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dear marlboro,
    #10635090 - 07/07/09 10:41 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

fuck you.
your cigarettes do not know how to stay lit properly anymore.
eat shit and die.

sincerely,
prismismismismismismismism


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: prismism]
    #10635093 - 07/07/09 10:42 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Fuck FSC i want *

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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Noc_Rochee]
    #10635112 - 07/07/09 10:47 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

they did start putting those 2-3 rings in the cigarette to stop it from burning... so drunk people dont fall asleep and burn their house down.

that could be it...?


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #10635128 - 07/07/09 10:49 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Marlboro cigarettes are gross anyway.


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: prismism]
    #10635152 - 07/07/09 10:55 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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prismism said:
fuck you.
your cigarettes do not know how to stay lit properly anymore.
eat shit and die.







what the fuck, marb. my cancer sticks just got even LAME-er


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: upinthetrees]
    #10635163 - 07/07/09 10:58 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Cancer is not cool.
Neither are cigarettes.


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Morgenstern]
    #10635167 - 07/07/09 11:00 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I know but the smooth 100's taste like junior mints!I'm young I can smoke for awhile


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: prismism]
    #10635179 - 07/07/09 11:03 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

And furthermore, why is the first FSC ring right at the tip of your smoke?  Like you're going to light the fucker and immediately pass out :confused:

Same with the last one towards the butt.  It would have gone out anyway :crankey:


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Morgenstern]
    #10635182 - 07/07/09 11:03 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Mataspore said:
Cancer is not cool.
Neither are cigarettes.




youre only cool if you smoke. errbody knows that.


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: upinthetrees]
    #10635184 - 07/07/09 11:03 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Thats a good thing OP!


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: prismism]
    #10635202 - 07/07/09 11:06 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, addiction is where it's at.  Hopefully we can make the addiction movement very strong by the early '10s of this century.


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Coffee]
    #10635206 - 07/07/09 11:07 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

cigarettes are so fucking stupid ahahahaha u guys r such tools
if ur going to fuck up ur body and get cancer might as well get high from it
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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Morgenstern]
    #10635207 - 07/07/09 11:07 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Mataspore said:
Cancer is not cool.





dont knock it until you've tried it :cranky:

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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #10635214 - 07/07/09 11:10 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

This video should explain it all.




Its not the nicotine that kills! Its the SmooOOke the SmOOOooOKe!


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Coaster]
    #10635219 - 07/07/09 11:10 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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cigarettes are so fucking stupid ahahahaha u guys r such tools
if ur going to fuck up ur body and get cancer might as well get high from it
:kingcrankey:




That's pretty judgmental from an e-tard and heavy ketamine user.


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Your Destination]
    #10635229 - 07/07/09 11:12 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

lol im jus sayin mite as welllllll get highhhhhhhh :voila:


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Your Destination]
    #10635257 - 07/07/09 11:19 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

in ny all cigarettes are fsc now not just marbs because some stupid law packs are like eight seventy in some places here to

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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Coaster]
    #10635260 - 07/07/09 11:20 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Cigerretes suck for the most part.  I am not a cig smoker, i think they are only good when im very drunk or on a hefty dose of opiates or on cocaine/amp.


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Noc_Rochee]
    #10635268 - 07/07/09 11:21 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

$ 10 up here in the great white (freezing cold :mad2:) north.


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Your Destination]
    #10635290 - 07/07/09 11:25 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I like cigarettes.  They are smooth and tasty and help me relax.  Just because the anti-smoking people have gotten in all of your heads, doesn't mean they are going to kill you when you are 50.

You guys will believe anything :nonono:


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Your Destination]
    #10635294 - 07/07/09 11:25 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

there are so much additives and toxic chemicals they add to cigs
buy some organic tobacco if u want to smoke to get cancer without getting high


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Noc_Rochee]
    #10635301 - 07/07/09 11:27 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Coaster]
    #10635302 - 07/07/09 11:27 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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cortezthekiller said:
I like cigarettes.  They are smooth and tasty and help me relax.  Just because the anti-smoking people have gotten in all of your heads, doesn't mean they are going to kill you when you are 50.

You guys will believe anything :nonono:




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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Noc_Rochee]
    #10635304 - 07/07/09 11:27 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Coaster]
    #10635308 - 07/07/09 11:28 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Coaster said:
cigarettes are so fucking stupid ahahahaha u guys r such tools
if ur going to fuck up ur body and get cancer might as well get high from it
:kingcrankey:





That's why some smokers started dipping.

