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5 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee
    #10629129 - 07/06/09 09:59 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I have 8 pints of GT in the form of WBS as well as a few pf cakes I will be spawning to coir/coffee. I started this thread with the hopes of getting input, suggestions, critisizms, comments etc! I plan to document and update this thread as the project progresses thru harvest.

I plan to use this tek for my monotub (std 56qt sterlite)

1 brick of coco coir or bead a beast from pets mart.
1 quart spent coffee
1 quart vermiculite
1 cup of gypsum
4qts colonized spawn

my first question is,
does the coffe have to be spent or is brand new ok?





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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10629161 - 07/06/09 10:08 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

You want spent coffee grounds.  Your substrate sounds good.  I like to have a little more coir and only have coffee grounds make up about %20 of the total volume of my substrate, but that's just a personal preference. 

That isn't instant coffee is it?

The only other thing is that you should just eyeball it instead of measuring.  Best of luck with your project. :thumbup: ~Pixie~


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Psuper]
    #10629181 - 07/06/09 10:12 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

How deep will your substrate be once the jars are spawned to it?  A 1:1 spawn ratio works, but if your substrate isn't a few inches thick you need to add more for a monotub.


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Psuper]
    #10629193 - 07/06/09 10:13 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Thats funny that you ask because the first can I picked up at the store was instant and I would have been so pissed if I had gotten home and realized it was instant! I guess I'm gonna make some coffee now :eek:

a little more on the coir and a little less coffee will do! thanks!

what level and method (or if at all..) of pasteurization would you recommend for the substrate?


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10629211 - 07/06/09 10:17 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

It's easy to get coffee grounds from a restaurant or coffee shop. :thumbup:

For a whole brick, I'd like to use at least 6 quarts. Four will work, though.


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Doc_T]
    #10629236 - 07/06/09 10:22 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

A whole brick??
Damn, I guess some coir expands more than others.
bricks last a couple tubs, but i guess yours doesn't.

I would suggest a low spawn ratio, unless you are patient :thumbup:


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: RonPaulVerm]
    #10629326 - 07/06/09 10:39 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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what level and method (or if at all..) of pasteurization would you recommend for the substrate?




check my sig 4 pasteurazation tek w/coir.


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: RonPaulVerm]
    #10629339 - 07/06/09 10:41 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I can suppliment another two 1/2 pint brf cakes crumbled into the mix as well if you recommend using more spawn, I do have these other 2 pints of wbs but they are not completley colonized due to being a little too moist, i just shook them up this is what they look like now.....



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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10629436 - 07/06/09 10:59 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Pasteurize in hot water and a cooler. It will keep the temperature up. Fil up the cooler with boiling water and submerge your jars best you can. Put something on top of the lid because the jars will want to push it open.
It's time consuming (leave them for at least 6 hrs), low budget and kind of a gamble, but it hasn't failed me.


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: RonPaulVerm]
    #10632576 - 07/06/09 08:49 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

ron paul I prolly would pasteurize it all together in a big pot rather than jar it up I thinks....


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: RonPaulVerm]
    #10632591 - 07/06/09 08:53 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

ron paul I prolly would pasteurize it all together in a big pot rather than jar it up I thinks....


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10632979 - 07/06/09 10:10 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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For a whole brick, I'd like to use at least 6 quarts. Four will work, though.




You use 6 qts of coffee per brick of coir? Krikey, that's almost a 1:1 ratio. Coir bricks are approximately 8 qts right?

Or were you talking about spawn? I'm guessing I misinterpreted that, and you're prolly talking about spawn.


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #10634452 - 07/07/09 07:30 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

yes he was speaking of spawn :wink:


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10646263 - 07/09/09 08:32 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

spawning today!!!!    im wondering whats going to be the best method of pasteurization, should I mix everything together then simply hold it around 160 for 2hrs??


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10646268 - 07/09/09 08:35 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Follow the standard coir prep tek.


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Doc_T]
    #10646275 - 07/09/09 08:39 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I cannot find a coir tek here either in the bulk sub or grain spawn section!


