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Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok?
#10619182 - 07/04/09 04:57 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hi Guys!
I have been doing my first grow with a grow bag kit and its gone extremely well which is why i havent had to post anything here untill now!
I got to the final stage of putting into the humidity bag and have been waiting for things to start pinning! And indeed i can now see multiple mushrooms being born....Unfortuantely i forgot to put some foil around the bag and i can now see LOADS of pins forming around the bottom of the bag pushing against the sides.

(This is what it should look like but i put it in without the foil around it)
My question is this, i have now put foil around the bag and put it back into the humidity tent, will the mushrooms that were growing around the bottom now start to grow upwards or has this wrecked my whole grow? Also will this possibly effect the amont of flushes i get?
Thank You in advance
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: krazzed]
#10619240 - 07/04/09 05:33 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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should be okay, you could try to carefully cut the bag off and put it into a shotgun fc. good luck
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: fungusfeller]
#10619907 - 07/04/09 09:34 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont think im confident enough to move it all now as i dont want to destroy it even more! I was just wondering if the pins that have started growing all around the bottom will now grow upwards or if they will just die?
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: krazzed]
#10619967 - 07/04/09 09:51 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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If the substrate has pulled away from the sides of the bag and there is room to grow up the probably will (I have had this happen when not lining my monotubs with plastic.) If the pins are pushed up tightly against the plastic they will probably abort and will rot eventually if not picked. This will also affect your first flush mostly because all the energy and resources the myc could be putting towards the shrooms that are growing on top is being wasted on the loads of pins that arent going to reach maturity. With the foil on there now you shouldn't see as much side pinning in your subsequent flushes. However they nutrients used to make those pins are already gone.
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: mushroommaan]
#10619986 - 07/04/09 09:55 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: krazzed]
#10620012 - 07/04/09 10:01 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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this is why fruiting in a bag is just lame. there are many better ways to fruit mycellium. IMOIMOIMOIMOIMO
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: prismism]
#10620026 - 07/04/09 10:04 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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lol.. BS I've had amazing results from my coir/verm bags! Kits are just lame...
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: BUDDHA_702]
#10620063 - 07/04/09 10:12 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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please show us your amazing results from fruiting within a bag.
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: prismism]
#10620075 - 07/04/09 10:16 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I need not prove shit to you.. you don't believe me then sucks for you, I couldn't care less.
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: BUDDHA_702]
#10620108 - 07/04/09 10:24 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Foil will actually encourage side pinning by reflecting light down. If it's fruiting, leave it alone and let it do it's thing. You might try cutting a small slit in the top of the bag to allow a bit more fresh air to enter. RR
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: mushroommaan]
#10620177 - 07/04/09 10:46 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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The idea of it starting to rot really doesnt sound good. Could another soloution be to cut squares into the whole sides of the bag, allowing the pins to grow outwards on the sides?
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: krazzed]
#10620471 - 07/04/09 11:44 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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lol.. BS I've had amazing results from my coir/verm bags! Kits are just lame...
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please show us your amazing results from fruiting within a bag.
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I need not prove shit to you.. you don't believe me then sucks for you, I couldn't care less.
You don't need to prove anything to anyone but there's definitely space for you to improve on your language skills. This is a community to share knowledge about growing mushrooms so if you have amazing results from fruiting in bags it would be nice to see photos so we can learn something from you. If there are no photos, there's no point. TC
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: AlexP]
#10620530 - 07/04/09 11:54 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Please guys,
there is some conflicting advice here. I really need some kind of definate answer. This has been a long time in the making and i dont want to do the wrong thing now that might screw it up? Its either.. now leave the foil on and hope they grow upwards or something else.!
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#10620550 - 07/04/09 11:57 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Foil will actually encourage side pinning by reflecting light down. If it's fruiting, leave it alone and let it do it's thing. You might try cutting a small slit in the top of the bag to allow a bit more fresh air to enter. RR
This man has the 'Trusted Cultivator' tag for a reason. listen to what he says.
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: breakfast]
#10620574 - 07/04/09 12:01 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I want to follow his advice but all the pins that are growing at the bottom are very very tight, so i dont how they will grow with no room? If i cut panels out of the side will this be bad?