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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: cortex]
    #10635317 - 07/07/09 11:30 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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I like cigarettes.  They are smooth and tasty and help me relax.  Just because the anti-smoking people have gotten in all of your heads, doesn't mean they are going to kill you when you are 50.

You guys will believe anything :nonono:




my great aunt and her husband drank and smoked all their lives,
they lived to be 101 and 99 respectively, both very functioning
people even at those advanced ages

there actually are medical benefits to smoking

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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: cortex]
    #10635319 - 07/07/09 11:30 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

hahaha dammit Coaster fuck your better camera that's what my shit looks like when i look at it under a microscope though

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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: metalmorph]
    #10635322 - 07/07/09 11:31 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

People have been smoking tobacco for hundreds (maybe thousands) of years.  It's fine.


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Noc_Rochee]
    #10635325 - 07/07/09 11:32 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

lol the funny thing is my camera is 4 years old
they dont even make 5mp cameras anymore :lol:


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #10635331 - 07/07/09 11:33 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Cigerretes suck for the most part.  I am not a cig smoker, i think they are only good when im very drunk or on a hefty dose of opiates or on cocaine/amp.



Exactly. They are pretty useless when sober, but when I'm on anything heavier than green I'm all over the cigs. Alcohol and MDMA is the best for cigs though imo.


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Noc_Rochee]
    #10635336 - 07/07/09 11:34 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

hah i have a dslr i just cant get close to shit all i have is a telephoto lens

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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Coaster]
    #10635339 - 07/07/09 11:34 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

cigarettes are horrible. smoked for years and finally quit b/c the fsc made it more like work and they changed the taste of em (also tryna be more active an it was def a strain to be breathin'). *deep breath* ahhhh feel so much better. been about 2 months now. :rockon:


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Morgenstern]
    #10635354 - 07/07/09 11:37 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Mataspore said:
This video should explain it all.




Its not the nicotine that kills! Its the SmooOOke the SmOOOooOKe!



That was awesome!

Oh and fuck people fucking with ciggs. America the free? Nope. Everyone is gettin scoped out by the cops with their rolled ciggs now in bars lol. It's super funny.

:awebig:


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Kada]
    #10635421 - 07/07/09 11:49 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Glad my state hasn't done the FSC thing yet, I'm sure it's just a matter of time till we have them.

I use to love cigs, I hate smoking now, tried to quit so many times and I don't last a day. It truly is my weakness. Only thing I've ever had an real addiction to. It sucks, very nasty habit. *lights up cigarette*


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: cortex]
    #10636036 - 07/07/09 01:56 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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cortezthekiller said:
People have been smoking tobacco for hundreds (maybe thousands) of years.  It's fine.




This I agree with.

On studying the medcine men of South America, and how they'd use tobacco as part of their pharmacy, I began to wonder what is it that causes the damage in cigarette smoke.

Mostly it's down to commercial phosphorous fertilizer, which is slightly radioactive.

I bought some organic baccy recently, smells lovely, can't take more than a few puffs without the nicotine spinning me out though.


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #10636343 - 07/07/09 02:55 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Like the american spirit kind?


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Jeffedelic]
    #10636507 - 07/07/09 03:15 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Cognitive_Shift said:
Cigerretes suck for the most part.  I am not a cig smoker, i think they are only good when im very drunk or on a hefty dose of opiates or on cocaine/amp.



Exactly. They are pretty useless when sober, but when I'm on anything heavier than green I'm all over the cigs. Alcohol and MDMA is the best for cigs though imo.



Pretty useless sober until they get ya hooked. Don't worry, it will happen.

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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: prismism]
    #10636634 - 07/07/09 03:31 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I agree.. they added the fire safety rings here in Idaho also and the fuckers go out ALL the time.

It makes you smoke FASTER just to keep the fuckin cherry lit.

I used to smoke slowly and enjoy it... now its like PUFF PUFF PUFF before it goes out just to get my fix.. fucking pricks, they were bad enough for my health beforehand.


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Deity208]
    #10639006 - 07/07/09 10:18 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Organic Spirits are the way to go. 

No additives.  No radioactive isotopes.  Superior flavor.  Burn more than 2x as long as any other.  And they're all expensive now anyway.

(Sure you can roll, but rolling is more addictive than anything and rolling tobacco just went up about 300% in price!  Plus, I like having a filter.)

AND, the Spirit FSC's use a "natural starch" for their three rings and they still stay lit fine(mostly) and taste pretty much the same. 