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10646283 - 07/09/09 08:43 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Did you go to the search page, enter 'coir prep tek', then click the TC and 1per boxes?

'Cause that led me to this:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8389228#8389228

That, or a variant of it, is how most of us prep coir.


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Doc_T]
    #10646289 - 07/09/09 08:44 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:sweet! maybe we should add this to the teks so people can easily find it and coir/coffee seems to be popular enough..


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10646342 - 07/09/09 09:00 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

well now my prob is that my coffee isint used and I dont have any coffee filters hahaha, I have a french press I guess I could brew it once........ feck! I was all ready!


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10646368 - 07/09/09 09:07 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Ok to leave out the coffee.
Or get a bag from any coffee shop or restaurant for free. :thumbup:


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Doc_T]
    #10646376 - 07/09/09 09:10 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

yeah I just called the restaraunt at the top of my street and she said they put their grounds directly in the garbage.... will I have lesser yields and performance without the coffee? I could just wait another day? thanks for all your help doc much appreciated!


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10646385 - 07/09/09 09:12 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I always use a quart of spent Starbucks coffee grounds (they're free) and a quart of verm to a brick of coir. Sometimes I'll throw in a tablespoon of quick lime if the pH goes too low from certain batches of coffee grounds. 2 quarts of spawn usually takes about 2 weeks to get to the point where I like to case it (completely white). After casing in a tub, I give it a good blast of fresh air from a small box fan to lower the RH. After that, I just forget about the tub until I start seeing shadows of mushies growing inside.


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: HighHat]
    #10646399 - 07/09/09 09:17 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

on my way to starbucks now to pick some up!!!!!


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10646645 - 07/09/09 10:31 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

score!

its huge!

how can I keep used coffee grounds fresh?





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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10646746 - 07/09/09 10:57 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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how can I keep used coffee grounds fresh?




I can mine. All you need is a pressure cooker, and some jars and lids.


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10646774 - 07/09/09 11:06 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

i cant believe how big that coir got, i dont think im going to have enough room in this stock pot to mix in the verm and coffee, i may use a sterlite fruiting chamber container to mix it all up then put it back in the stock pot for pasteurization think thats a bad idea?







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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10646796 - 07/09/09 11:09 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

not a bad idea just wipe down the container first


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: ArcanePerception]
    #10646810 - 07/09/09 11:12 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I put the coffee and verm into the water before the coir- and I still don't have room to mix it.
I've thought about dumping it out into my pressure cooker pot, but a big Sterilite would be better. :thumbup:


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Doc_T]
    #10646871 - 07/09/09 11:23 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

everything except one cup of gypsum is mixed together in the sterlite box, its only at 120 degrees now in the container, once i stir in the gypsum i bet itll drop another ten im wondering how im gonna get it all back into the stockpot for temp increase.....







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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10646898 - 07/09/09 11:29 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

should I resist the temptation to add more water? field capacity is when just a very very light stream of water will come out when squeezed right?


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10646939 - 07/09/09 11:37 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

dude, the coir prep in my sig has step by step pics and all, if the link doesnt work search Large_dose pastuerize coir prep. 

I bought a large pot to mix all my sub in and pasteurize it all together.  meijers or target or wally world has em 4 $10.

I get like 8 bags of spent starbucks @ a time and put them in my freezer as soon as I get home and thaw a day or two ahead of time. when I need it put it in the fridge to thaw.  since its free dont save little amounts it will more than likely mold.

you can always add more hot water to pasteurize, the thing is you then have to bring it back to field capacity. which can get messy if your not carefull.

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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10646986 - 07/09/09 11:44 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

resist too dry is much better than too wet. Maybe adjust next time.


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: ArcanePerception]
    #10647074 - 07/09/09 12:02 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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how can I keep used coffee grounds fresh?




I just put mine in gallon ziplock bags and store em in a plastic tub.

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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #10647286 - 07/09/09 12:49 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

all done just wait for it to cool!!!

when the sub is cool should i just throw it in the container with a garbage bag liner and simply stir in the spawn or layer it or what?