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: krazzed]
#10620575 - 07/04/09 12:01 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Foil will actually encourage side pinning by reflecting light down. If it's fruiting, leave it alone and let it do it's thing. You might try cutting a small slit in the top of the bag to allow a bit more fresh air to enter. RR
^a TC just hooked you up with some solid advice and you are squirming for more answers?
hes saying you dont need the foil..(maybe try duct tape next time.)and your bags could always use some good fresh air so go ahead and cut a hole in the bag. and while your at it you can remove the mushrooms that you fear could be rotting. does that help?
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: prismism]
#10620591 - 07/04/09 12:05 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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prismism said:
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RogerRabbit said: Foil will actually encourage side pinning by reflecting light down. If it's fruiting, leave it alone and let it do it's thing. You might try cutting a small slit in the top of the bag to allow a bit more fresh air to enter. RR
^a TC just hooked you up with some solid advice and you are squirming for more answers?
hes saying you dont need the foil..(maybe try duct tape next time.)and your bags could always use some good fresh air so go ahead and cut a hole in the bag. and while your at it you can remove the mushrooms that you fear could be rotting. does that help?
Im really sorry if i am coming accross as a nag, that was not my intention. Ok i am going to remove the foil and cut some panels out of the sides to allow the mushrooms to grow outwards. Hope this works! Thanks for the help people!
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: krazzed]
#10620610 - 07/04/09 12:09 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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You don't want the mushrooms to grow outwards your holes. They are for FAE.
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: AlexP]
#10620658 - 07/04/09 12:17 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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AlexP said: You don't need to prove anything to anyone but there's definitely space for you to improve on your language skills. This is a community to share knowledge about growing mushrooms so if you have amazing results from fruiting in bags it would be nice to see photos so we can learn something from you. If there are no photos, there's no point. TC

I live in the USA I can talk how ever the FUCK I want ASSHOLE! Can't handle it then GTFO.
So now I need photos to prove every thing I say?
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: AlexP]
#10620670 - 07/04/09 12:20 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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AlexP said: You don't want the mushrooms to grow outwards your holes. They are for FAE.
FAE?
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: krazzed]
#10620677 - 07/04/09 12:22 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fresh Air Exchange.
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"When one creates phantoms for oneself, one puts vampires into the world, and one must nourish these children of a voluntary nightmare with one's blood, one's life, one's intelligence, and one's reason, without ever satisfying them." Eliphas Levi
"The joy of life consists in the exercise of one's energies, continual growth, constant change, the enjoyment of every new experience. To stop means simply to die. The eternal mistake of mankind is to set up an attainable ideal." Aleister Crowley
"The Universe is an artistic catharsis." Artifex Infinitum
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: AlexP]
#10620936 - 07/04/09 01:12 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I live in the USA I can talk how ever the FUCK I want ASSHOLE! Can't handle it then GTFO.
So now I need photos to prove every thing I say?
You definitely can't speak like that on this forum. It has rules and you must obey them. Such an infraction will surely be taken care of my the moderators of the forum.
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"When one creates phantoms for oneself, one puts vampires into the world, and one must nourish these children of a voluntary nightmare with one's blood, one's life, one's intelligence, and one's reason, without ever satisfying them." Eliphas Levi
"The joy of life consists in the exercise of one's energies, continual growth, constant change, the enjoyment of every new experience. To stop means simply to die. The eternal mistake of mankind is to set up an attainable ideal." Aleister Crowley
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: BUDDHA_702]
#10620962 - 07/04/09 01:15 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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BUDDHA_702 said:
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AlexP said: You don't need to prove anything to anyone but there's definitely space for you to improve on your language skills. This is a community to share knowledge about growing mushrooms so if you have amazing results from fruiting in bags it would be nice to see photos so we can learn something from you. If there are no photos, there's no point. TC

I live in the USA I can talk how ever the FUCK I want ASSHOLE! Can't handle it then GTFO.
So now I need photos to prove every thing I say?
This might be the USA but your a member here at the Shroomery and as members we show each other respect like adults so consider this a warning #1 and FYI there is no three strikes your out here just a heads up!
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: hyphae]
#10622191 - 07/04/09 07:14 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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hyphae said: consider this a warning #1 and FYI there is no three strikes your out here just a heads up!
Ya beat me again!
I'd have given you a few days off, so be glad hyphae found it first. Play nice or don't play.
