in the face to those
immigrants that have come here legally and gone through the
proper channels and committed themselves to becoming citizens,
illegal aliens have circumvented background and checks, offer
nothing in the lines of a profession that the citizens cannot
offer and in most cases are comitting more crimes while they're
here... do we need to reward criminal activity? lets just give
child molesters keys to the daycare center instead



I agree they shouldn't get off scott-free.  That's why they'd have to pay back-taxes for all the years they've been in the country, plus a penalty.  They'd also be subject to a sort of reverse affirmative action, whereby government employers would give them least priority in hiring practices.  If they don't make their payments, they get deported.  If they've committed a felony, they get deported.


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Silversoul]
    #10639446 - 07/07/09 11:29 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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A public-private mix like what France has.  Private insurance would compete with a public option. 




germany has a similar system that also seems to work well

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I agree they shouldn't get off scott-free.  That's why they'd have to pay back-taxes for all the years they've been in the country, plus a penalty.  They'd also be subject to a sort of reverse affirmative action, whereby government employers would give them least priority in hiring practices.  If they don't make their payments, they get deported.  If they've committed a felony, they get deported.




how would one determine back taxes when many jobs are under

the table, many arent working but instead drawing government
assistance, for food stamps your immigration status isnt
reported to immigration, what about all the problems cause by
using the SSN of others, identity theft, a crime that pretty
much goes unprosecuted, according to the Social Security
administration you should write the illegals a letter and ask
them to stop using your info, of course that doesnt prevent them
from doing so and it doesnt stop them from screwing you on taxes
as well as credit, with the taxes the only criminal is you
because it's your SSN that's being used


I vote, deport them, let them come back through normal means
just like everyone else that immigrates to this country, no
favoritism just because they're already here, if they have a
child that was born here, it's a citizen so it can stay, the
parents have to go unless they want to change the laws to where
the parent have to be citizens for the child to obtain
citizenship by birth

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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #10639463 - 07/07/09 11:33 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

That's a bit heady brah...
How can we do all that without a government?
BTW, you didn't answer my question, punk.


And with that......
I'm off to drink a ridiculously strong dose of kratom.
I'll be back when responding is both too much effort, and a confusing ordeal. :snowman:

So essentially, I win. :flowstone: Sorta...


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    #10639501 - 07/07/09 11:41 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Pris:  I understand your concerns about immigration.  It's a complicated issue, but I just don't think deporting everyone is practical.  As far as the tax issue goes, I suppose we could make it a penalty based on the average income of the majority of Americans.  I think we also might want to penalize companies that have knowingly hired illegal immigrants, as they are just as culpable in this as the people they hired.


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Re: Aside from the war on drugs [Re: Silversoul]
    #10639653 - 07/08/09 12:22 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Pris:  I understand your concerns about immigration.  It's a complicated issue, but I just don't think deporting everyone is practical.




well that leaves plan B, destroy them with fire, a gallon of gas
can douse about 10 illegals, far cheaper than the fuel for the buses, I'm all for some fire

deportation isnt as difficult as it's made out to be, there's
simply very little being done in the lines of enforcement right
now, even within government agencies

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I think we also might want to penalize companies that have knowingly hired illegal immigrants, as they are just as culpable in this as the people they hired.




they already have fines from $100 to $1000 for paperwork, a max
of $10k for multiple violations per illegal, in companies like
Kellog it's written off as a cost of doing business, I suppose
of they increased the fines to start at $100k for paperwork and
$250k per illegal in the companies employ it may discourage them
from hiring as then there's no savings in labor costs

for government agencies that are aiding and abetting illegals like Family and Children's Services issuing food stamps, dock them $1million from their budgets per offense, same with drivers licenses and the IRS


with the tax issue... all that are working off the books are
suddenly only here for a year or less, others that were working
under someone elses info will drop that and pick up a new
identity, less than $500 can get it in any state, then they're
once again only short timers

we have 30 million americans out of work, and 20 million illegal
aliens, we need to start treating them like the mexican
government does illegals within it's borders, round them up,
process them and ship them home as opposed to locking them up

there's a simple fix to the high unemployment rate, seems obama
doesnt want to look at that option, nor does any republican or
the libertarians... they all seem to see a 'fast track to citizenship'

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