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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10647310 - 07/09/09 12:55 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

RR says it's better to layer. It's certainly easier, whatever else might be true.


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Doc_T]
    #10647408 - 07/09/09 01:18 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

excellent! any suggestions for a layering method?


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Doc_T]
    #10647410 - 07/09/09 01:18 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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RR says it's better to layer. It's certainly easier, whatever else might be true.




Can you quote him on that?

I'm pretty sure the opposite is true.

Mixing it in provides the highest amount of inoculation points which allows the mycelium to take over the substrate faster, preventing a contam from getting a hold.

Most importantly though is to reserve a bit of substrate to put on the very top as to keep any grains from being exposed.


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #10647580 - 07/09/09 01:44 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Here's one quote:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10310429#10310429
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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Doc_T]
    #10647710 - 07/09/09 02:06 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Interesting. I thought I've read him say the opposite before.

Commercial growers use a mixing technique also which leads me to believe it is the best way. I'm curious as to why RR believes layering is better.

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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #10647950 - 07/09/09 02:53 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

layering is better for straw and wood substrates when using coir just mixem and put a pure layer of sub on top to cover spawn.  exsposed spawn is a high risk for contams.

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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: 13shrooms]
    #10648051 - 07/09/09 03:12 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

RR also says layering means you dont have to touch the grain which reduces the risk of breaking open the kernels and releasing bacteria. :wink:

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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: 13shrooms]
    #10648071 - 07/09/09 03:17 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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*If you spawn in layers, the spawn layer recovers very fast which then makes it resistant to contaminants as it
colonizes the layers of manure. BETTER LAYERING BULK




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*It seems to make sense that mixing would give faster colonization, but my experience is the opposite. By
layering, the mycelium on the grains recovers and knits together, and then rapidly takes off and colonizes the
rest of the substrate. In addition, since mixing 'can' damage the kernels, and a broken kernel is a prime site for
contaminant spores to germinate, layering has the added benefit of less trauma to the spawn medium.
LAYERING VS MIXING CASING




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*I strongly recommend against leaving any grains on top of a substrate, exposed to air. If the grains dry out and
the mushroom mycelium weakens, they become the perfect place for molds to start. Many growers get away
with it, but the contamination rate will be higher over time. Grains should be covered with at least a very light
layer of substrate, imo. LAYERING CASING




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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: ShroomWhore]
    #10648073 - 07/09/09 03:18 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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risk of breaking open the kernels and releasing bacteria. 




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if u PC'd your grains and pasteurized your substrate properly no harmful bacteria or other contams should be present unless you introduced them.:shrug:


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: 13shrooms]
    #10648146 - 07/09/09 03:37 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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risk of breaking open the kernels and releasing bacteria. 




:shrug:

if u PC'd your grains and pasteurized your substrate properly no harmful bacteria or other contams should be present unless you introduced them.:shrug:




From what I understand all mold spores get killed.  However, certain bacteria make endospores which can survive high temperatures.  Here's a link with some information:
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    #10649593 - 07/09/09 08:19 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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    #10649650 - 07/09/09 08:30 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

ok you fans of layering whats your tek? thick layer of sub at bottom then layer the body, then cover all kernels on top?


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10649668 - 07/09/09 08:34 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I do little layers. Half inch of sub, cover w/ grain, repeat. Finish with a light layer of substrate.
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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Doc_T]
    #10649687 - 07/09/09 08:38 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

ok cool, I think I'll also be crumbling a few pf cakes in the mix to give the spawn ratio a bit of a boost :thumbup:


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10649709 - 07/09/09 08:42 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Good idea- did you dunk them?


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: 13shrooms]
    #10650532 - 07/09/09 11:23 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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risk of breaking open the kernels and releasing bacteria. 




