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Re: Im getting demoralized.... casing troubles [Re: prismism]
    #10598890 - 06/30/09 04:56 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

FAE? trich?

theres plenty of myc on the top layer its just not doing anything, thats why i figured covering it and letting it recol. would work best

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Re: Im getting demoralized.... casing troubles [Re: surgeongeneral]
    #10599998 - 06/30/09 08:15 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

i found a flaw in my FC, there were some grooves that collected some standing water and the casing was green on the underside in some spots.... the FC has now been emptied and started from scratch with some new remedies for the standing water....the casing im attempting to save, i cut off the top and bottom layers leaving only spungy yet dry myc and am redoing the process... hopefully batch 2 fairs better, thanks everyone for the help... i have part of batch 2 just started in some trays that were layered, should i redo those too since a layered approach is not normally suggested?

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Re: Im getting demoralized.... casing troubles [Re: surgeongeneral]
    #10600025 - 06/30/09 08:19 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

There is nothing wrong with layering the spawn and substrate.  Just don't have any exposed grains/ cake on top of the substrate.  I only ever layer my spawn in my trays. ~Pixie~


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Re: Im getting demoralized.... casing troubles [Re: surgeongeneral]
    #10600166 - 06/30/09 08:46 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

good, i thought for sure i wasted a lot of time reading up on that for nothing....

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Re: Im getting demoralized.... casing troubles [Re: surgeongeneral]
    #10600367 - 06/30/09 09:25 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

layering works but its a lil slower than mixing. 

because when you mix it thoroughly it has more inoculation points to colonize faster and thus a lot less chance of contaming. 

full colonization of myc around the substrate form a wrap so to speak keeping contams out.

if your growing cubes dont bother with a casing layer until after 1st flush and dunk (works well 4 me), or at all, its not needed with cubes unless u have problems with keeping humidity up.

IMO... casing layer = one more step to add contams to your grow.(not needed)


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Re: Im getting demoralized.... casing troubles [Re: 13shrooms]
    #10600408 - 06/30/09 09:32 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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layering works but its a lil slower than mixing. 

because when you mix it thoroughly it has more inoculation points to colonize faster and thus a lot less chance of contaming. 

full colonization of myc around the substrate form a wrap so to speak keeping contams out.

if your growing cubes dont bother with a casing layer until after 1st flush and dunk (works well 4 me), or at all, its not needed with cubes unless u have problems with keeping humidity up.

IMO... casing layer = one more step to add contams to your grow.(not needed)




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Re: Im getting demoralized.... casing troubles [Re: prismism]
    #10600441 - 06/30/09 09:37 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

thanks... ill use that for the next time!

what do you mean by 'cubes'

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Re: Im getting demoralized.... casing troubles [Re: surgeongeneral]
    #10600459 - 06/30/09 09:40 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

psilocybe cubensis mushrooms.


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Re: Im getting demoralized.... casing troubles [Re: surgeongeneral]
    #10600528 - 06/30/09 09:54 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

thats what i thought.... awesome, hopefully ill be posting results soon!!

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Re: Im getting demoralized.... casing troubles [Re: surgeongeneral]
    #10600700 - 06/30/09 10:27 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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uhhhhhh miscom goin on here.... the substrate was 100% colonized in a bag... then crumbled and placed in the tray following a casing 101 thread found on here.... the tray was covered and i posted a thread asking if it was time to put in the FC, the responses were yes, normally when the tray is at 40% its should begin in the FC process but as you can see it was at 80%... I covered it in a thin verm layer like the pinning strategy thread said to do them placed it in the FC. My FC has hole all over the place, just like the shotgun FC, you just cant see that in the pics





Wait I am confused, did you grow spawn and layer it with some sort if bulk substrate?(hpoo/straw etc.) Or did you just crumble you mycelium for it to reheal itself and use jiffy as a casing layer?


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Re: Im getting demoralized.... casing troubles [Re: JewelessCaesar]
    #10602921 - 07/01/09 11:09 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Wait I am confused, did you grow spawn and layer it with some sort if bulk substrate?(hpoo/straw etc.) Or did you just crumble you mycelium for it to reheal itself and use jiffy as a casing layer?




you PC grains in your jars and inoculate with a spore syringe/myc LC/agar wedges (whatever)  when your jars are colonized thats spawn.  you then break it up as small as you can and mix it with your pasteurized bulk substrate and let that colonize to 100% and put the whole colonized sub into fruiting conditions in your trays in a martha or monotub or shotgun FC. 

hope that clears it up for you.


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Re: I'm getting demoralized.... casing troubles [Re: 13shrooms]
    #10603076 - 07/01/09 11:43 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Well thanks but I know what casing to a bulk substrate with spawn is but the OP didn't say he spawned it. I think he just crumbled and cased. That was my question. Whether or not he spawned and cased or simply crumbled and cased.


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Re: I'm getting demoralized.... casing troubles [Re: JewelessCaesar]
    #10603609 - 07/01/09 01:26 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Does the top have to be completely covered in myc to be considered fully colonized? I watched a friend's grow quite closely several months back, and his top substrate layer wasn't fully white with myc -- in fact, it was only like 30-40%.

Yet he still got 4 solid flushes. It took like freaking 2 months to fruit, but it did fruit.

His method was opening up fully colonized mycobags and sandwiching that layer between 50/50 peat moss & verm (with oyster shell & lime).


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Re: I'm getting demoralized.... casing troubles [Re: Nifflerz]
    #10603784 - 07/01/09 02:05 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Does the top have to be completely covered in myc to be considered fully colonized?




when the top is 100% fully colonized is best.

a fully colonized sub when exposed to FAE and stable temps and a light cycle gives the best pin set because the timing in the life cycle is right to fruit once stimulated by fruiting conditions.

just like fully colonized cakes are ready to birth 1 week after they look fully colonized.  the myc is still digesting nutes from the sub if its still colonizing therefor not ready to fruit thus taking a long time to get mushies.


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Re: I'm getting demoralized.... casing troubles [Re: JewelessCaesar]
    #10603792 - 07/01/09 02:07 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Well thanks but I know what casing to a bulk substrate with spawn is but the OP didn't say he spawned it. I think he just crumbled and cased. That was my question. Whether or not he spawned and cased or simply crumbled and cased.





srry thought it said "do you" not "did you".  my bad:shrug:


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Re: I'm getting demoralized.... casing troubles [Re: 13shrooms]
    #10603849 - 07/01/09 02:17 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Does the top have to be completely covered in myc to be considered fully colonized?




when the top is 100% fully colonized is best.

a fully colonized sub when exposed to FAE and stable temps and a light cycle gives the best pin set because the timing in the life cycle is right to fruit once stimulated by fruiting conditions.

just like fully colonized cakes are ready to birth 1 week after they look fully colonized.  the myc is still digesting nutes from the sub if its still colonizing therefor not ready to fruit thus taking a long time to get mushies.




I guess that explains why it took him 8 weeks after FC'ing it to fruit shrooms. He was literally days away from trashing everything and then they finally started fruiting. The one thing he did though throughout the 2 months was faithfully mist & FAE twice a day, even when things looked real bleak.


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Re: I'm getting demoralized.... casing troubles [Re: 13shrooms]
    #10605175 - 07/01/09 05:55 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

All good my friend! :peace:


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