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doornoblightbulb
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Could a massive tub of fully colonized vermiculite fruit?
#10626719 - 07/05/09 08:07 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Obviously it would be horribly inefficient, but would it produce any mushrooms?
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AlexP



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Re: Could a massive tub of fully colonized vermiculite fruit? [Re: doornoblightbulb]
#10626728 - 07/05/09 08:09 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mnboardin
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Re: Could a massive tub of fully colonized vermiculite fruit? [Re: doornoblightbulb]
#10626729 - 07/05/09 08:09 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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You should try it, and then record and share the results.
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doornoblightbulb
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Re: Could a massive tub of fully colonized vermiculite fruit? [Re: Mnboardin]
#10626735 - 07/05/09 08:10 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mnboardin said: You should try it, and then record and share the results.
I might. And if it doesn't work I'll inject it full of honey.
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TheMushaman
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Re: Could a massive tub of fully colonized vermiculite fruit? [Re: Mnboardin]
#10626741 - 07/05/09 08:12 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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No. Verm has no nutritious value, therefore it won't fruit.
Don't even waste the time.
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AlexP



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Re: Could a massive tub of fully colonized vermiculite fruit? [Re: doornoblightbulb]
#10626746 - 07/05/09 08:12 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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So the bacteria and all its friends can come and have a hell of a good time!
-------------------- "To feel today what one felt yesterday isn't to feel - it's to remember today what was felt yesterday, to be today's living corpse of what yesterday was lived and lost." Fernando Pessoa
"When one creates phantoms for oneself, one puts vampires into the world, and one must nourish these children of a voluntary nightmare with one's blood, one's life, one's intelligence, and one's reason, without ever satisfying them." Eliphas Levi
"The joy of life consists in the exercise of one's energies, continual growth, constant change, the enjoyment of every new experience. To stop means simply to die. The eternal mistake of mankind is to set up an attainable ideal." Aleister Crowley
"The Universe is an artistic catharsis." Artifex Infinitum
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doornoblightbulb
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Re: Could a massive tub of fully colonized vermiculite fruit? [Re: AlexP]
#10626806 - 07/05/09 08:25 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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K I'm gonna prove you all wrong. I'm gonna start on this right now.
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AlexP



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Re: Could a massive tub of fully colonized vermiculite fruit? [Re: doornoblightbulb]
#10626811 - 07/05/09 08:26 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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GL
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"When one creates phantoms for oneself, one puts vampires into the world, and one must nourish these children of a voluntary nightmare with one's blood, one's life, one's intelligence, and one's reason, without ever satisfying them." Eliphas Levi
"The joy of life consists in the exercise of one's energies, continual growth, constant change, the enjoyment of every new experience. To stop means simply to die. The eternal mistake of mankind is to set up an attainable ideal." Aleister Crowley
"The Universe is an artistic catharsis." Artifex Infinitum
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eatyualive
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Re: Could a massive tub of fully colonized vermiculite fruit? [Re: doornoblightbulb]
#10626814 - 07/05/09 08:27 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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verm is mica. its nuked at what 20,000 degrees when they process it. don't think anything nutritious would survive that. the only nutrients you get are from what spawn you put in your tub. if your looking for cheap. try coffee grounds that are used from starbucks. it won't cost you anything just ask. and then try using some coco fiber.
it will fruit but its using the nutes from the grain. depending on how much grain you add. may depend on how many flushes you get. im betting the subs will be exhausted after a flush or two.
Edited by eatyualive (07/05/09 10:17 PM)
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RogerRabbit
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Re: Could a massive tub of fully colonized vermiculite fruit? [Re: eatyualive]
#10626855 - 07/05/09 08:37 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm curious why it seems so odd and hard to fathom that mycelium can 'digest' mineral. IF as evolutionists tell us, fungi is one of the oldest organisms on the planet, I wonder what they ate before trees, manure, etc.?
I also wonder why verm outperforms hardwood sawdust in the pf tek when used for oysters or shiitake, even though we all know oysters and shiitake grow on wood, and that sawdust and verm hold the same amount of moisture, volume wise. Make a few pf cakes with the standard 1-1-2 ratio using verm, and a few more using the same ratio, but sawdust instead of verm. The verm cakes will outperform the sawdust cakes, even for woodloving species such as oysters, lion's mane and shiitake.
Explain that if fungi can't derive anything from vermiculite. RR
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doornoblightbulb
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Re: Could a massive tub of fully colonized vermiculite fruit? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#10626933 - 07/05/09 08:51 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just got a big mushroom I picked earlier today. I skinned part of the stem, and cut it into 4 little pieces. Then I put the 4 pieces in a jar with just wet verm. Do you think this will colonize?
E: And RR just backed me up, lol. Pwned.
Edited by doornoblightbulb (07/05/09 08:53 PM)
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AlexP



