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Re: Self healing lid TEK [Re: vegas69]
    #12175943 - 03/10/10 06:04 AM (14 years, 22 days ago)

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With rubber side down, does it vaccum seal? If so, does that prohibit GE?



The tyvek provides an outlet for GE


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: Citric]
    #12221767 - 03/17/10 11:21 PM (14 years, 14 days ago)

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can u use this lid method for pfcakes(verm& rice flour) or is it strictly for rye grain LC jars?

also when im doing sterilization will the jar lids hold up?








That is a PF jar lid made by Shea25 just a few post above you.

Btw, using these for PF tek you would not need the top layer of verm.

They will hold up just fine.




so the lids take the place of the barrier for contams? and if i do choose to use verm will it hurt or harm anything? or does it defeat the purpose?


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: master_silly]
    #12221773 - 03/17/10 11:23 PM (14 years, 14 days ago)

Using verm would defeat the purpose :pipesmoke:

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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: master_silly]
    #12222904 - 03/18/10 06:24 AM (14 years, 14 days ago)

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master_silly said:
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Citric said:
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master_silly said:
can u use this lid method for pfcakes(verm& rice flour) or is it strictly for rye grain LC jars?

also when im doing sterilization will the jar lids hold up?








That is a PF jar lid made by Shea25 just a few post above you.

Btw, using these for PF tek you would not need the top layer of verm.

They will hold up just fine.




so the lids take the place of the barrier for contams? and if i do choose to use verm will it hurt or harm anything? or does it defeat the purpose?




Your contam 'barrier' with lids like this is the tyvek in the middle, being a filter.  No need for the verm on top while in the jar.  Add it after for a double-end casing.


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: Citric]
    #12223123 - 03/18/10 08:08 AM (14 years, 14 days ago)

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Citric said:
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master_silly said:
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Citric said:
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master_silly said:
can u use this lid method for pfcakes(verm& rice flour) or is it strictly for rye grain LC jars?

also when im doing sterilization will the jar lids hold up?








That is a PF jar lid made by Shea25 just a few post above you.

Btw, using these for PF tek you would not need the top layer of verm.

They will hold up just fine.




so the lids take the place of the barrier for contams? and if i do choose to use verm will it hurt or harm anything? or does it defeat the purpose?




Your contam 'barrier' with lids like this is the tyvek in the middle, being a filter.  No need for the verm on top while in the jar.  Add it after for a double-end casing.



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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: hamloaf]
    #12227184 - 03/18/10 08:41 PM (14 years, 14 days ago)

ok cool, what is double-end casing? sorry :/


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: master_silly]
    #12234924 - 03/20/10 12:30 AM (14 years, 12 days ago)

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ok cool, what is double-end casing? sorry :/



I would like to know too.

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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: musclemushies]
    #12237494 - 03/20/10 03:36 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

ill try googling it


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: master_silly]
    #12237505 - 03/20/10 03:39 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

double end casing is putting casing mix (or verm) at both ends (two of them) of the cakes..some on bottom and top in other words. Just adds a little bit of microclimate for some pins to get a hold of.


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12239716 - 03/20/10 11:27 PM (14 years, 11 days ago)

oh ok thnx mane!


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: master_silly]
    #12239731 - 03/20/10 11:31 PM (14 years, 11 days ago)

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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: gus330]
    #12244140 - 03/21/10 06:41 PM (14 years, 11 days ago)

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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: master_silly]
    #12411066 - 04/17/10 08:31 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I like this tek EXCEPT for the part involving Tyvek. Is applying the Tyvek directly to the ring with silicone strictly necessary? It seems a bit messy and wasteful (of silicone).

Would this work:
A lid with two holes (one with silicone injection port, and just an open hole) on top of a layer of Tyvek.

So from the mouth of the jar up: Opening-> Layer of Tyvek-> Lid (with port and open hole)-> Ring

The only problem I can foresee from doing this would be contams getting through the open hole and through the injection hole in the Tyvek (you would be injecting through the port and through a layer of Tyvek), although placing the holes on opposite ends could mitigate this possibility.
You could possibly fill the open hole with polyfill as an extra layer of protection. This would allow you to shake the jar without worrying about getting the polyfill wet, and further prevent contam entry. Gas exchange could be negatively impacted though. Then again, you could ditch the silicone entirely and use polyfill for all the holes (you get gas exchange AND pseudo self-healing ports). Is silicone that much better than polyfill?

Another possibility is Opening-> Lid with port and hole-> Tyvek-> Ring
(might cause problems, like contams going between lid and Tyvek to open hole, so first option might be better).


Thoughts on the matter?


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: Maruta]
    #12411086 - 04/17/10 08:35 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Just use micropore tape instead of the tyvek.  Put a single layer on both the inner and outer side of the hole, and you are good to go.  Takes only seconds to apply, and it is very effective.  A single 1/4 inch hole with micropore over it for GE works great for me.


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: Nanoid]
    #12411104 - 04/17/10 08:38 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Just use micropore tape instead of the tyvek.  Put a single layer on both the inner and outer side of the hole, and you are good to go.  Takes only seconds to apply, and it is very effective.  A single 1/4 inch hole with micropore over it for GE works great for me.




Thank you for the input. I had thought about micropore tape before, but maybe I have prematurely decided against it. I have read that micropore tape can be problematic in PCs (gets wet, peels off, etc.), along with being wonky in terms of gas exchange. Do you find this to be true?


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: Maruta]
    #12412008 - 04/18/10 12:02 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

You can use a square or whatever of tyvek and put it on your glass, then lid, then screw it all on.  I just prefer to do it this way so I do not have to always visit the post office and cut tyvek every grow.


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: Citric]
    #12412026 - 04/18/10 12:08 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

i'm definitely going to try this.

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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12412131 - 04/18/10 12:34 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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double end casing is putting casing mix (or verm) at both ends (two of them) of the cakes..some on bottom and top in other words. Just adds a little bit of microclimate for some pins to get a hold of.




rolling the cake completely coverd in verm is way better , my opinion anyways, that double end casing is pretty outdated now. I like this lid tek tho, it's the one i've been using.


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: smurphy5000]
    #12412156 - 04/18/10 12:37 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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scatmanrav said:
double end casing is putting casing mix (or verm) at both ends (two of them) of the cakes..some on bottom and top in other words. Just adds a little bit of microclimate for some pins to get a hold of.




rolling the cake completely coverd in verm is way better , my opinion anyways, that double end casing is pretty outdated now. I like this lid tek tho, it's the one i've been using.




Rolling + double end casing is preferred actually.  Not just one or the other.  Dunk, roll, double end case, fruit.

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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: Citric]
    #12412181 - 04/18/10 12:41 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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scatmanrav said:
double end casing is putting casing mix (or verm) at both ends (two of them) of the cakes..some on bottom and top in other words. Just adds a little bit of microclimate for some pins to get a hold of.




rolling the cake completely coverd in verm is way better , my opinion anyways, that double end casing is pretty outdated now. I like this lid tek tho, it's the one i've been using.




Rolling + double end casing is preferred actually.  Not just one or the other.  Dunk, roll, double end case, fruit.






i shall have to try this super verm combo of roll+double ended casing sometime then. and see if there is a difference.

there are some pics of some double ended casing here.
http://archives.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/2899.html

Edited by smurphy5000 (04/18/10 12:48 AM)

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