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mdb311
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Substrate jar looks like shit
#10619814 - 07/04/09 08:56 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just started my first run at growing. I completely overestimated the inoculation. My 12CC syringe only did 6 and a little bit of the 7th jar. I used way too much per jar I think. Mainly the first jar I used the most on and when I shook the syringe, needledown, I think about a CC came out. It was a learning experience though, I know next time to be much more light on the plunger.
My substrate looks like shit though. I think it will be tricky seeing the MYC because the sides of most of every jar is all kind of hazy. I put water in the mixing bowl so that the verm soaked it all up but wasn't wet or had extra water. Now that it's in the jar it looks like some is like smeared on the inside of the jars so it's hard to see inside of the jar now. Does anyone know what I may have done? I am assuming maybe too much water. The upper layer of verm looks dry. Just all that shit smeared on the glass is going to make visuals hard.
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Re: Substrate jar looks like shit [Re: mdb311]
#10619841 - 07/04/09 09:04 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Im not sure what you have done, but what color is the haze? Also did you pressure cook your jars?
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Re: Substrate jar looks like shit [Re: mdb311]
#10619844 - 07/04/09 09:05 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe you should post some pictures.
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Re: Substrate jar looks like shit [Re: mdb311]
#10619852 - 07/04/09 09:07 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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The book says 2 parts vermiculite, 1 part BRF and 1 part of water. What part didn't you understand?
2 cc is not too much. Could be less but it's not too much.
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Re: Substrate jar looks like shit [Re: AlexP]
#10619864 - 07/04/09 09:12 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I put the proper amount of water and the verm was still very dry so I added enough so that it would soak it all up. I actually found a thread which someone else had this same thing and it turned out okay. I guess it will just be hard to see perfectly in there. I will try and get a picture or two later. I have to find my shitty old digital camera.
It looks like it was just probably to wet. Next time I will definitely just put what the "book" says rather than soak all the water up. Good learning experience and for my first time I didn't completely fuck everything up...just a little, lol. Now, I wait.
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Re: Substrate jar looks like shit [Re: mdb311]
#10619874 - 07/04/09 09:16 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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How do you know it wasn't enough water? What do you know about it?
Good luck next time. I would start it all over.
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Re: Substrate jar looks like shit [Re: AlexP]
#10619923 - 07/04/09 09:40 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
AlexP said: How do you know it wasn't enough water? What do you know about it?
Good luck next time. I would start it all over.
Thanks for the positivity...
No way I'm starting over, it may end up fine. I did order another syringe though so in 4 days or so I will just do another batch as well.
Edited by mdb311 (07/04/09 09:41 AM)
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Re: Substrate jar looks like shit [Re: mdb311]
#10619933 - 07/04/09 09:43 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Man... Don't take me wrong but, improvising when you don't know shit about it just doesn't work. You improvise when you know a lot about the subject. When you don't you follow instructions. Improvising is opening up possibilities for mistakes. Even people who know a lot make mistakes by improvising. Some don't improvise at all or do it with the conscience it might be a failure. In that mix, 1 part BRF, 1 part water and 2 parts verm, there's no room for improvising.
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"When one creates phantoms for oneself, one puts vampires into the world, and one must nourish these children of a voluntary nightmare with one's blood, one's life, one's intelligence, and one's reason, without ever satisfying them." Eliphas Levi
"The joy of life consists in the exercise of one's energies, continual growth, constant change, the enjoyment of every new experience. To stop means simply to die. The eternal mistake of mankind is to set up an attainable ideal." Aleister Crowley
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Re: Substrate jar looks like shit [Re: AlexP]
#10622757 - 07/04/09 10:59 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, I hear ya. Every damn guide keeps telling me something different though. Most of them said put the water in until the VERM soaks it up but there is no water at the bottom of the mixing bowl. That is how I did it. What also sucked for me is that I put the exact amount it says to mix enough for 6, 1/2 pint jars and it really was only enough for like 5 jars. Thanks for the advice, my hopes aren't high but I was sterile and hope it ends up doing something for me. I will start over again next week on another batch obviously doing the exact mixing directions.
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Re: Substrate jar looks like shit [Re: mdb311]
#10622763 - 07/04/09 11:04 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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-------------------- "To feel today what one felt yesterday isn't to feel - it's to remember today what was felt yesterday, to be today's living corpse of what yesterday was lived and lost." Fernando Pessoa
"When one creates phantoms for oneself, one puts vampires into the world, and one must nourish these children of a voluntary nightmare with one's blood, one's life, one's intelligence, and one's reason, without ever satisfying them." Eliphas Levi
"The joy of life consists in the exercise of one's energies, continual growth, constant change, the enjoyment of every new experience. To stop means simply to die. The eternal mistake of mankind is to set up an attainable ideal." Aleister Crowley
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Re: Substrate jar looks like shit [Re: AlexP]
#10622788 - 07/04/09 11:11 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks AlexP for your input. I will check that video out right now.
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Re: Substrate jar looks like shit [Re: mdb311]
#10623769 - 07/05/09 08:21 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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If the humidity in your substrate is not right you want it to be drier. A substrate that is too humid will colonize very slowly giving the upper hand to contams.
-------------------- "To feel today what one felt yesterday isn't to feel - it's to remember today what was felt yesterday, to be today's living corpse of what yesterday was lived and lost." Fernando Pessoa
"When one creates phantoms for oneself, one puts vampires into the world, and one must nourish these children of a voluntary nightmare with one's blood, one's life, one's intelligence, and one's reason, without ever satisfying them." Eliphas Levi
"The joy of life consists in the exercise of one's energies, continual growth, constant change, the enjoyment of every new experience. To stop means simply to die. The eternal mistake of mankind is to set up an attainable ideal." Aleister Crowley
"The Universe is an artistic catharsis." Artifex Infinitum
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Re: Substrate jar looks like shit [Re: AlexP]
#10623840 - 07/05/09 08:48 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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easy way to test verm. once hydrated take a handfull and squeese alot of water comng out is too much. A few drips for a second is feild capacity. I like to go drier, only 1 or 2 drops when squeesed, maybe 3.
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Re: Substrate jar looks like shit [Re: veda_sticks]
#10623850 - 07/05/09 08:50 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Or none at all. That's how I'm going. I use the 1/1/2 and my verm is very fine so it absorbs a lot of water. No water drops when squeezed.
-------------------- "To feel today what one felt yesterday isn't to feel - it's to remember today what was felt yesterday, to be today's living corpse of what yesterday was lived and lost." Fernando Pessoa
"When one creates phantoms for oneself, one puts vampires into the world, and one must nourish these children of a voluntary nightmare with one's blood, one's life, one's intelligence, and one's reason, without ever satisfying them." Eliphas Levi
"The joy of life consists in the exercise of one's energies, continual growth, constant change, the enjoyment of every new experience. To stop means simply to die. The eternal mistake of mankind is to set up an attainable ideal." Aleister Crowley
"The Universe is an artistic catharsis." Artifex Infinitum
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Re: Substrate jar looks like shit [Re: AlexP]
#10628521 - 07/06/09 05:14 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I will definitely take this advice to heart when this next syringe comes in. I definitely put a little too much water in there. I didn't squeeze it or anything. I just visually looked and saw it soaked up all the water.
Thank you to everyone for the help!
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