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Re: Lets Talk about spawned substrates [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #10604618 - 07/01/09 04:17 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

RJ Tubs 202:  Don't know yet. I just got it yesterday and applied it last night. And yes it was a long and tedious process.

Doc_T:  Is that why you snapped at me last night on the other thread? Cause my wording is so horrible? You made me sad. :frown: No biggie, I'm good now, I was just wondering.


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Re: Lets Talk about spawned substrates [Re: feelingfunny]
    #10604650 - 07/01/09 04:22 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

To say you spawned brf cakes to coir is the correct nomenclature.
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Re: Lets Talk about spawned substrates [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #10604693 - 07/01/09 04:28 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you RR. I am still trying to get it all down. But I appreciate all the help.


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Re: Lets Talk about spawned substrates [Re: feelingfunny]
    #10604737 - 07/01/09 04:36 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Doc_T:  Is that why you snapped at me




Didn't mean to be snappish. But yeah, it irks me when people not only don't take the time to find their own answers, but can't even phrase the question sensibly. Read while you wait, including all of this: http://www.shroomery.org/4/Grow-Mushrooms . It's in your interest to be able to ask the questions correctly so you get the answers you want.


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Re: Lets Talk about spawned substrates [Re: Cyber]
    #10604938 - 07/01/09 05:20 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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What I am saying is that straight coir, not coir with coffee, not coir with poo, just coir and water when spawned at 1:2 (1 spawn:2 coir) does not produce as well as fruiting 100% wbs. So if 100% of the nutrition is WBS and it does better than if 1/3 of the mix is wbs and 2/3 of it is coir then coir can not be adding that much nutrition to the mix. It would also lead me to believe that the nutrition is coming from the WBS and the coir is more of a fluffing agent.

When you have done coir grows was it just coir? or did you add stuff like coffee, compost tea, etc that added nutrients to the mix? On top of that what was your output? Did you measure it? Has anyone other than me even done tests and measured the output?

I am open if some one can prove me wrong, That is one reason I posted the outputs and the standards I used. So that others can repeat my tests. It will confirm or deny what I am saying. That is the basis of science.





I use almost exclusively straight coir for cubensis. I've fruited straight WBS before and I have had no where near as much success as I have had spawning it to coir.


From my last tray that was 1.5 inches deep and about 12 inches long and 6 inches wide my yield came out to 2 dried oz on my first flush. Using only a pint and a half of spawn. WBS alone cannot achieve this.


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Re: Lets Talk about spawned substrates [Re: Doc_T]
    #10605690 - 07/01/09 07:52 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Doc_T:  Is that why you snapped at me




Didn't mean to be snappish. But yeah, it irks me when people not only don't take the time to find their own answers, but can't even phrase the question sensibly. Read while you wait, including all of this: http://www.shroomery.org/4/Grow-Mushrooms . It's in your interest to be able to ask the questions correctly so you get the answers you want.




I have been through the threads and faq's and you get so many different variations and answers, and I will say again, this is a suprise for feelfunny and I am determined NOT to fuck it up. I am doing the best I can. You are not required to answer any of my questions, especially if they irk you. I would love your help and input, but not if it bothers you to do so.


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Re: Lets Talk about spawned substrates [Re: feelingfunny]
    #10605743 - 07/01/09 08:02 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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You are not required to answer any of my questions,



And you aren't required to read my snippy answers. :rofl2:

But I'll try to keep them more on point. Ok? :smile:


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Re: Lets Talk about spawned substrates [Re: Doc_T]
    #10605873 - 07/01/09 08:22 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

And I will try to word them better. :wink:


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Re: Lets Talk about spawned substrates [Re: Jitsu]
    #10608931 - 07/02/09 10:19 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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I use almost exclusively straight coir for cubensis. I've fruited straight WBS before and I have had no where near as much success as I have had spawning it to coir.






This is straight coir, no coffee, no coffee grounds, etc?

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From my last tray that was 1.5 inches deep and about 12 inches long and 6 inches wide my yield came out to 2 dried oz on my first flush. Using only a pint and a half of spawn. WBS alone cannot achieve this.




I am finding it hard to believe that you got one and one quarter  pounds of fresh mushrooms from a 12"x6"x1.5" tray on your first flush. You claim is more than twice the output of my findings for WBS, or WBS and COIR on half the substrate depth.

Can you post a pic of that tray?

and Just to toss one of mine up to be fair

20% poo, 30% Verm, 50% coir, 1:2 spawn in a 24"X12"X3" Substrate producing 2.2 wet lbs per square foot.


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Re: Lets Talk about spawned substrates [Re: Cyber]
    #10609247 - 07/02/09 11:32 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

What are those three solid white things?

Are they albino's or is it from the flash?


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Re: Lets Talk about spawned substrates [Re: feelingfunny]
    #10609368 - 07/02/09 11:51 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Honestly, comparing your results to others in the same fashion isn't going to be very accurate.

Too many factors will also affect yields, including relative humidity, air temperature, casing or no casing, casing ingredients, etc. There are just too many factors involved to compare your results with someone elses, simply because its the same substrate recipe & sub size/depth.

It might give a ballpark idea but IMO won't be definitive what so ever.


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Re: Lets Talk about spawned substrates [Re: feelingfunny]
    #10609380 - 07/02/09 11:53 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

The strain mutates some times and sends a stem up from the top of the cap. One cap with two stems.

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Re: Lets Talk about spawned substrates [Re: feelingfunny]
    #10609396 - 07/02/09 11:57 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Once and for all... because I've been wondering...

Does myc eat foil? Will these trays develop little holes?

I was using somthing similar, but I used a liner of 10mil plastic sheeting because I thought I read that the myc would make holes...

Am I crazy?

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Re: Lets Talk about spawned substrates [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #10609423 - 07/02/09 12:01 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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I was using somthing similar, but I used a liner of 10mil plastic sheeting because I thought I read that the myc would make holes..




No you aren't crazy. Yes, eventually there will be pitting and holes in the aluminum.


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Re: Lets Talk about spawned substrates [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #10609460 - 07/02/09 12:10 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Once and for all... because I've been wondering...

Does myc eat foil? Will these trays develop little holes?

I was using somthing similar, but I used a liner of 10mil plastic sheeting because I thought I read that the myc would make holes...

Am I crazy?




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Re: Lets Talk about spawned substrates [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #10609465 - 07/02/09 12:11 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Are you fucking kidding me? Tell me that's a joke.  :omg: How long does it take to start happening?


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Re: Lets Talk about spawned substrates [Re: Psuper]
    #10609469 - 07/02/09 12:11 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

RR sent a mushroom sample to a lab and that showed that the aluminium doesn't show on the fruit bodies.


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Re: Lets Talk about spawned substrates [Re: feelingfunny]
    #10609474 - 07/02/09 12:13 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Are you fucking kidding me? Tell me that's a joke.  :omg: How long does it take to start happening?




I only use plastic trays, so I am not sure how long it takes.  But yes, in the course of a single project the myc will put holes in an aluminum tray. ~Pixie~


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Re: Lets Talk about spawned substrates [Re: AlexP]
    #10609477 - 07/02/09 12:14 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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RR sent a mushroom sample to a lab and that showed that the aluminium doesn't show on the fruit bodies.




Ya I don't think it actually "eats" the aluminum. I think maybe its the metabolites/byproducts of the mycelium that deteriorates the aluminum. It takes multiple uses I believe though, I've never grown in aluminum.

This thread is getting jacked though, lets get it back on topic about substrates.


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Re: Lets Talk about spawned substrates [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #10609487 - 07/02/09 12:16 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

:jacked:


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