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hyphae
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: hellraizor83]
#10614538 - 07/03/09 08:01 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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hellraizor83 said: the dry verm layer is a protective barrier so no foil or tape or anything is necassary
You need to cover the holes as to not throw off your moisture content. Please do not give advice on subjects your not familiar with thank you.
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Lostkeys
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: hyphae]
#10614569 - 07/03/09 08:16 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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hyphae said:
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hellraizor83 said: the dry verm layer is a protective barrier so no foil or tape or anything is necassary
You need to cover the holes as to not throw off your moisture content. Please do not give advice on subjects your not familiar with thank you.
I'm not positive, but I believe he was referring to after steam sterilization has been completed and the jars are left to colonize. Is moisture content an issue at that point?
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hyphae
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: Lostkeys]
#10614587 - 07/03/09 08:23 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lostkeys said:
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hyphae said:
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hellraizor83 said: the dry verm layer is a protective barrier so no foil or tape or anything is necassary
You need to cover the holes as to not throw off your moisture content. Please do not give advice on subjects your not familiar with thank you.
I'm not positive, but I believe he was referring to after steam sterilization has been completed and the jars are left to colonize. Is moisture content an issue at that point?
Never assume! You know what they say right?
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE
"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Lostkeys
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: hyphae]
#10614588 - 07/03/09 08:25 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah... ass u and me... but I'm already an ass so that's par for the course. Just ask one of my ex's.
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Edited by Lostkeys (07/03/09 08:26 AM)
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: Lostkeys]
#10614699 - 07/03/09 08:57 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lostkeys said: Yeah... ass u and me... but I'm already an ass so that's par for the course. Just ask one of my ex's.
hahahaha you and me both
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prismism



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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: Lostkeys]
#10614914 - 07/03/09 09:46 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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i still say jars do not need anything on the lids after inoculation if there is a dry verm layer in place.
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hyphae
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: prismism]
#10614925 - 07/03/09 09:48 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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prismism said: i still say jars do not need anything on the lids after inoculation if there is a dry verm layer in place.
So true but I'll still keep my dust cover to write on it's just convenient for me personally.
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE
"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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CH HELL
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: hyphae]
#10614951 - 07/03/09 09:54 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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hyphae said:
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hellraizor83 said: the dry verm layer is a protective barrier so no foil or tape or anything is necassary
You need to cover the holes as to not throw off your moisture content. Please do not give advice on subjects your not familiar with thank you.
Wow I have to disagree with hyphea.
Covering the holes on a PF jar will not allow proper GE and will get the to "dry" verm layer wet, thus making it prone to contams. The drying of a pf jar is not that big of a deal, you are going to dunk n roll right. Grain jar need the hole covered to keep moister in, I am not saying keep the foil on though. Also no verm layer in a grain jar.
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hyphae
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: CH HELL]
#10614991 - 07/03/09 10:00 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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CH HELL said:
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hellraizor83 said: the dry verm layer is a protective barrier so no foil or tape or anything is necassary
You need to cover the holes as to not throw off your moisture content. Please do not give advice on subjects your not familiar with thank you.
Wow I have to disagree with hyphea.
Covering the holes on a PF jar will not allow proper GE and will get the to "dry" verm layer wet, thus making it prone to contams. The drying of a pf jar is not that big of a deal, you are going to dunk n roll right. Grain jar need the hole covered to keep moister in, I am not saying keep the foil on though. Also no verm layer in a grain jar.
CH
You've misread totally misread what I've said go back and reread so you have the proper context please. Do you really think I would say to cover holes after inoculating after I've spent the last 6-7 years telling people not to? Now really please a little more credit! TY
FYI I was being critical as in during PCing
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE
"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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CH HELL
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: Leadwing]
#10614993 - 07/03/09 10:01 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Leadwing said: Haha I love how number #1 is exactly what I posted last night!
*nooob*
Wasn't trying to pick on anyone, you surely are not the only one that has done this. CH
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CH HELL
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: hyphae]
#10615020 - 07/03/09 10:06 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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hellraizor83 said: the dry verm layer is a protective barrier so no foil or tape or anything is necassary
You need to cover the holes as to not throw off your moisture content while PCing. Please do not give advice on subjects your not familiar with thank you.
Wow I have to disagree with hyphea.
Covering the holes on a PF jar will not allow proper GE and will get the to "dry" verm layer wet, thus making it prone to contams. The drying of a pf jar is not that big of a deal, you are going to dunk n roll right. Grain jar need the hole covered to keep moister in, I am not saying keep the foil on though. Also no verm layer in a grain jar.
CH
You've misread totally misread what I've said go back and reread so you have the proper context please. Do you really think I would say to cover holes after inoculating after I've spent the last 6-7 years telling people not to? Now really please a little more credit! TY
FYI I was being critical as in during PCing 
OK good I didn't think I would ever disagree with you, maybe some other TC's but not you. I get it now and fixed your quote. LOL  CH
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Fleadh
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: CH HELL]
#10615076 - 07/03/09 10:14 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok, I see a bit of confsion here down to teh cat that some folk use Jars with Lids and some folk use Jars or similar without lids for their PF cakes..
After PC-ing the topmost layer of Foild is removed leaving the lower layers with inoculation Holes On a jar using the lid with Holes the protctive floil layer is removed and the lid with the holes left in place..
You dont just leave a upen toped jar with teh full layer of verm exposed..or do you, cos That just seems silly if you were to knock it over etc..
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CH HELL
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: Fleadh]
#10615098 - 07/03/09 10:19 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you are using foil as a lid then that is your lid, not your foil layer. You remove the foil that is covering your lid, noone said to remove the lid. CH
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