I started the thread on EVA FSC's a few weeks ago but I'm still not certain about the validity of the EVA claim.

And regarding cancer, check out this link and feel free to do your own research on calcium phosphate fertilizer's contribution of radioactive isotopes to tobacco grown with this type of (non-organic) fertilizer.  Again - Organic Spirits (or organic rolling tobacco) are the way to go.

I only smoke one or two a day at most and enjoy increased testosterone and other satisfying benefits.  Haha!


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Viveka]
    #10639123 - 07/07/09 10:35 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Hahaa:
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Viveka said:


(Don't smoke)




ive picked up smoking again, but now im smoking american spirits.:thumbup: the shitty thing is i dropped em while getting out of this girls car yesterday.

got a semi old pack of 27s though.


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: thoughts]
    #10639161 - 07/07/09 10:41 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Those 27's are gonna taste like bitter ass-filth if you've been smoking Spirits for a while.

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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Viveka]
    #10639210 - 07/07/09 10:49 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

ha really?
yea im suprised how only very few ppl i know smoke spirits.

one thing i noticed tho is they seemed to have left more mucus/shit in my lungs.


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: thoughts]
    #10639227 - 07/07/09 10:53 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

They fucking stink worse too.


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #10639237 - 07/07/09 10:55 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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cortezthekiller said:
People have been smoking tobacco for hundreds (maybe thousands) of years.  It's fine.




This I agree with.

On studying the medcine men of South America, and how they'd use tobacco as part of their pharmacy




it was a huge part of injun culture for the US as well, one of
the most traded and gifted items, while a lot of people believed
that injuns smoked weed out of the peace pipes it was in fact
tobacco, there were even competitions on who could smoke the most

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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: thoughts]
    #10639241 - 07/07/09 10:56 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Spirits have left more shit in your lungs?

Well, if you're smoking the same amount of Spirits as you would Marbs then yeah, you're getting more tar.  But that's because Spirits are more than twice as dense than Marbs.

Yeah, I don't know why more people don't smoke the Organic Spirits.  Then again I don't know why people drink soft drinks and eat shitty food all day and drink crappy beer. 

A few year ago Spirits were quite a bit more expensive but any more that's not really the case.  If more people were aware of the Commercial vs. Organic fertilizer thing maybe they'd think harder about it.

Also, I think standard cigs are more addictive because of the additives and heavy sugar curing and all that.  I know when I've smoked camels or something in the past I always smoked more.  Plus they aren't as satisfying as  nice dense, slow burning Spirit.

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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: jewunit]
    #10639256 - 07/07/09 10:58 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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They fucking stink worse too.




They stink better!

If you think it's worse it's because your idea of what tobacco should smell like has been informed by additive laced bullshit tobacco.  Once you get used to cleaner tobacco, normal cigs smell like shit.

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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Coaster]
    #10639263 - 07/07/09 11:00 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Coaster said:
cigarettes are so fucking stupid ahahahaha u guys r such tools
if ur going to fuck up ur body and get cancer might as well get high from it
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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Viveka]
    #10639285 - 07/07/09 11:04 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Wait because what I'm used to smells better in my perception than what I'm not used to means I'm essentially wrong?
How come that line of thinking doesn't apply to you?
I think Spirits have a much stronger smell that sticks to clothes easier. They smell the same as normal cigarettes, just more potent. Neither smell good.

I think Spirits leave more shit in my lungs and are harsher on my throat. I'm sure you'll say it's because I'm used to "normal" cigarettes. I also hate the way they smoke. Not too bad if I roll 'em around a bit, but I don't care if my cigarette burns slow or not. Shit, more than half the time it's fucking winter so the faster the better. I feel like they're a chore to smoke right out of the pack, whereas Camels (what I normally smoked) just needed a light pack. No other fucking around, no biting filters off, none of that shit.

It's cool they're organic and additive free, but I don't find either of those reasons good enough to smoke them over what I think are negatives. That's fine if you like them, I'm just tired of American Spirit smokers giving me this "holier than thou" attitude that you seem to be giving off. They are fucking cigarettes after all.


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: prismism]
    #10639365 - 07/07/09 11:16 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Never heard of this FSC business.. someone explain!

Smoke time. :cigarette:

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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: jewunit]
    #10639426 - 07/07/09 11:26 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Wait because what I'm used to smells better in my perception than what I'm not used to means I'm essentially wrong?



