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Stamets casing strategy incorporated into 50/50+
    #10622330 - 07/04/09 08:19 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

So I have been contemplating some things as of late. I've got some high yield indoor grows under my belt. One thing I've noticed is about 90% of the time my stems are pretty hollow. So I was thinking what might help create more dense fruits.

    Whether it is relevant to the above query or not, I wanted to try casing layers again on my monotubs to see if I could produce more dense fruits. So, I was reading the Casing Layer chapter 8 in Stamets "The Mushroom Cultivator" and a couple of things stuck out. The use of a quick and a long term PH buffer. It lists various ingredients that can be used to support the pure peat casings he used in those days. His primary formula is as follows:
Coarse Peat - 4 parts
Limestone Flour - 1 part (97% CaCO3 with less than 2% magnesium)
Limestone Grit - 1/2 part (good structural additive but low buffering ability)

So I was thinking of a casing recipe I could use to promote all the properties Stamets highlights in this chapter (Water Retention, Structure, Microflora, PH)

So I was thinking:
Peat - 1 Part
Verm - 1 Part
Limestone Flour - 1/4 Part
Crushed Oyster Shell (to sub for grit) - 1/4 Part
Gypsum - 1/4 Part

Am I over complicating the casing layer? I just want to add strong porous structure that won't get matted down after a couple flushes. So I can get solid pinsets through multiple flushes.

What do you all think?


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Re: Stamets casing strategy incorporated into 50/50+ [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #10622367 - 07/04/09 08:37 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Over complicating or not. If it could lead to the results you want? Than go for it. :smile: And let me know how it works out. I have been doing a few experiments of my own.With different substrate depths!!!:smile:


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Re: Stamets casing strategy incorporated into 50/50+ [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #10622370 - 07/04/09 08:38 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Short term buffer would be hydrated lime and is an initial buffer for peats acidic nature.
Longer term buffer would be dolomite lime, limestone flour, chalk, oystershell flour, powdered eggshell, etc; this continues to buffer after the hydrated limes buffer affects are gone.
As far as solid stems IME that comes mostly from substrate. I've grown out the exact same isolate on BRF (hollow stems), WBS (much meatier), straw/dung (very solid). That tells me it is a nutritional factor more than anything. Thats my thoughts on it anyway. Your initial pinset contains pins for your first few flushes trouble is so many are destroyed whenever massive flushes are harvested. Patching here goes a long way to extend cropping.


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Re: Stamets casing strategy incorporated into 50/50+ [Re: fungidungi]
    #10622385 - 07/04/09 08:40 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Hollow stems could be ginetic. Ive had hollow stems from cakes many ties, recently ive had very dense fruits from cakes aswell.

A while back ther was talk about fruiting temps effeecting hollow stem growth but idk if that was ever confirmed.

I dont bother about regulating temps for fruiting, i just leave them at room temp allowing it to fluctuate naturally and ive been gettng decent fruits with dense fruits that either have no hollow stems or very little hollowness.


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Re: Stamets casing strategy incorporated into 50/50+ [Re: veda_sticks]
    #10622464 - 07/04/09 09:14 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Well the only thing I have for buffering is crushed oyster shell at the moment.

Should I get some hydrated lime for short term and limestone flour for added long term with the oyster shell?


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Re: Stamets casing strategy incorporated into 50/50+ [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #10622527 - 07/04/09 09:35 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Lucid_Euphoria said:
Well the only thing I have for buffering is crushed oyster shell at the moment.

Should I get some hydrated lime for short term and limestone flour for added long term with the oyster shell?



I would actually I mean definitely hydrated and limestone flour will help with the buffering as you should be aware oyster shell flour it not very water soluble it breaks down very slowly so when adding use mostly limestone flour and a third oyster shell four 3:1 and you don't need much hydrated lime it's only an initial buffer meaning immediate. GL


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Re: Stamets casing strategy incorporated into 50/50+ [Re: hyphae]
    #10622713 - 07/04/09 10:40 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Hydrated lime will keep your pH high for over a month.  I know of very few casing layers used longer than that anyway. 24 years ago, nobody used hydrated lime or vermiculite, thus they weren't mentioned in that book.  I see no benefit to long-term buffers in mycology. Limestone grit served roughly the purpose we use verm for now, only verm holds more moisture.  The state of the art has advanced a lot since 1985.
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Re: Stamets casing strategy incorporated into 50/50+ [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #10622752 - 07/04/09 10:56 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

The state of the art has advanced a lot since 1985.




Ya I guess I shouldn't read to much into the outdated books.

So Peat/Verm + Hydrated Lime is all I really need.


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Re: Stamets casing strategy incorporated into 50/50+ [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #10622756 - 07/04/09 10:58 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I use 1tsp hydrated per qt of casing mix and 1 tbs long term. From the time I case until end of cropping can be 6 weeks. Besides it pH buffering ability it also keeps the trich away. I like the cheap insurance I guess.


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Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal :wink:
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE

"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"

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Re: Stamets casing strategy incorporated into 50/50+ [Re: hyphae]
    #10622960 - 07/05/09 12:05 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

what catagory does Calcium Carbonate sold at SporeWorks in 5lbs tub fall under...........long term or immediate?


i guess my question is.........can it be the only pH stabalizer used for a casings mix? and whats a good percentage to add it the casing mix(5,10,15%)?

Edited by CDub (07/05/09 12:22 AM)

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Re: Stamets casing strategy incorporated into 50/50+ [Re: hyphae]
    #10623393 - 07/05/09 02:55 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

hyphae said:
I use 1tsp hydrated per qt of casing mix and 1 tbs long term. From the time I case until end of cropping can be 6 weeks. Besides it pH buffering ability it also keeps the trich away. I like the cheap insurance I guess.




figured out the hyphae uses 1% hydrated lime and 2% long term in his Quart casing mix


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Re: Stamets casing strategy incorporated into 50/50+ [Re: CDub]
    #10623762 - 07/05/09 08:17 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

CDub said:
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hyphae said:
I use 1tsp hydrated per qt of casing mix and 1 tbs long term. From the time I case until end of cropping can be 6 weeks. Besides it pH buffering ability it also keeps the trich away. I like the cheap insurance I guess.




figured out the hyphae uses 1% hydrated lime and 2% long term in his Quart casing mix



Consider that bare minimum!
I have used 2-3 tbs per quart long term in casing that are going to have extended flushes.


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Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal :wink:
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE

"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"

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