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CH HELL
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Most common noob mistakes!!!!!!
#10611844 - 07/02/09 08:03 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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#1 Keeping foil on pf jars with a dry verm layer. No need for tape or foil with a dry verm layer. Cover the entire lid with foil to sterilize, when they cool take it off.
#2 Incubating at 86f, growth slows after 85f and room temps are fine.
#3 Not checking the dates on teks. Many are out dated.
#4 Ask for advice but don't follow what is told.
#5 Not following teks, don't change anything until you know what you are doing.
#6 Getting substrates and PF cake too wet, mushrooms are 90% water but myc doesn't colonize wet substrates well.
#7 Not waiting a week after colonization, be patient!
#8 Not using a hygrometer, you need to know the humidity.
#9 Buying Myco kits!
#10 Inoculating jars while they are still warm.
Here's what I feel is the top ten, I will try to add helpful links next to each one later. Good luck to all the noobs and don't make these mistakes. CH
Edited by CH HELL (07/03/09 10:13 AM)
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misfitdeviate

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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: CH HELL]
#10611866 - 07/02/09 08:09 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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hey, i have a question for you. Ive grown before, back when PF was in business, and im new to this dunk and roll tek. Today, I birthed a cake about 2 days after full colonization. I saw one little pin forming so I decided to go ahead and dunk her. Ive read that you shouldnt do it if pins are formed but also that I should wait a week, like you said, after colonization to ensure that its ok to dunk. you think ill be good?
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: misfitdeviate]
#10611891 - 07/02/09 08:15 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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#11 Threadjacking
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: CH HELL]
#10611897 - 07/02/09 08:16 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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#12 confusing casing with bulk sub. or using the two terms interchangeably.
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CH HELL
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: misfitdeviate]
#10611898 - 07/02/09 08:17 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Waiting a week should be the minimum, unless the pin starts to rot. It is fine to dunk and roll even with pins, just be gentle. Most invetro pins will survive a dunk n roll. Be sure to rinse your cake after the dunk, then roll in dry verm and mist. GL, CH
Edited by CH HELL (07/02/09 08:19 PM)
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misfitdeviate

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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: CH HELL]
#10611919 - 07/02/09 08:20 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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thedefone said: #11 Threadjacking
a thread about noob mistakes and someone asking a question to avoid those mistakes.
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CH HELL said: Waiting a week should be the minimum, unless the pin starts to rot. It is fine to dunk and roll even with pins, just be gentle. Most invetro pins will survive a dunk n roll. Be sure to rinse your cake after the dunk, then roll in dry verm and mist. GL, CH
i appreciate the help
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: misfitdeviate]
#10611985 - 07/02/09 08:38 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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#13 posting links to non-vendor sites
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hyphae
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: misfitdeviate]
#10612031 - 07/02/09 08:47 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not shaking the syringe!
Understanding the difference between near saturation and saturation.
Not doing the necessary searches! The thing with searching is on your way to finding your answer you most always find answers to questions you haven't even thought of yet it's a wonderful thing!
Not truly understanding the process before attempting.
Beginners as well as some seasoned pros often overlook certain subtle ulterior benefits of some techniques.
Not rinsing WBS enough before soaking.
Cultivating mushrooms is not all about growing and harvesting mushrooms it is the journey of the experience that truly makes us grow. Look deeper and you will see more!
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE
"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: hyphae]
#10612118 - 07/02/09 09:04 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Cultivating mushrooms is not all about growing and harvesting mushrooms it is the journey of the experience that truly makes us grow. Look deeper and you will see more!
When your right your right
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CH HELL
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: curbstop]
#10612138 - 07/02/09 09:07 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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curbstop said:
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Cultivating mushrooms is not all about growing and harvesting mushrooms it is the journey of the experience that truly makes us grow. Look deeper and you will see more!
When your right your right
Yeap, Shrooms may not be addictive but growing them is.
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freespeech
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: hyphae]
#10612175 - 07/02/09 09:18 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah - incorrect moisture content
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Elderlyone
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: freespeech]
#10612289 - 07/02/09 09:44 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those are helpful tips.
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: curbstop]
#10612478 - 07/02/09 10:24 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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curbstop said: When your right your right
 Just sayin'.
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: Doc_T]
#10613147 - 07/03/09 12:50 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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15 spreading horse shit info to other noobs which in turnends with a hundred noobs asking why they keep contamming.
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: deladude]
#10613695 - 07/03/09 03:16 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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not working up off the floor. The floor is where everything falls. Ya and #5 is a huge 1 for sure.
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: Doc_T]
#10613836 - 07/03/09 04:07 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Doc_T said:
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curbstop said: When your right your right
 Just sayin'.
+1
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: medsn]
#10613883 - 07/03/09 04:22 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Haha I love how number #1 is exactly what I posted last night!
*nooob*
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Fleadh
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: Leadwing]
#10614277 - 07/03/09 06:36 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mixed info on Point 1,
Keeping the Outer Solid layer of foil on PF cakes is bad but this implies you remove all layers of foil, which isnt correct..or is it?
http://www.fungifun.org/English/Pftek says to put the foil back on, I was told to take it off and leave the layers with the holes, Now you're saying to take it off completly...
No wonder folk get confused..
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hyphae
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: Fleadh]
#10614365 - 07/03/09 07:00 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I use one piece of foil and I leave it on loosely after inoculating to write pertinent info on it don't hurt a thing it makes a great dust shield. I don't tape holes either but if you do leave the tape off after inoculating I've seen more jars stall than not when people leave the tape on.
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE
"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: hyphae]
#10614481 - 07/03/09 07:38 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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the dry verm layer is a protective barrier so no foil or tape or anything is necassary
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hyphae
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: hellraizor83]
#10614538 - 07/03/09 08:01 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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hellraizor83 said: the dry verm layer is a protective barrier so no foil or tape or anything is necassary
You need to cover the holes as to not throw off your moisture content. Please do not give advice on subjects your not familiar with thank you.
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE
"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: hyphae]
#10614569 - 07/03/09 08:16 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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hyphae said:
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hellraizor83 said: the dry verm layer is a protective barrier so no foil or tape or anything is necassary
You need to cover the holes as to not throw off your moisture content. Please do not give advice on subjects your not familiar with thank you.
I'm not positive, but I believe he was referring to after steam sterilization has been completed and the jars are left to colonize. Is moisture content an issue at that point?
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hyphae
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: Lostkeys]
#10614587 - 07/03/09 08:23 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lostkeys said:
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hyphae said:
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hellraizor83 said: the dry verm layer is a protective barrier so no foil or tape or anything is necassary
You need to cover the holes as to not throw off your moisture content. Please do not give advice on subjects your not familiar with thank you.
I'm not positive, but I believe he was referring to after steam sterilization has been completed and the jars are left to colonize. Is moisture content an issue at that point?
Never assume! You know what they say right?
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE
"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Lostkeys
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: hyphae]
#10614588 - 07/03/09 08:25 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah... ass u and me... but I'm already an ass so that's par for the course. Just ask one of my ex's.
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Edited by Lostkeys (07/03/09 08:26 AM)
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: Lostkeys]
#10614699 - 07/03/09 08:57 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lostkeys said: Yeah... ass u and me... but I'm already an ass so that's par for the course. Just ask one of my ex's.
hahahaha you and me both
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prismism