Cut slits in the bags for fresh air and remove the foil. I can't be clearer than that. RR
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#10622399 - 07/04/09 08:47 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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You people need to calm the beens.
Pinning down the sides and botom while isnt desired its not much to worry about, its just a pain to harvest.
I had a mini double tub pin mostly on the bottom with a few on top, they pushed the substrate upwards and grew fine, i just popped the block out and harvested, you can do the same with a bag. Just pull the block out and remove the fruits, sometimes if they grow long enough they will grow upwards and out looking for air as some of my bottom pins did on my tub.
Thats what happen can happen when the subsrate shrinks allowing fresh air to the myc and also a small space which holds high humidity. The good news is you got fruits.
Fruiting in the bag isnt lame, ive seen plenty of great bag grows. Theres more than 1 way of doing things and fruiting in the bag is just 1 of them.
You get people saying things like that from time to time, for a period people would say cakes suck for yeild or pins then people started proving them wrong.
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: veda_sticks]
#10622421 - 07/04/09 08:56 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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You people need to calm the beens.
Veda, it wasn't the first time for this poster. If you just look at some of his posts you'll see it is normal of him to have this behaviour. He even has threads on how to rob deparment stores...
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"When one creates phantoms for oneself, one puts vampires into the world, and one must nourish these children of a voluntary nightmare with one's blood, one's life, one's intelligence, and one's reason, without ever satisfying them." Eliphas Levi
"The joy of life consists in the exercise of one's energies, continual growth, constant change, the enjoyment of every new experience. To stop means simply to die. The eternal mistake of mankind is to set up an attainable ideal." Aleister Crowley
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: AlexP]
#10622453 - 07/04/09 09:10 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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AlexP said:
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You people need to calm the beens.
Veda, it wasn't the first time for this poster. If you just look at some of his posts you'll see it is normal of him to have this behaviour. He even has threads on how to rob deparment stores...
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: veda_sticks]
#10622472 - 07/04/09 09:18 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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veda_sticks said: You people need to calm the beens.
Pinning down the sides and botom while isnt desired its not much to worry about, its just a pain to harvest.
I had a mini double tub pin mostly on the bottom with a few on top, they pushed the substrate upwards and grew fine, i just popped the block out and harvested, you can do the same with a bag. Just pull the block out and remove the fruits, sometimes if they grow long enough they will grow upwards and out looking for air as some of my bottom pins did on my tub.
Thats what happen can happen when the subsrate shrinks allowing fresh air to the myc and also a small space which holds high humidity. The good news is you got fruits.
Fruiting in the bag isnt lame, ive seen plenty of great bag grows. Theres more than 1 way of doing things and fruiting in the bag is just 1 of them.
You get people saying things like that from time to time, for a period people would say cakes suck for yeild or pins then people started proving them wrong.
When u say "pull the block out" what do you mean? as the top of the bag is already open. The only thing i can think of is cutting panels out of the sides?
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: krazzed]
#10622488 - 07/04/09 09:23 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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open the top of the bag and pull the whole thing out. if it is fully colonized it should be a solid brick
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: proudabu]
#10622662 - 07/04/09 10:22 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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proudabu said: open the top of the bag and pull the whole thing out. if it is fully colonized it should be a solid brick
The colonized rye grain has a casing layer on top plus do i want to put the brick directly onto the perlite?
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: krazzed]
#10622688 - 07/04/09 10:30 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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fresh air exchange
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: mushroommaan]
#10622709 - 07/04/09 10:39 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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fresh air exchange
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"When one creates phantoms for oneself, one puts vampires into the world, and one must nourish these children of a voluntary nightmare with one's blood, one's life, one's intelligence, and one's reason, without ever satisfying them." Eliphas Levi
"The joy of life consists in the exercise of one's energies, continual growth, constant change, the enjoyment of every new experience. To stop means simply to die. The eternal mistake of mankind is to set up an attainable ideal." Aleister Crowley
"The Universe is an artistic catharsis." Artifex Infinitum
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: AlexP]
#10623247 - 07/05/09 01:42 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Put it on top of something then put it in with the perlite
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Re: Big mistake at the very end, will it be ok? [Re: proudabu]
#10623305 - 07/05/09 02:06 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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lol i can't beleive this threads on its 4th page.
the good advice has already been given.
just grow the damm thing.
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