Well, if your opinion is that adulterated tobacco smells better than non-adulterated tobacco, I can't really say you're wrong since it's, like, your opinion man. 

Additionally, I assert that the smell of clean tobacco is superior to that of tobacco treated with nearly 600 additives including ammonia, "smoke flavor", urea, vinegar and skatole(which occurs naturally in feces) to name some of the more colloquial ones. 

I think the smell of clean tobacco has a better aesthetic value.  Similarly, I think the art of Van Gogh is superior, more natural and of a higher aesthetic value than that of Jackson Pollock, whose art to me is a low quality, randomly thrown together mishmash of uncomplimentary elements (not unlike a standard commercial cigarette) and I will assert this as fact. 

Should we launch into a debate on whether or not aesthetic value is an arbitrary concept substantiated only by personal perception and individual social programming?

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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Viveka]
    #10639443 - 07/07/09 11:29 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I think it could go into a debate similar to pop music being good or not. Depends on what you like. Now that band from the elementary school down the road? That's just objectively bad.

That wasn't my point though. My point was they both smell like shit but Spirits are more pungent.


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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Mykologist]
    #10639470 - 07/07/09 11:34 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

    Quote:
    Coaster said:
    cigarettes are so fucking stupid ahahahaha u guys r such tools
    if ur going to fuck up ur body and get cancer might as well get high from it
    :kingcrankey:


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Myk




Really?  Or is it perhaps an individual like Coaster, who cannot enjoy a day without getting "high" from something, who is the actual tool?

I got my fill of regular pot smoking between the ages of 15 and 25.  One of the reasons I smoke a cigarette and not pot is precisely because I do not want to get "high" but still enjoy the ritual of smoking.

Furthermore, smoking tobacco does trigger a cascade of chemical reactions that could be considered a "high", albeit one that does not destroy the ability to coherently connect consecutive thoughts or leave the user feeling burnt out for the rest of the day once the buzz wears off.

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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: jewunit]
    #10639570 - 07/07/09 11:57 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

If I had never come to enjoy smoking, I would probably argue they both smell like shit.  But I do enjoy an additive free smoke.  People have enjoyed good tobacco for a long, long time. 

Maybe it's the compounds released in burning tobacco that are similar to those native in the human body that causes people to somehow enjoy this burning plant.  We're all related I guess, plant and animal.

But hey, I think I have a solid case that a marlboro smells, literally, more like shit than a Spirit, considering that skatole is deliberately added to the Marlboro!

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Re: dear marlboro, [Re: Viveka]
    #10639631 - 07/08/09 12:18 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Viveka said:
Quote:

    Quote:
    Coaster said:
    cigarettes are so fucking stupid ahahahaha u guys r such tools
    if ur going to fuck up ur body and get cancer might as well get high from it
    :kingcrankey:


:werd:
Marijuana smoke is much smoother and better-tasting. If you're gunna smoke tobacco, at least smoke a pipe.  :strokebeard: that makes you look smartz
Myk




Really?  Or is it perhaps an individual like Coaster, who cannot enjoy a day without getting "high" from something, who is the actual tool?

I got my fill of regular pot smoking between the ages of 15 and 25.  One of the reasons I smoke a cigarette and not pot is precisely because I do not want to get "high" but still enjoy the ritual of smoking.

Furthermore, smoking tobacco does trigger a cascade of chemical reactions that could be considered a "high", albeit one that does not destroy the ability to coherently connect consecutive thoughts or leave the user feeling burnt out for the rest of the day once the buzz wears off.



  Smoking a pipe is a method of "enjoying the rituals of smoking." It's truly a matter of preference whether or not someone enjoys inhaling the smoke. Sure, smoking a pipe has similar health risks to cigarettes, but pipe smoke is one of the healthiest forms of taking nicotine. Smoking a pipe can deliver a strong buzz as well.
  I disagree that Coaster, or anyone who smokes weed, is a tool simply because they enjoy their drug. Even smoking cigarettes doesn't necessarily tool someone out. The only way to justify whether or not someone is a tool is their intention for smoking. Are they smoking because they fall victim to the influences of society, believing "smoking is cool," or do they genuinely enjoy smoking tobacco/marijuana for the effects? Is it their own independent decision, or are they swayed by other influences...
  Tobacco surely gives a good buzz, but it really only improves concentration, kills anxiety, etc. It's not as mind-expanding as weed. The effects are different, so it's unfair to justify one as a high and the other as not. They both create effects some users may find desirable under certain conditions.
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