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Is society creating the same disorders that plague it?
#10582355 - 06/27/09 05:15 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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150 years ago:
How many people had obsessive compulsive disorder? Does society make us become obsessed with materialistic values and its demand for complete "order" (which is basically nature disorder).
How many people had anxiety disorders? Are the businesses and demand for "get a good job, get a lot of money, get good grades, etc. etc." making us anxious?
How many people were paranoid? There are a lot more cops now, and who knows what goes on underneath it all? Plus, how many people watch the news? It's virtually ALL negative (or nonsense).
How many people were depressed? There was no constant demand to look beautiful all the time.
How many people were crazy? The more you think about it, the more crazy the world is. Maybe people who have intelligence and think to much are not crazy, they just realize the world is (but you have to not take that too seriously).
etc. etc. help me come up with some. I realized this shit isn't "genetic", we're just picking up bad vibes from the government and society, but stuck in this supposed "rational" world that makes people think that they, rather than society is the problem.
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Re: Is society creating the same disorders that plague it? [Re: stereolab]
#10582808 - 06/27/09 06:50 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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nothing to add.
I think genetics are often involved with specific mental illness (manic depression, bipolar, skitz, etc.)
However, the vague mental dysfunctions you listed, i agree, are more often than not, a consequence of life in a frantic society with misplaced ideals.
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people think that they, rather than society is the problem.
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Re: Is society creating the same disorders that plague it? [Re: PDU]
#10586829 - 06/28/09 02:54 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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PDU said: I think genetics are often involved with specific mental illness (manic depression, bipolar, skitz, etc.)
I have a theory that Bipolar and Hypomanics(bipolar2?) are simply heart-chakra dominated, hence the huge range of emotions. Just some thought-food.
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Re: Is society creating the same disorders that plague it? [Re: leftfoot]
#10587057 - 06/28/09 03:40 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Alot of it has to do with peoples attitude nowadays and the rampant abuse of cooked/processed foods imo
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Re: Is society creating the same disorders that plague it? [Re: stereolab]
#10588799 - 06/28/09 09:12 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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stereolab said: 150 years ago:
How many people had obsessive compulsive disorder? Does society make us become obsessed with materialistic values and its demand for complete "order" (which is basically nature disorder).
How many people had anxiety disorders? Are the businesses and demand for "get a good job, get a lot of money, get good grades, etc. etc." making us anxious?
How many people were paranoid? There are a lot more cops now, and who knows what goes on underneath it all? Plus, how many people watch the news? It's virtually ALL negative (or nonsense).
How many people were depressed? There was no constant demand to look beautiful all the time.
How many people were crazy? The more you think about it, the more crazy the world is. Maybe people who have intelligence and think to much are not crazy, they just realize the world is (but you have to not take that too seriously).
etc. etc. help me come up with some. I realized this shit isn't "genetic", we're just picking up bad vibes from the government and society, but stuck in this supposed "rational" world that makes people think that they, rather than society is the problem.
Well I think you might have something with OCD, there a few notable mental disorders which have gained prominence in the last 200 years. Psychopathology, and Sociopathology have been on the rise since science has been able to recognize them. But things like schizophrenia, depression, paranoia and anxiety disorder are well documented throughout history.
There are many references to various psychoses and mental disorders throughout literature both ancient and classical. I would venture to say that mental disorder is both caused by genetics and the environment; meaning that a certain person is predisposed to behave a certain way via their genetics, but is trained to behave a certain way via society. When both of these reinforce each other in a negative way, you get a negative response.
Just a thought.
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Re: Is society creating the same disorders that plague it? [Re: stereolab]
#10589111 - 06/28/09 10:06 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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There were just as many if not many more mental disorders in the past. Its just in the past they were basically shunned from society; locked in asylums, 'witches' burned at the stake, thought to be possessed, told to pray more etc etc.
Now adays we acknowledge mental disorders and treat them better than we used to. Especially since there is huge $$$ in it . Exorcisms or bleeding people was a common treatment, if you weren't outright killed or locked away.
Another thing to note is insurance only covers 'mental disorders' if they are diagnosed. That is why psychiatrists/psychologists throw a bunch of names around so you are 'diagnosed' and your insurance can start paying for meds/therapy. Consequentially, countries with government health care have notably lower numbers of reported mental illness.
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Re: Is society creating the same disorders that plague it? [Re: Sunny]
#10589119 - 06/28/09 10:07 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, and in ages past, the mentally ill were shipped to huge "hospitals" (I use quotations because they were actually just human warehouses), where they would be forgotten by society and often treated poorly.