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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: Lostkeys]
#10614914 - 07/03/09 09:46 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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i still say jars do not need anything on the lids after inoculation if there is a dry verm layer in place.
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hyphae
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: prismism]
#10614925 - 07/03/09 09:48 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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prismism said: i still say jars do not need anything on the lids after inoculation if there is a dry verm layer in place.
So true but I'll still keep my dust cover to write on it's just convenient for me personally.
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE
"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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CH HELL
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: hyphae]
#10614951 - 07/03/09 09:54 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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hyphae said:
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hellraizor83 said: the dry verm layer is a protective barrier so no foil or tape or anything is necassary
You need to cover the holes as to not throw off your moisture content. Please do not give advice on subjects your not familiar with thank you.
Wow I have to disagree with hyphea.
Covering the holes on a PF jar will not allow proper GE and will get the to "dry" verm layer wet, thus making it prone to contams. The drying of a pf jar is not that big of a deal, you are going to dunk n roll right. Grain jar need the hole covered to keep moister in, I am not saying keep the foil on though. Also no verm layer in a grain jar.
CH
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hyphae
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: CH HELL]
#10614991 - 07/03/09 10:00 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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CH HELL said:
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hyphae said:
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hellraizor83 said: the dry verm layer is a protective barrier so no foil or tape or anything is necassary
You need to cover the holes as to not throw off your moisture content. Please do not give advice on subjects your not familiar with thank you.
Wow I have to disagree with hyphea.
Covering the holes on a PF jar will not allow proper GE and will get the to "dry" verm layer wet, thus making it prone to contams. The drying of a pf jar is not that big of a deal, you are going to dunk n roll right. Grain jar need the hole covered to keep moister in, I am not saying keep the foil on though. Also no verm layer in a grain jar.
CH
You've misread totally misread what I've said go back and reread so you have the proper context please. Do you really think I would say to cover holes after inoculating after I've spent the last 6-7 years telling people not to? Now really please a little more credit! TY
FYI I was being critical as in during PCing
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE
"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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CH HELL
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: Leadwing]
#10614993 - 07/03/09 10:01 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Leadwing said: Haha I love how number #1 is exactly what I posted last night!
*nooob*
Wasn't trying to pick on anyone, you surely are not the only one that has done this. CH
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CH HELL
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: hyphae]
#10615020 - 07/03/09 10:06 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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hyphae said:
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CH HELL said:
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hyphae said:
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hellraizor83 said: the dry verm layer is a protective barrier so no foil or tape or anything is necassary
You need to cover the holes as to not throw off your moisture content while PCing. Please do not give advice on subjects your not familiar with thank you.
Wow I have to disagree with hyphea.
Covering the holes on a PF jar will not allow proper GE and will get the to "dry" verm layer wet, thus making it prone to contams. The drying of a pf jar is not that big of a deal, you are going to dunk n roll right. Grain jar need the hole covered to keep moister in, I am not saying keep the foil on though. Also no verm layer in a grain jar.
CH
You've misread totally misread what I've said go back and reread so you have the proper context please. Do you really think I would say to cover holes after inoculating after I've spent the last 6-7 years telling people not to? Now really please a little more credit! TY
FYI I was being critical as in during PCing 
OK good I didn't think I would ever disagree with you, maybe some other TC's but not you. I get it now and fixed your quote. LOL  CH
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: CH HELL]
#10615076 - 07/03/09 10:14 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok, I see a bit of confsion here down to teh cat that some folk use Jars with Lids and some folk use Jars or similar without lids for their PF cakes..
After PC-ing the topmost layer of Foild is removed leaving the lower layers with inoculation Holes On a jar using the lid with Holes the protctive floil layer is removed and the lid with the holes left in place..
You dont just leave a upen toped jar with teh full layer of verm exposed..or do you, cos That just seems silly if you were to knock it over etc..
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CH HELL
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Re: Most common noob mistakes!!!!!! [Re: Fleadh]
#10615098 - 07/03/09 10:19 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you are using foil as a lid then that is your lid, not your foil layer. You remove the foil that is covering your lid, noone said to remove the lid. CH
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