:shrug:

if u PC'd your grains and pasteurized your substrate properly no harmful bacteria or other contams should be present unless you introduced them.:shrug:




I think what he was saying is grains on top make an easy target for introduced contams. Contams will be introduced its not like you can have a sterile spawning tek without a clean room. if a grain on top gets too dry for myc other contams could get a foothold


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Doc_T]
    #10651618 - 07/10/09 07:04 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

well I was waiting to dunk some other cakes untill I had my PC and or my stockpot free for the dunk. I guess I wasnt planning on dunking them for the monotub but now that I think about it I dont know why I wouldnt! I have a shitload of cakes ready to dunk check it out... I just have to find a vessel not in use and I will dunk from 10am till about 6pm and prepare the monotub later as well as birth the myriad of other cakes into the fc. do you think 8-10hrs is too short of a dunk?

heres the 5 quarts ill be using, its about half wbs half pf cakes..





I also have all these jars to do something with in addition to the jars to be used for this monotub! I dont know what to do with them I might just dunk and roll em.



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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10651966 - 07/10/09 09:53 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

5 quarts is perfect for your 56 quart monotub.


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    #10655166 - 07/10/09 10:02 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I submerged the cakes at about ten this morning (14 hours ago) I wanna go to sleep and prepare the monotub in the morning, if the cakes are left submerged in the fridge underwater for 24 hours is that too long????


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10655174 - 07/10/09 10:03 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

It's great. Dunk, sleep, spawn. :yesnod:


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Doc_T]
    #10655195 - 07/10/09 10:10 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

awesome im stoked, the substrate has been sitting in those 2 vessels it cooled in since I prepared it the day before yesterday, one is my pc so its sealed and the other is a stockpot but I put plastic wrap over the top so the moisture wouldnt leak out, shouldnt be any problem with storing that for 2 days since I've prepared it I hope! I just hope I dont loose all this work to contams I am concerned about how to properly prepare the fc as well as the black plastic bag, layering the sub+spawn then trimming the bag without introducing contams... but the thing is going to be open to the air the whole preparation time....


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10657302 - 07/11/09 10:20 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Okay so today was D day,

first I drilled holes and put my black plastic bag liner (turned inside out) in the monotub.




next I took the pf cakes i was going to use to boost the spawn ratio and crumbled them in individual plastic baggies




then I preceeded to layer the spawn with the substrate, only ended up with about a pint of sub left so I think I did pretty good!
also inserted polyfill at this time...



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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10657320 - 07/11/09 10:27 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Let them colonize for about a week without any FAE.

Then turn on the ceiling fan in the room that the tubs are in.

If this is not possible due to circumstance then just make sure there is steady air exchange in the enclosed area where the tubs are placed.

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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: LightShedder]
    #10660961 - 07/11/09 10:48 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I would recommend taping over polyfil holes during colonization. Then, plugging with polyfil when you want to initiate pinning.


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #10661169 - 07/11/09 11:56 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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I would recommend taping over polyfil holes during colonization. Then, plugging with polyfil when you want to initiate pinning.


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: 13shrooms]
    #10662072 - 07/12/09 09:03 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

yeah??? hmm.... i misted a few layers cuz the sub on top bad been dried out a little bit but by the time i got to the bottom it was plenty moist, im hoping this misting didnt create too humid/wet of a situation, i was thinking if I did do that, maybe leaving the polyfill in there might compensate for this.... as of now you cant even see in the fc due to the moisture on the sides of the bin :wink:


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10663016 - 07/12/09 12:59 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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maybe leaving the polyfill in there might compensate for this.... as of now you cant even see in the fc due to the moisture on the sides of the bin :wink:




The problem is that CO2 buildup is beneficial during mycelial colonization. With polyfil in there, you are losing some of that CO2 due to fresh air being exchanged. So as it very well may work out fine, it isn't optimal and will colonize slower than if the holes were plugged.


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    #10663763 - 07/12/09 03:31 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

If CO2 buildup is beneficial during mycelial colonization then why dont my jars ever colonize if I completley tape up all the holes?


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    #10663985 - 07/12/09 04:16 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

They still need gas exchange.
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    #10665278 - 07/12/09 07:45 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

okay I will plug all but one hole I think... when should I unplug and replace with polyfill?