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Re: Could a massive tub of fully colonized vermiculite fruit? [Re: doornoblightbulb]
#10626979 - 07/05/09 09:01 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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-------------------- "To feel today what one felt yesterday isn't to feel - it's to remember today what was felt yesterday, to be today's living corpse of what yesterday was lived and lost." Fernando Pessoa
"When one creates phantoms for oneself, one puts vampires into the world, and one must nourish these children of a voluntary nightmare with one's blood, one's life, one's intelligence, and one's reason, without ever satisfying them." Eliphas Levi
"The joy of life consists in the exercise of one's energies, continual growth, constant change, the enjoyment of every new experience. To stop means simply to die. The eternal mistake of mankind is to set up an attainable ideal." Aleister Crowley
"The Universe is an artistic catharsis." Artifex Infinitum
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Re: Could a massive tub of fully colonized vermiculite fruit? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#10626985 - 07/05/09 09:02 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: I'm curious why it seems so odd and hard to fathom that mycelium can 'digest' mineral. IF as evolutionists tell us, fungi is one of the oldest organisms on the planet, I wonder what they ate before trees, manure, etc.?
I also wonder why verm outperforms hardwood sawdust in the pf tek when used for oysters or shiitake, even though we all know oysters and shiitake grow on wood, and that sawdust and verm hold the same amount of moisture, volume wise. Make a few pf cakes with the standard 1-1-2 ratio using verm, and a few more using the same ratio, but sawdust instead of verm. The verm cakes will outperform the sawdust cakes, even for woodloving species such as oysters, lion's mane and shiitake.
Explain that if fungi can't derive anything from vermiculite. RR
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Re: Could a massive tub of fully colonized vermiculite fruit? [Re: River77]
#10627039 - 07/05/09 09:11 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Suck it naysayers..
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doornoblightbulb
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Re: Could a massive tub of fully colonized vermiculite fruit? [Re: kaneabel]
#10627075 - 07/05/09 09:20 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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If the pure verm colonizes I will break it up and use it to colonize a massive tub of pure verm.
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Re: Could a massive tub of fully colonized vermiculite fruit? [Re: doornoblightbulb]
#10627253 - 07/05/09 10:10 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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A massive tub of colonized vermiculite WILL fruit. It's a common Tek to mix grain spawn to equal amount of moist vermiculite, let it fully colonize, case it, and fruit it. It's called the Rez Effect. I’m sure you all know that and that 2nd and 3rd flushes are of less yield than the previous. I was always believed that this was due to lack of nutrients.
It depends on specifically what you are asking about. If you mean will ONLY field capacity vermiculite colonize if inoculated with a few cc of LC, G2G, or MS? That I don't know, but I bet it would if you moistened it with other nutrients such as straw juice, karo water, etc... then it would do better.
That would be cool as hell if we knew precisely what nutrient solution add to the verm, wet to field capacity, PC it, and inoculate it.
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AlexP



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Re: Could a massive tub of fully colonized vermiculite fruit? [Re: NineInchNails]
#10627258 - 07/05/09 10:13 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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A massive tub of colonized vermiculite WILL fruit. It's a common Tek to mix grain spawn to equal amount of moist vermiculite, let it fully colonize, case it, and fruit it. It's called the Rez Effect. I’m sure you all know that and that 2nd and 3rd flushes are of less yield than the previous. I was always believed that this was due to lack of nutrients.
It depends on specifically what you are asking about. If you mean will ONLY field capacity vermiculite colonize if inoculated with a few cc of LC, G2G, or MS? That I don't know, but I bet it would if you moistened it with other nutrients such as straw juice, karo water, etc... then it would do better.
That would be cool as hell if we knew precisely what nutrient solution add to the verm, wet to field capacity, PC it, and inoculate it.
If you read this thread from the beggining, you'll see the OP is refering to vermiculite with vermiculite. Germinating spores on verm and goind all the way to the tub with verm. TC
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"When one creates phantoms for oneself, one puts vampires into the world, and one must nourish these children of a voluntary nightmare with one's blood, one's life, one's intelligence, and one's reason, without ever satisfying them." Eliphas Levi
"The joy of life consists in the exercise of one's energies, continual growth, constant change, the enjoyment of every new experience. To stop means simply to die. The eternal mistake of mankind is to set up an attainable ideal." Aleister Crowley
"The Universe is an artistic catharsis." Artifex Infinitum
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doornoblightbulb
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Re: Could a massive tub of fully colonized vermiculite fruit? [Re: AlexP]
#10627277 - 07/05/09 10:17 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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lulz, I can't wait to see how this will progress.
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doornoblightbulb
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Re: Could a massive tub of fully colonized vermiculite fruit? [Re: doornoblightbulb]
#10627290 - 07/05/09 10:20 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe I will add some gypsum
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AlexP



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Re: Could a massive tub of fully colonized vermiculite fruit? [Re: doornoblightbulb]
#10627305 - 07/05/09 10:23 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe you should add some nutes. Do as you please, hope to see your good results.
-------------------- "To feel today what one felt yesterday isn't to feel - it's to remember today what was felt yesterday, to be today's living corpse of what yesterday was lived and lost." Fernando Pessoa
"When one creates phantoms for oneself, one puts vampires into the world, and one must nourish these children of a voluntary nightmare with one's blood, one's life, one's intelligence, and one's reason, without ever satisfying them." Eliphas Levi
"The joy of life consists in the exercise of one's energies, continual growth, constant change, the enjoyment of every new experience. To stop means simply to die. The eternal mistake of mankind is to set up an attainable ideal." Aleister Crowley
"The Universe is an artistic catharsis." Artifex Infinitum
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