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Best Way To Go With Grain?
    #10569109 - 06/25/09 04:06 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

So far my knowledge with grain goes as far as the "Lets Grow Mushrooms" DVD. In the DVD I followed the rye grain tek but I don't really know what's next. As far as I can tell I follow the DVD for making a substrate on horse manure then follow the casing layer preparation. Is this the best way to go?

I want to do bulk so a monotub seems to be the best way to go. What is the best tek for that? I'm more of a visual learner so the DVD is really good for me but it misses some of the in between steps. If I was using a monotub would I mix the substrate and grain together in layers in the tub then add a casing layer or is it a different story with monotubs?

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Re: Best Way To Go With Grain? [Re: Buttsack]
    #10569407 - 06/25/09 06:43 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

You don't really need to case a monotub.
And poo is great if you have it, but coir is good too.


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Re: Best Way To Go With Grain? [Re: Doc_T]
    #10569440 - 06/25/09 06:58 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

You can do a few things with grain. You could do grain to grain to expand your myclium further. You could spawn it to a bulk substrate, you could just apply a casing layer to straight grain, or you could mix it with hydrated verm.

Theres a section in the RR's DVD dealing with horse manure substrates and also straw. Using coir is pretty similar except it usually comes in a brick and it expands when hydrated. Similar precodure pasturise, allow to cool and layer it with your grain. You can mix bulk substrates aswell. Like coir/coffee/verm/gypsum/ Poo/verm/gypsum. Poo/coir. Theres been lots of different mixes


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Re: Best Way To Go With Grain? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #10569443 - 06/25/09 07:00 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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You can do a few things with grain. You could do grain to grain to expand your myclium further. You could spawn it to a bulk substrate, you could just apply a casing layer to straight grain, or you could mix it with hydrated verm.

Theres a section in the RR's DVD dealing with horse manure substrates and also straw. Using coir is pretty similar except it usually comes in a brick and it expands when hydrated. Similar precodure pasturise, allow to cool and layer it with your grain. You can mix bulk substrates aswell. Like coir/coffee/verm/gypsum/ Poo/verm/gypsum. Poo/coir. Theres been lots of different mixes



or u could use it to make Grain LC's...which IMHO are the bomb!!!

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Re: Best Way To Go With Grain? [Re: shakalaka]
    #10575195 - 06/26/09 04:09 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Can I mix the horse poo substrate like RR does in the DVD but just put it in a monotub such as this instead?


Does casing in a monotub not help with pinning? If this is the case how much fast is casing? Thanks for the help

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Re: Best Way To Go With Grain? [Re: Buttsack]
    #10575248 - 06/26/09 04:47 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

if its your 1st mono, don't bother casing it, just be crucial sure your substrate is at the correct moisture levels after pasteurizing and it will pin like a bomb. then you can dunk it inbetween flushes and not worry about casing layer going everywhere.

I used to case mono's but im getting the same weight / results without now.

i like coir and poo mix, with gypsum and coffee if i have it.

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Re: Best Way To Go With Grain? [Re: FractalXplora]
    #10576055 - 06/26/09 10:36 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Mix your spawn with these bulk substrates:

Coir-Coffee Recipes:
Oatman2000's
large_dose's
dead's

Poo Recipes:
Roadkill's
OZZ's
agar's
legallyhomeless's
trippinthru's

I'd go case it because i think it is hard to provide perfect conditions at FC at first experience. Also i fruit uncased at my first time and the results are not well. If you decide to do fruit uncased, then read hyphae's amazing advices.

Good luck.

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Re: Best Way To Go With Grain? [Re: Carcass]
    #10576434 - 06/26/09 12:06 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Look for Rye Bitches Rye in the search engine. This is the Tek I use and it works pretty good.


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Re: Best Way To Go With Grain? [Re: FractalXplora]
    #10578976 - 06/26/09 08:42 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the links Carcass.

I've read the Rye Bitches Rye one but they work with casing and I'd rather do a monotub when my grains are ready.

I've got 2 jars ready to be spawned and was looking at casing it. After a bit of reading I've come to the conclusion that casing is just as good as "dunk and roll" but bulk substrate is better for both pf cakes and grain.

So if a do a "horse poo" bulk substrate I should case it just to be sure? Is a "horse poo" bulk substrate the best way to go in a monotub then case it after?

What are the chances of my grain or cakes getting contams once colonized, even with handling? Can a food processor ruin the mycelium in the cakes if i process too much?

There's so many different ways to do things that as soon as I choose one path to go down I find another which is better. Thanks for the help so far guys. Very much appreciated.

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Re: Best Way To Go With Grain? [Re: Buttsack]
    #10578984 - 06/26/09 08:43 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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There's so many different ways to do things that as soon as I choose one path to go down I find another which is better.




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Re: Best Way To Go With Grain? [Re: Doc_T]
    #10579027 - 06/26/09 08:50 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Best Way To Go With Grain? [Re: Doc_T]
    #10579049 - 06/26/09 08:54 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

monotub is better than shotgun because it doesn't need so much care as shotgun. also it's cheaper. do not forget to use a black garbage bag. it really helps to prevent side pinnings.
and cover the holes with micropore tape until colonization finishes.
you find all other info at the links i wrote. these are important points i thought you should know.
good luck.

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Re: Best Way To Go With Grain? [Re: Carcass]
    #10579078 - 06/26/09 08:59 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Best Way To Go With Grain? [Re: Jitsu]
    #10579136 - 06/26/09 09:11 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

you can use a little tub if you want to make monotub. but if you choose shotgun you should buy a medium-big container.
for shotgun you need drilling and perlite. for monotub just drilling is enough. how much is a packet of polyfill?
monotub just needs extra bulk substrate that's all. so?

but there's a thing that is surely true, you're the most skillful people at forum who uses shotgun. love your tray works. i started with shotgun and now i have two trays colonizing, i will ask for your advices in future.

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Re: Best Way To Go With Grain? [Re: Jitsu]
    #10579143 - 06/26/09 09:13 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Apples and oranges my friends.
Apples and oranges. :wink:


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Re: Best Way To Go With Grain? [Re: Premedman1]
    #10618746 - 07/04/09 12:52 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Okay so my first PF Jars were ready yesterday and I made them in some bulk substrate (horse poo) and layered it in about 4 layers. Thing is I filled the container, since it wasn't very deep. There would be no point doing a casing layer now would there? Or could I just pop it on top?

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