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    #10665762 - 07/12/09 08:59 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

When it is ready to fruit- 7-10 days, probably.


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    #10668589 - 07/13/09 11:32 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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okay I will plug all but one hole I think... when should I unplug and replace with polyfill?




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If CO2 buildup is beneficial during mycelial colonization then why dont my jars ever colonize if I completley tape up all the holes?





the amount of air trapped in a jar is alot less than in a tub thats been sealed for gas exchange.  I wrap my monos in plastic wrap untill fully colonized then when done unwrap and stuff holes with polyfill.  makes for a nice pin set.


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    #10676458 - 07/14/09 04:57 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

mycelium breaking surface :-D


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mycelium is 60% or more covering the surface, should I induce fruiting conditions once the sueface is 100% or maybe even a few days after that?


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10686638 - 07/16/09 06:09 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I fruit CCV a little early- 80/90% colonized.


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    #10688058 - 07/16/09 01:12 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

it depends on how much patience you have, I wait a day or 2 after %100.

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    #10689071 - 07/16/09 04:43 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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    #10693271 - 07/17/09 10:11 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

All I need to do at this point to induce fruiting is replace the covered holes with polyfill for more fae right?


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10693604 - 07/17/09 11:32 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

are you taking the lid off to take pics???:eek:

if you are its already getting FAE and wont fully colonize anyway.  FAE is a major pinning trigger once the sub is fully colonized but if its not colonized fully it will give you random pins and 1 long flush do to pinning triggers being introduced at wrong times.

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    #10693658 - 07/17/09 11:41 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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    #10693752 - 07/17/09 12:02 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

its bout 95%+ today

there are some very small water droplets on the surface throughout

it looks beautiful!!!!!!

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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10696401 - 07/17/09 08:03 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Is that a casing layer or a substrate?

If it's a casing layer, then you should patch and induce fruiting.

If you aren't casing then you want to wait a bit more like they said.

Also, if you crumple a sheet of foil and place it down near the surface of the substrate, then you don't have to worry so much about opening it up and taking pics. The foil will create CO2 buildup which will keep the mycelium in vegetative growth.


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #10698346 - 07/18/09 07:36 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

yeah but you cant take a picture thru foil :wink: its just about 100% today, I think I will wait one or two more days before unplugging the 3 plugged holes to ensure full colonization and strength throughout the sub! thanks again so much for all your input and I hope this thread is informational or helpful to someone!


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Doc_T]
    #10703281 - 07/19/09 10:33 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

100% colonization achieved, holes replaced with polyfill!






theres a lot of water droplets on the surface is this going to harm or disrupt anything?


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10703357 - 07/19/09 10:55 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I have droplets like that all the time, no big deal. They'll evap in a day or so. Maybe less.


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Doc_T]
    #10704454 - 07/19/09 03:02 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: ArcanePerception]
    #10721551 - 07/22/09 03:32 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

no pinning yet, and the water droplets have actually gotten worse, the whole surface is covered, will this damper any performance?


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10721695 - 07/22/09 04:12 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

you could try to loosen up your pollyfill or fan your tub.


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: ArcanePerception]
    #10728423 - 07/23/09 05:54 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

its been almost 5 days since 100% colonization and polyfill replacement, should I have noticed pinning already?


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10728666 - 07/23/09 06:42 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe, maybe not. Nothing to worry about yet.


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    #10728785 - 07/23/09 07:01 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

ok that makes me feel a lil better, there is a lot of water on the surface


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10729206 - 07/23/09 08:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

fan it more,
your sub needs to feel that it has to reproduce to make fruits and the moisture level dropping will trigger that(if all your other conditions are right).

if it stays to moist(wet) it will continue to feed until conditions are right.  like a big cake in a fruiting chamber, you mist to replace moisture, if your moisture is just sitting there(little puddles) it wont trigger your myc to pin.


