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"Philosophers stones"
    #10621224 - 07/04/09 02:04 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Last night someone asked me what kind of mushrooms my "dealer" grows. (Read, I'm not going to tell him that I grow because he's a fucking lune.)
I said cubensis and he said that "philsosphers stones" where the strongest mushrooms that you could get.
I called bullshit because of all the time I've spent researching mycology and growing, I've never heard of it.
Is he talking out his backside? Have you heard of a species that's also referred to as "philosophers stones"?


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Re: "Philosophers stones" [Re: Tds]
    #10621236 - 07/04/09 02:07 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Ya sclerotia producing species are often referred to as philosopher's stones, however they are by no means the most potent.  Azures, Pans, etc are all more potent.


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Re: "Philosophers stones" [Re: Tds]
    #10621248 - 07/04/09 02:11 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

"Philosophers stones" are sclerotia from Psilocybe tampanensis and yes they are quite potent.  But as stated above are by no means the most potent.


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Re: "Philosophers stones" [Re: CubieMcCuberton]
    #10621258 - 07/04/09 02:12 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Well, perhaps he's half right then. The B+ I've grown seem to be really fucking potent, so I'm happy.
Grow #2 is going to be another cubensis strain, perhaps golden teacher.


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Re: "Philosophers stones" [Re: Tds]
    #10621266 - 07/04/09 02:14 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Just threw that into google...they look beautiful. I think perhaps I should try growing some of them...


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Re: "Philosophers stones" [Re: Tds]
    #10621498 - 07/04/09 03:25 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I should warn you that cultivating some of the other active strains is harder than cultivating cubensies.


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Re: "Philosophers stones" [Re: ScavengerType]
    #10621536 - 07/04/09 03:32 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Growing stones is actually rumored to be much easier since the have a much wider range of conditions they will grow in and no fruiting is necessary since they grow invitro. for more info look at cervantes thread titled Easier than Cubes, tons of good info. and no stones are not more potent than most mushrooms, in fact they are usually a more mellow kinda body high.


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Re: "Philosophers stones" [Re: ScavengerType]
    #10621546 - 07/04/09 03:37 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: "Philosophers stones" [Re: hammy]
    #10621556 - 07/04/09 03:41 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Oh yea I remember someone telling me how sclerotia species were good for doing real stealth grows and stuff a while ago because they could grow invitro. Though I have a hard time believing some invitro scelerotias would best some of the monotub grows I'd seen on here. Is it often done off grains what?


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Re: "Philosophers stones" [Re: ScavengerType]
    #10621563 - 07/04/09 03:42 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I think they are more potent than cubes, atleast they were in my experience with them. I hear rye grass seed gets the best results.

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Re: "Philosophers stones" [Re: ScavengerType]
    #10621568 - 07/04/09 03:45 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Ya grains are pretty common and Cervantes says you can get some rather large yields of stones. but i would assume a well done bulk grow or mono would yield far more weight than a jar of stones since they would be limited by the jar size.


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Re: "Philosophers stones" [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #10621571 - 07/04/09 03:46 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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ScavengerType said:
I should warn you that cultivating some of the other active strains is harder than cultivating cubensies.



Not according to Cervantes.



yes but have you read his bio:
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I know you think you understand the words I have just said to you but, what you fail to realize is, what you thought I said is not what I actually meant by saying what I said, when I said it.



case closed

Also I did say some as in not all for all you who think I made a blanket statement declaring cubes to be the easiest strain to grow.


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Re: "Philosophers stones" [Re: hammy]
    #10621585 - 07/04/09 03:49 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I get higher out of cubes.

But show me a pan... and my mouth starts watering and my head spinning... I love to mingle with them here in all the colors, we just become one and flow into everything, just splashing the world around as we go...


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Re: "Philosophers stones" [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #10621596 - 07/04/09 03:54 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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ScavengerType said:
I should warn you that cultivating some of the other active strains is harder than cultivating cubensies.



Not according to Cervantes.




You're verging on misrepresenting me.

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Stones ARE easier than cubes... but ScavengerType is correct... some, if not most active species are more difficult that Cubes.


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Re: "Philosophers stones" [Re: hammy]
    #10621604 - 07/04/09 03:57 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Growing stones is actually rumored to be much easier since the have a much wider range of conditions they will grow in and no fruiting is necessary since they grow invitro. for more info look at cervantes thread titled Easier than Cubes, tons of good info. and no stones are not more potent than most mushrooms, in fact they are usually a more mellow kinda body high.




I wouldn't exactly say they grow in a wider range of conditions than cubes.

That suggests you can neglect them, which is not the case.

Knock up a sterile grain jar, and keep it at room temp until ready to harvest. No need for a fruiting chamber... no need for cakes... no need to dunk... no need to spawn to bulk. Unless you want to.



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Re: "Philosophers stones" [Re: ScavengerType]
    #10621627 - 07/04/09 04:04 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah Id realized that immediately after I posted it but didnt take the time to correct myself. Sorry guys.

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Re: "Philosophers stones" [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #10621628 - 07/04/09 04:04 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: "Philosophers stones" [Re: Rose]
    #10621640 - 07/04/09 04:09 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Growing stones is actually rumored to be much easier since the have a much wider range of conditions they will grow in and no fruiting is necessary since they grow invitro. for more info look at cervantes thread titled Easier than Cubes, tons of good info. and no stones are not more potent than most mushrooms, in fact they are usually a more mellow kinda body high.




I wouldn't exactly say they grow in a wider range of conditions than cubes.

That suggests you can neglect them, which is not the case.

Knock up a sterile grain jar, and keep it at room temp until ready to harvest. No need for a fruiting chamber... no need for cakes... no need to dunk... no need to spawn to bulk. Unless you want to.




Guess wider range of conditions wasn't a very good expression , i was trying to get across the fact that you will get fruits(not to be confused with mushrooms, stones are still a fruit) in less specific conditions i.e. as you said no need for fruiting chamber etc.


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Re: "Philosophers stones" [Re: hammy]
    #10621643 - 07/04/09 04:10 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

This is true.

And as for the high... I wouldn't describe it like you did... but you weren't exactly off the mark.

Stones can be VERY visual... there is simply less of a mindfuck w/ them when compared to cubes. IME, acid is the cleanest trip. Stones are cleaner than cubes but not as clean as good acid.

AND this is just my opinion... no science... so don't take my word as God.


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Re: "Philosophers stones" [Re: Rose]
    #10621661 - 07/04/09 04:14 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I love the blue meanies Cervantes! I also love acid but the blue meanies are sooo good to me!

I didn't go very high on the stones when I tried them in Amsterdam but I surely went very high with the Cyans!

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