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Re: Is society creating the same disorders that plague it? [Re: Andre Nickatina]
#10589250 - 06/28/09 10:23 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Andre Nickatina said: Alot of it has to do with peoples attitude nowadays and the rampant abuse of cooked/processed foods imo
After all it's not like anyone cooked their food in the mid 1800's.
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Edited by Heffy (06/28/09 10:24 PM)
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Re: Is society creating the same disorders that plague it? [Re: Heffy]
#10591689 - 06/29/09 10:36 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Heffy said:
After all it's not like anyone cooked their food in the mid 1800's.
Whoever said anything about mid 1800's?? Not as many people cooked there food thats for sure but there were def crazy people in the 1800's (go read a book about the wild west heh). If u can't see the correlation between proccesed/cooked food and mental health issues your blind. Also those witch's they burned weren't crazy its cus the christian church were fucking pyschos and didn't like women, philosphers, esoterics etc. if you fell into any of these categorys you were burned at the stake, it was a pretty horrific time
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Re: Is society creating the same disorders that plague it? [Re: Andre Nickatina]
#10592323 - 06/29/09 12:59 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Andre Nickatina said:
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Heffy said:
After all it's not like anyone cooked their food in the mid 1800's.
Whoever said anything about mid 1800's?? Not as many people cooked there food thats for sure but there were def crazy people in the 1800's (go read a book about the wild west heh). If u can't see the correlation between proccesed/cooked food and mental health issues your blind. Also those witch's they burned weren't crazy its cus the christian church were fucking pyschos and didn't like women, philosphers, esoterics etc. if you fell into any of these categorys you were burned at the stake, it was a pretty horrific time
People have been cooking their food since the stone age. Humans can't digest uncooked red meat, uncooked poultry is a cause of sometimes fatal food poisioning (this has been known since the stone age as well), and uncooked pork is known to contain parasites, which is why the jews don't eat pork.
So, to be honest with you, yeah, there is probably only a minor correlation between processed foods and mental health. There are notable cases in literature of Lead and Mercury poisioning, as a result of the early canning process. It should also be noted that Radium was a common ingredient in "health" elixirs of the 1800s.
As for modern food processing, processed foods such as those from McDonalds or any other fast food joint, are known to have adverse effects on physical health. If you eat tons of canned food (which is loaded with salt and extra fat as a preservative), you can expect to be unhealthy.
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Re: Is society creating the same disorders that plague it? [Re: stereolab]
#10592807 - 06/29/09 02:41 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Humans are very social animals and I think the extremely high value we've come to place on status and esteem do indeed cause a lot of devastating problems for individuals. But I think the causes for these problems are very very old, as old as socialization itself, and have not just become prevalent recently.
People will go to incredible lengths just avoid looking stupid for a few moments. It's really ridiculous how terrifying it can be to be rejected socially, even for a person with average confidence and self-esteem.
Some recommend looking foolish on purpose to kill the irrational fears we have of certain social consequences. For example, author Tim Ferriss recommends this interesting exercise:
…simply lie down in the middle of a crowded public place. Lunchtime is ideal. It can be a well-trafficked sidewalk, the middle of a popular Starbucks, or a popular bar. There is no real technique involved. Just lie down and remain silent on the ground for about ten seconds, and then get up and continue on with whatever you were doing before.
There is no genuine danger in doing that, but how many ordinary people actually could bring themselves to do it?
So yeah, I think human beings have evolved to be very dependent on the approval of the people around them, and now we're stuck with certain intense fears as a result.
But I don't think it makes sense to hold society responsible for the problems it has caused individuals, it is up to each of us to deal with the fears and obsessions we find in ourselves.
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Edited by WhiskeyClone (06/29/09 02:49 PM)
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Re: Is society creating the same disorders that plague it? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#10595411 - 06/29/09 11:54 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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WhiskeyClone said: �simply lie down in the middle of a crowded public place. Lunchtime is ideal. It can be a well-trafficked sidewalk, the middle of a popular Starbucks, or a popular bar. There is no real technique involved. Just lie down and remain silent on the ground for about ten seconds, and then get up and continue on with whatever you were doing before.
I've totally done things like this lots. Reading your post i thought about how i am not afraid at all of other peoples perceptions most of the time.
Interesting, your post was like a view into a part of my psychology.
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Re: Is society creating the same disorders that plague it? [Re: stereolab]
#10596485 - 06/30/09 07:22 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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One idea to consider is that these psychological disorders are not on the rise. The invention of the diagnosis and subsequent recognition of the illness would make it seem to be on the rise. Another thing to contribute to the rise would be changes in diagnosis, for example autism, which makes it appear to be on the rise, but it's only a refinement and loosening of the diagnosis.
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