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: 13shrooms]
    #10732866 - 07/24/09 01:02 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

ok thanks 13 i been fanning it a few times a day and loosened the polyfil, the water dosent seem to be going away, i can tell the sub has shrunk a little too


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10733157 - 07/24/09 01:53 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

if you cant get the water to evaporate off then you need to remove it some how.

if you trust your paper towels are steril then you can lighty pat up the water or I would very carefully tip my tub on end so the water runs to one side and use a turkey baster to suck out the water or put a small drain hole in the bottom and tip your tub to drain then put silicone in the hole to fill it closed again. 

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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: 13shrooms]
    #10737063 - 07/25/09 07:57 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I've fanned a couple times a day now for the 2nd day and it looks like the water is just getting worse.  I dont really understand whats happening here but I dont think its good... Im gonna take action today or tomorrow with paper towels unless anyone else has any other suggestions. I think it should be pinning already at least......


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10737067 - 07/25/09 07:59 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

its starting to pin but only on areas that arent covered with water


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10738101 - 07/25/09 01:29 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: 13shrooms]
    #10738623 - 07/25/09 03:55 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

When I've had problem with excessive surface water I have had plenty of success with just laying a clean paper towel down to suck it up without any noticeable contams. I also sometimes PC a small batch of very dry casing mix a sprinkle it very thinly over the effected areas. IMO this has worked the best for me.

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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: beejay]
    #10742819 - 07/26/09 11:50 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks beejay... I looked real close at it and noticed it is pinning all over! It was weird, even under water drops there were pins forming. I took a clean paper towel and soaked up a good amount of water. Upon inspection today the pins are maturing just fine it looks like, im stoked but at the same time am careful not to count my chickens before they hatch! I wonder what I can do next time to try to eliminate some of this water collection on the surface... I did mist right upon completion of the tub, I may not do that next time..... What kind of yield can I expect from this sucker?


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10746085 - 07/26/09 10:40 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

just based on my results with about the same size mono you can on the low side 2 OZs or so but Ive seen someone here on shroomery get 9 OZs in 1 flush.  so it varies pending on how perfect your conditions were.

my best so far is 6 OZs total in 2 flushes with that size. 

(all weights are dry weights)

but yeah, if you have that much water build up on your sub try not misting next time 4 sure.:thumbup:

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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: 13shrooms]
    #10772123 - 07/31/09 01:07 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: placebohigh]
    #10775249 - 07/31/09 02:59 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Yes misting will not take place next time, I drained about 2 cups worth of water out the bottom of my FC in addition to all the water that was sitting on the top.......

This thing is looking PERFECT!!!!!!!!!!

There are hundreds of pins all over......



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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10775684 - 07/31/09 04:22 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

:eek:Holy Shit Sweet Cluster Man! Nice Job!:thumbup:

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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Noobey]
    #10775774 - 07/31/09 04:41 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Wow nice job all that worry for nothing. you should definitely clone the best shroom out of that corner cluster.


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: ArcanePerception]
    #10775808 - 07/31/09 04:47 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Haha, it looks like a sea creature! Nice work man, hope you get a massive harvest!

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    #10776407 - 07/31/09 06:20 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

sick pinset!!!  hopefully mine comes out like that!  good luck!

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    #10777828 - 07/31/09 11:21 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: 13shrooms]
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    #10814630 - 08/06/09 10:19 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

slow slow slow...... picked some pretty large aborts off the sides of the cake, they were getting very waterlogged and off color so I figured I better get them out before potential rotting begins! other than that just waiting now!!


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
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Wow, nice job. :eek:


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    #10833874 - 08/10/09 03:48 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10834159 - 08/10/09 04:27 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

cant wait to see it all rise and see yield xD good luck

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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Zerolive]
    #10835294 - 08/10/09 07:26 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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    #10836095 - 08/10/09 09:31 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: 13shrooms]
    #10918869 - 08/23/09 10:38 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

dunno what happened, all my fruits are aborting pretty much all the ones i pick they caps arent open they abort when they are still pretty short... that cluster in the corner never matured theres a cluster of 30-50 pins in each corner but never got any bigger, now theres a weird smell kinda like the water in the bottom of the tub is getting a little funky, i have been draining the water out the bottom but its still moist down therre


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: RonPaulVerm]
    #10925159 - 08/24/09 08:28 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i have 2 one inch holes on each side then one at the head of the bin, making 5 holes total, all looseley stuffed with poly


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Doc_T]
    #10936053 - 08/25/09 05:43 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

kinda smells like dried up piss, wonder where i went wrong


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Doc_T]
    #10946785 - 08/27/09 06:34 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

check out what i picked today, all aborts :-(  if all these had become fully mature fruit bodies i'd be SET :-(





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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10947478 - 08/27/09 10:38 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

damn thats a powerful little collection you got there..

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    #10947930 - 08/27/09 12:07 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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they are what i call "Private Stash"





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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: 13shrooms]
    #10949067 - 08/27/09 03:25 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Doc_T]
    #10972284 - 08/31/09 12:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

well I dunno what happened, I picked off a bunch of almost rotting aborts the other day cleaned it good, and now its performing great, I have been exchanging the air more often.... WEIRD




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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10972391 - 08/31/09 12:31 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

From my limited experience and understanding, it's not uncommon for there to be an initial babies and aborts flush like this.  They are often more potent their their big brothers too.


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10972394 - 08/31/09 12:31 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

FAE. :yesnod: Yep.


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Doc_T]
    #10972464 - 08/31/09 12:47 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

man foaf ate a little over 2g the other night of very very very small pins/aborts it must have been 100 of them and it was GREAT!


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Doc_T]
    #10985124 - 09/02/09 08:38 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

foaf harvested just under a kilo wet yesterday!!!!!!!!!!!

im wondering what is the best method for removing all the left over pins and aborts off the surface of the casing? scrape them off would be easiest but I wouldnt want to damage the fruiting surface....?









that cluster grew directly out of a medium sized abort, the pins actually formed ON the abort then matured to full size, the original abort is still in the very center of all these, it was weird when it was picked it was one central stalk going deep into the myc....


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10985139 - 09/02/09 08:42 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Gorgeous!

Leave the pins, those are your future mushrooms. Aborts can be removed like any other fruit.


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Doc_T]
    #10985197 - 09/02/09 08:52 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

most of them are turning grey and beginning to rot


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10985211 - 09/02/09 08:55 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Those should be picked, yes. I use little scissors, but people freak out about it. :shrug:
Pick them like you normally pick mushrooms, I guess. They are just smaller.


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #10985233 - 09/02/09 08:58 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

tell you what those little aborts rocked someones night the other day

2g = an 8th of regular bodies it seems!


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: Doc_T]
    #11000127 - 09/04/09 05:39 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

:mad2:
well 2 months, one huge flush, and over a quarter of just pins/aborts later I had to destroy the tub today, the aborted fruits from the first attempt at a flush have been slowly getting that grey fuzz over them and beginning to rot and have green mold... I have cleaned a couple isolated places of this but today upon inspection i am finding more and more beginnings of green mold.... I cleaned all the aborts/pins off i could cuz they sure are potent! i lifted the whole sub up just to inspect, and broke it apart a bit, checked out the inside etc. and much to my dismay it seemed the damn thing was just getting going, it was def, 100% colonized and seemed very moist inside still, what i think would have been lots of resources for a 2nd and third flush.... but i got over 3oz dry out of it so I guess it was only a partial failure...... thanks very much for all your help practice does make perfect and I feel a lot more prepared for next time.


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #11000151 - 09/04/09 05:44 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

almost all my monos finish that way.:shrug:  I get 1 good flush sometimes up to 3 but all go to mold after that and its time to go.:thumbup:


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11017007 - 09/07/09 08:31 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

cant complain really, around 4oz dry...... at least a quarter of just tiny little pins too :wink:


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Re: 4 quarts of spawn to coir/verm/coffee [Re: antimatt3r]
    #11017076 - 09/07/09 08:45 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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